Proposal: Edler to Ottawa
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hockeykicker
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well he hasant played a full season during that time so thats kind of a reason why it hasant happened.
FOurteenS inCisOr
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...the point being he's a FAR better defenseman than when he put up 40+ points.
He's effective in all three zones now, and still produces similarly at ES.
PG Canuck
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The Benning crap is getting old but he keeps destroying my team so dont get mad at me get mad at Benning for this stupid trades hes keeps doing
You're adding nothing to the discussion with your constant "Benning will Benning" crap. And I hate Benning.
Nac Mac Feegle
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No, he isn't.
We have no need for Elder. And we certainly aren't giving up a first rounder, or White, or Chabot for him.
Elder has been mediocre and injury prone for a few years now. If you want good pieces for him, ask a different team.
Care to explain why? Just saying no he isn't is not an argument. I'll counter by saying yes he is, and by far. Seeing as you can't even spell his name right, doesn't bode well for your argument either.
What you would want to give up for him is a completely different story. I wouldn't give up White for him. Chabot is not a blue chipper in my eyes and should be fair game. But that is just my opinion, allbeit one from someone who watches Edler play.
The point of this thread is to find fair value.
That said. I think part of the reason why an Edler/Ottawa proposal is being made by a Vancouver fan is a recent article suggesting Edler was asking to waive his NTC and he picked 2 teams. I could see him waiving to Ottawa to play with Karlsson however I seem to remember it being assumed that both teams he would consider waiving to are in the West, so meh...
Nac Mac Feegle
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He has been mediocre for the better part of 4 seasons now. That isn't an aberration, it's a trend. And picking on spelling...yeah, when Edler and Elder are virtual locks as autocorrects? That's the best dig you have?
And sorry bud, but Chabot is not on the table. Kid is trending nicely to be a 2nd pair guy, with 1st pairing upside int eh NHL. That is not a commodity you give up for a guy who is past his peak.
Besides, we have Phaneuf, which serves our needs, which is for a calming veteran presence for our young D corps. Edler does not provide the kind of presence we need.
No need for Ottawa to jump for a guy that Canucks fans have been trying to sell for a good 4 years now. Most Sens fans simply do not want what you're selling, at any price.
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he hasnt even put up a 0.5 ppg pace since then, so he would unlikely have hit 40 even if he played 80 games every year.
the last 3 years he would have needed 18 pts in 19 games, 9 points in 8 games, and 20 pts in 30 games..
not happening
Asquaredx2
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Chabot, White and Brown are not in the table. I think the Sens have positioned themselves well to have 3 first round picks be able to step into the team relatively quickly after expansion. In the meantime, EK, Phaneuf, Methot and Ceci comprise the best top 4 we've had in years (on paper anyway). I'm not sure where the narrative is coming from that Edler is some kind of wonder partner for Karlsson. EK is pretty darn good with just about any competent defenceman alongside him.
What we do need to upgrade is the #5 position with a veteran LD who can push Boro to the #7 spot. Technically acquiring Edler would do this if we played him or Methot on the third pairing. But that's not a hole that needs filling so desperately that we'd give up bluechip assets.
What we do need to upgrade is the #5 position with a veteran LD who can push Boro to the #7 spot. Technically acquiring Edler would do this if we played him or Methot on the third pairing. But that's not a hole that needs filling so desperately that we'd give up bluechip assets.
turkulad
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This accomplishes nothing. Ottawa is fine now with their Top4. Add in the salary factors and the upcoming expansion draft and there's just no way they add an Edler. Let alone for the prize Vancouver would ask for him.
Xspyrit
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It would work out... but not for the Sens.
They won't give up a blue chip prospect AND a 1st, which are always very valuable for Ottawa since they rely so much on the draft to build.
They gave up a great 3rd liner (Silfverberg), a decent prospect struggling with injuries (Noesen) and a 1st in a weak draft (that was higher than expected, 10th OA), for Bobby Ryan... They are not going to give 2 better pieces for Alex Edler.
If the Sens were to trade their first, then 1st + Matt Puempel + Mark Borowiecki would be the best offer so you probably wouldn't be interested in that package and Ottawa wouldn't do it because of not much salary going out
Watching him play and looking at advanced stats, this doesn't seem reasonable. I love Edler mostly because of my swedish bias, but I feel this would only come from Canucks fans.
On HF D-men ranking polls, Edler just got voted #50 while Phaneuf was voted #52. That doesn't sound "large upgrade"
What do you think of?
Edler for 2017 1st + Matt Puempel + Mark Borowiecki
Edler + Burrows for Phaneuf + Puempel + Claesson + 5th round pick
FOurteenS inCisOr
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This is ridiculous.
The last two seasons have been the best of his career in terms of personal play.
People need to stop looking at points as a measure of a good DEFENSEman.
Edler isn't an offensive D, he's a three zone D, who still paces 30+ points a season.
Please keep Homophobic Sluroof. He is garbage. Horrible defender reminiscent of a declining bieksa with a better point shot
aragorn
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Edler is too soft for my likely, I would prefer that Ottawa make deals for tougher players who are hard to play against. I would have taken Bieska over Edler. Ottawa is already an easy team to play against & need to get tougher & meaner, not softer.
Edler is very badly overated by Canuck fans.
I watch him every game since he started.
Always plays scared, he's huge guy but disappears in physical games.
Surprises me with the occasional big hit but then hides the rest of the game, fcking embarrasing.
Constant defensive errors, really pathetic, give away after give away.
No offense sometimes seems to struggle just passing the puck.
Totally not suitable for a top pairing.
When Canucks defense was a little deeper he didn't look so bad but now that more is expected he has been a huge flop.
When you have a player like this on your top pair you can expect to finish in the bottom 3, no surprise there.
If Phaneuf and a 1st was available for him i would jump on it, but i don't think any team is that stupid, Chiarrelli maybe or Benning but unfortunately the Canucks can't take advantage of Benning;s stupidity.
Just for the record i have been a Canuck fan for over 40 yrs.
and even though we have had consistent bad management i have never seen a mess like this.
Edler is just part of the problem.
He doesn't produce anything at even strength these days and the only reason his defensive stats look good is because of Tanev.
PoutineSp00nZ
Electricity is really just organized lightning.
Same way Canucks fans should look at Phaneuf. Guy isn't over the hill and garbage, he's still a very solid defender and slots perfectly in Ottawa's top 4 behind Karlsson. Yeah the contract sucks, but they gave up big dollars in the trade as well, so it balanced out.
Sens have no reason to give up some of the better prospects for what would be a lateral to slight upgrade move on defense.
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skyo
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Yup, well said PG.
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Well congrats OP you got two fan bases who adamantly don't want either player for their team.
Sens don't need Edler.
Canucks don't want Phaneuf.
nuckfan insk
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Except for the fact that he had 1 bad year and that's it, it was also the torts year where everything was bad. The last time that Phaneuf was better then edler, the oilers had pronger
Fast forward 12 Months ... let's imagine Ottawa loses Methot in the expansion draft .... and they will likely have Chabot in the NHL but don't want to rush him into the top 4.
I could see an Edler to Ottawa trade proposal making sense after that. They would likely have cap space from losing Methot and assets from which they could build a package (bottom 6 forwards, forward prospects, picks)
I could see an Edler to Ottawa trade proposal making sense after that. They would likely have cap space from losing Methot and assets from which they could build a package (bottom 6 forwards, forward prospects, picks)
