Confirmed Signing with Link: [EDM] Darnell Nurse signs extension with the Oilers (8 years, $9.25M AAV) PART II

[BigDaddyLurch]

Nurse had 33 points last season. 41 points before that. 26 points before that. This wasn't his career year points wise

...you'll have to reread my post and note that I said McJesus had the "career year", not Nurse...took quick on the draw, there amigo...

Hamilton is f***ing overrated. He played with very good Dmen around him. Nurse has been a #1 Dman on a team with crap Dmen. Nurse had Barrie as a dman last season

...Hamilton has been an offensive force on every team he has played on at the NHL level, much more than Nurse has...and if your reply is about defensive effectiveness, don't bother; they are BOTH weak defensively, although at least Nurse hits and can be effective at clearing the crease...

Those are all pretty fair contract prices though …. Term is the only issue for all of them

...Trouba is NOT worth $8 mill nor is Myers worth $6 mill, imo...both ridiculously overpaid...

 

[JustAnotherHockeyFan]

Nah, you explain that he doesn't prevent goals at a high enough pace to get 9.25.

overpaying players prevents you from getting a deep team, too.

How are you going to explain to Nurse he needs to play 45 minutes a night for his 8 year contract unless the cap starts to take some significant jumps

Ok, so after you make your very good point he leaves and signs somewhere else (for 8 million if not more depending on how his season goes). Where does that leave Edmonton? Who takes his not-high-enough goal prevention pace that still almost singlehandedly kept Edmonton defensively manageable and more or less functional? Name names please.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Ok, so after you make your very good point he leaves and signs somewhere else (for 8 million if not more depending on how his season goes). Where does that leave Edmonton? Who takes his not-high-enough goal prevention pace that still almost singlehandedly kept Edmonton defensively manageable and more or less functional? Name names please.

...keeping Larsson should have been Priority #1 for Holland...

 

[Chuck Norris Trophy]

It's a good time to be a defenceman, sick contracts all around.

 

[JustAnotherHockeyFan]

...keeping Larsson should have been Priority #1 for Holland...

He decided to leave for the same money. I guess they could have offered him 5-6 million but that's a huge overpayment for a much more middling player. He's not that good defensively and his back looks like it can give out at any moment.

Better to overpay a mil and a half for a younger 7.5 million dollar player than an older more broken down 3.5 million dollar player.

 

[iCanada]

Low key this has Skinner vibes to It. I was ecstatic when we signed Skinner long term and he was coming off a career year… but then I saw the AAV and term and thought It was like 25% too much. Now here we are. Good luck EDM fans I hope he keeps up his high level of play for most of the deal

Eh, I don't really think that's a fair comparison.

One guy was coming from a team that he was set up for success and moving to a team where he was not. The other guy is on the same team he was on before and will likely have more run support next season and not less.

One guy was a small physically unathletic guy that wasn't really a big fan of the gym who was starting to get to an age where you lose a bit of footspeed. The other guy is unquestionably one of the most elite physical specimens in the league and addicted to the gym; regardless of what you think about Nurse, the way he moves for a guy who is 6'4 230 lbs is absolutely ridiculous.

One guy had no consistent career trend and prior to the year before had largely peaked as a rookie eating soft minutes. The other guy has over a decade of consistent year over year improvement in performance, ice time, and responsibility.

One guy was considered kind of a lazy bum with a ton of talent since being drafted into the OHL. The other guy has been consistently lauded as the hardest working guy on the ice by everyone he's ever played with or against.

Say what you will about the contract, but comparing Nurse at this stage of the game to Skinner is a laughably atrocious take that shows you don't really have a clue about the player. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a risky deal for the Oilers, Nurse only has 1 year of playing like a legitimate number 1 defenceman. But the worst case risk isn't maybe you're paying a guy elite money when he's not good enough to even play in the league high, its maybe you're paying a guy elite money when he's only a very good number 2nd pair anchor high.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

He decided to leave for the same money. I guess they could have offered him 5-6 million but that's a huge overpayment for a much more middling player. He's not that good defensively and his back looks like it can give out at any moment.

Better to overpay a mil and a half for a younger 7.5 million dollar player than an older more broken down 3.5 million dollar player.

...or they could stop signing all-offense, horrid defense guys like Barrie & Ceci and actually spend some cash on good DEFENSIVE defensemen to supplement the offensive ones, like Nurse, that they already had...

 

[Ducks in a row]

It is just a crazy contract

 

[Djp]

EDM GM saw what Bowman did in signing Jones to an extension…hus reaction..” hold my beer”

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Holland just invested 14.5M of his cap space on Duncan Keith and Nurse.

In the usual NHL environment, this would be bad. But with COVID and the cap almost frozen, this is insane.

 

[bleuetbio]

Then, I can believe in Santa

 

[iCanada]

...or they could stop signing all-offense, horrid defense guys like Barrie & Ceci and actually spend some cash on good DEFENSIVE defensemen to supplement the offensive ones, like Nurse, that they already had...

Strange how when Larsson was an oiler he was not a good defensive defenseman, he was a bum, but now that he's on Seattle he's unquestionably a good defensive defenceman.

 

[Chet Manley]

As an Oilers fan this stings a bit. He was a bright spot on an otherwise shit top 4 D, but I'm not sold that he does that on a team with a good top pairing. IMO he got paid on circumstance more than ability.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Strange how when Larsson was an oiler he was not a good defensive defenseman, he was a bum, but now that he's on Seattle he's unquestionably a good defensive defenceman.

...who said he wasn't a good defensive defenseman??...

 

[Leafs87]

This contract only makes sense in an offseason that makes absolutely no sense

 

[iCanada]

...who said he wasn't a good defensive defenseman??...

Lots of people. Common points were that he had low xGF vs xGA, was slow, and regressing quite hard. I've personally argued against all of them numerous times in the last 2 to 3 years.

All of those talking points seemingly disappeared into the wind the moment he was picked by Seattle. Now he only taking points at how foolish the Oilers were to not do whatever it took to sign him.

Ironically, the Oilers doing whatever it took to sign Nurse, a better defensive defenseman than Larsson in most situations who plays more minutes, is suddenly just as if not more foolish.

 

[McJC]

Leafs have 40m committed to 4 forwards
Oilers have 41m committed to 4 forwards + their top defenseman.
Obviously the Leafs arent the bar since they havent won anything but the Oilers arent in a bad spot

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Lots of people. Common points were that he had low xGF vs xGA, was slow, and regressing quite hard. I've personally argued against all of them numerous times in the last 2 to 3 years.

All of those talking points seemingly disappeared into the wind the moment he was picked by Seattle. Now he only taking points at how foolish the Oilers were to not do whatever it took to sign him.

Ironically, the Oilers doing whatever it took to sign Nurse, a better defensive defenseman than Larsson in most situations who plays more minutes, is suddenly just as if not more foolish.

...I wholeheartedly disagree with Nurse being better in the defensive zone than Larsson...

 

[Larry Hanson]

He decided to leave for the same money. I guess they could have offered him 5-6 million but that's a huge overpayment for a much more middling player.

Or they could have extended him last year and protected him in the expansion draft, but I suppose Keith was a bigger priority.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Leafs have 40m committed to 4 forwards
Oilers have 41m committed to 4 forwards + their top defenseman.
Obviously the Leafs arent the bar since they havent won anything but the Oilers arent in a bad spot

...and yet between the two, they've won ONE Playoff round since the 2007 season...not a good spot either...

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Holland has officially lost his mind.

 

[Three On Zero]

He decided to leave for the same money. I guess they could have offered him 5-6 million but that's a huge overpayment for a much more middling player. He's not that good defensively and his back looks like it can give out at any moment.

Better to overpay a mil and a half for a younger 7.5 million dollar player than an older more broken down 3.5 million dollar player.

Holland made Larsson decide to leave when he made Keith a bigger priority than him.

 

[Platano King]

So uhh.... Nurse is a good player and all.... but did the flat cap get increased and I didn't hear about it or something?

 

[JustAnotherHockeyFan]

Holland made Larsson decide to leave when he made Keith a bigger priority than him.

He was offering Larsson the same amount either way. Why would Larsson want to leave after he got help on defense? Does he want the team to be worse

 

[The Blunder Years]

Eh, I don't really think that's a fair comparison.

One guy was coming from a team that he was set up for success and moving to a team where he was not. The other guy is on the same team he was on before and will likely have more run support next season and not less.

One guy was a small physically unathletic guy that wasn't really a big fan of the gym who was starting to get to an age where you lose a bit of footspeed. The other guy is unquestionably one of the most elite physical specimens in the league and addicted to the gym; regardless of what you think about Nurse, the way he moves for a guy who is 6'4 230 lbs is absolutely ridiculous.

One guy had no consistent career trend and prior to the year before had largely peaked as a rookie eating soft minutes. The other guy has over a decade of consistent year over year improvement in performance, ice time, and responsibility.

One guy was considered kind of a lazy bum with a ton of talent since being drafted into the OHL. The other guy has been consistently lauded as the hardest working guy on the ice by everyone he's ever played with or against.

Say what you will about the contract, but comparing Nurse at this stage of the game to Skinner is a laughably atrocious take that shows you don't really have a clue about the player. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a risky deal for the Oilers, Nurse only has 1 year of playing like a legitimate number 1 defenceman. But the worst case risk isn't maybe you're paying a guy elite money when he's not good enough to even play in the league high, its maybe you're paying a guy elite money when he's only a very good number 2nd pair anchor high.

Woah… did Skinner steal your wife?

Nurse is a good player ATM but 9.25 for 8 years is a big price tag. Let’s revisit this in 3 years.

Also fwiw, you missed the point of my comment. It wasn’t a comparison but rather just saying that both contracts felt like overpays from the start.