ECSF: Toronto Maple Leafs (A2) vs. Florida Panthers (WC2) ( Florida Leads 3-1 )

[Rob Brown]

Is he for sure getting the start again tomorrow?

I'd imagine so.

 

[AcerComputer]

Yes he did smash Reilly as time was expiring..... a perfectly normal thing to do in a playoff series that will continue for at least another game

Actually it's a big no no to do this stuff at the end of the game, the League has memo to that affect and has said they will crackdown on players if they do this. It's to prevent a loophole to take a penalty at the end of the game with no in game consequences. But this particular scum was nothing really. Just FLA gooning up in defeat.

 

[Ratsreign]

legal but stupid... the game was already over when montour hit rielly, the only thing that hit could bring is an injury, the only one... so yes it whats creating everyrhing happening after

Montour took a free shot for no reason and leafs player just tried to protect their teammate... end of the story

Well, there’s going to be another game. You play until the final horn goes.

 

[Rob Brown]

Well, there’s going to be another game. You play until the final horn goes.

For sure, I have no problem with the hit really, just Montour and Bennett being scumbags after.

 

[Ratsreign]

Actually it's a big no no to do this stuff at the end of the game, the League has memo to that affect and has said they will crackdown on players if they do this. It's to prevent a loophole to take a penalty at the end of the game with no in game consequences. But this particular scum was nothing really. Just FLA gooning up in defeat.

It’s a big no no to throw a body check before the clock expires?

 

[AcerComputer]

Gotta love this site. Leafs got lucky to win a game. I swear if they come back and win a cup that will be the narrative this was the luckiest cup of all time lol

At least it wouldn't be a covid cup.

 

[Ratsreign]

For sure, I have no problem with the hit really, just Montour and Bennett being scumbags after.

Playoffs, no big deal. Marner was laughing, while some Leafs fans are all up in arms

 

[Rob Brown]

Playoffs, no big deal. Marner was laughing, while Leafs are all up in arms

I guess I think punching someone lying on the ice defenceless in the face multiple times while he also has two guys on top of him is somewhat of an issue, but hey.

Like I said, no issue with the initial hit, no issue with rough stuff, but that to me was just Bennett taking advantage of the situation and crossing a bit of a line. I'm sure if it was Forsling getting punched in the face like that you'd have a slight issue with it.

 

[barkovcanfinnish]

Gotta love this site. Leafs got lucky to win a game. I swear if they come back and win a cup that will be the narrative this was the luckiest cup of all time lol

If they come back and win the cup it’ll be more than luck

It’ll be luck and rigging

 

[authentic]

Because there was nothing wrong with Gudas’ hit. The whistle was a split second before the hit.

That guy who took Samsonov out should be suspended!!

Never said they took Samsonov out. That Gudas hit was clear intent to injure without a doubt

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Thought Florida missed a golden opportunity to end the series last night. Sure it was ill timed luck, that a puck ricocheted off the ref directly to Nylander that ended up being the difference in a one goal game. But I thought the Leafs could have been had last night. For an elimination game, Leafs did not exactly look desperate, infact both teams didn't look too desperate. Sets up an interesting Game 5. Only one game has been won on home ice this series. Will be interesting seeing if that trend continues.

 

[Gallagbi]

Because there was nothing wrong with Gudas’ hit. The whistle was a split second before the hit.

Its a late hit thats not clean in the first place. It's boarding and you could argue charging.

 

[Just Rude]

Samsonov was included along with Knies on the “injuries suffered at the hands of the dirty Panthers list” though.
are you a mind reader? How do you know Gudas’ intent?

Gee, taking eight or nine strides from just inside the blueline with his eyes on no one but Kampf before absolutely blowing him up.

Only a f***ing idiot doesn't know what his intent was.

 

[Ratsreign]

Its a late hit thats not clean in the first place. It's boarding and you could argue charging.

It’s not late, that’s for certain, it was at the whistle (which Gudas didn’t know was coming). I think he glided in to the hit. Seen guys come from much further a way to deliver a hit before with no call resulting. Idk, I guess the ref looking right at it didn’t see boarding, either. Like many calls, people will see it differently

 

[Ratsreign]

Gee, taking eight or nine strides from just inside the blueline with his eyes on no one but Kampf before absolutely blowing him up.

Only a f***ing idiot doesn't know what his intent was.

His only obvious intent was to deliver a solid body check. Other than that, you’re assuming

 

[thusk]

Trying to put on a show for the fans last night. We’ve seen that so many times from this team when they get on a roll, the roll ends when they try to get too cute. They passed up soooo many chances to put a shot on goal, instead trying for the highlight play. They also seemed to have pucks bouncing off their sticks all night. Many promising looking possessions fizzled with a puck bouncing off the receiver’s stick,

The question is

It is florida who played their worst game
Or
Just leafs who played at the level of competitiveness they should had been playing for 60 min since game 1?

Seen nylander goes in corner and created contact for 1st time of playoff,

Seing marner won physical 1v1 battle, a thing he didn't see at all this serie

Seen kerfoot gave up everything he had to came back and recover a 2v1 leafs allowed, a thing we didn't see a lot first 3 game

Leafs always had someone in shooting lane or passing lane all gane long...its the main difference

At the end, i dont think florida had been worst but just leafs who raised their intensity and removing all the space to florida on the ice...

 

[AvroArrow]

Wonder if Bennett will be suspended for his antics after the game was over last night. Fighting a guy and throwing several punches with his gloves still on at a downed opponent after the game is over.




46.22 Fines and Suspensions – Instigator in Final Five Minutes of Regulation Time (or Anytime in Overtime) - A player who is deemed to be the instigator of an altercation in the final five (5) minutes of regulation time or at anytime in overtime (see 46.12), shall be suspended for one game, pending a review of the incident.

When the one-game suspension is imposed, the Coach shall be fined $10,000 – a fine that will double for each subsequent incident.

The suspension shall be served unless, upon review of the incident, the Director of Hockey Operations, at his discretion, deems the incident is not related to the score, previous incidents in the game or prior games, retaliatory in nature, “message sending”, etc. The length of suspension will double for each subsequent offense. This suspension shall be served in addition to any other automatic suspensions a player may incur for an accumulation of three or more instigator penalties.

No team appeals will be permitted either verbally or in writing regarding the assessment of this automatic suspension as all incidents are reviewed by the Director of Hockey Operations as outlined above.






As per the official NHL rules this is quite clearly related to previous incidents in the game and retaliatory in nature and message sending. You can even argue that it is Montour who is the instigator of the altercation here. But Bennett throwing punches repeatedly after the game is surely a violation of this rule ?

Lomberg was suspended last year for instigating a fight in the final 5 minutes of the game vs Tampa.

Lomberg suspended one game for instigating in Panthers game | NHL.com

Forward banned for actions against Lightning

www.nhl.com

Hopefully the department of player safety actually takes action for player safety, or we can see some serious injuries in game 5. This has Kadri vs Debrusk vibes all over it, guy runs wild repeatedly, countless dirty plays and hits, league does nothing, player eventually takes matters into his own hands and delivers a filthy hit injuring the player. If there is any sort of retaliation that results in significant injury it will be 100% on the leagues inability to do their job and DOPS in particular.

 

[Ratsreign]

The question is

It is florida who played their worst game
Or
Just leafs who played at the level of competitiveness they should had been playing for 60 min since game 1?

Seen nylander goes in corner and created contact for 1st time of playoff,

Seing marner won physical 1v1 battle, a thing he didn't see at all this serie

Seen kerfoot gave up everything he had to came back and recover a 2v1 leafs allowed, a thing we didn't see a lot first 3 game

Leafs always had someone in shooting lane or passing lane all gane long...its the main difference

At the end, i dont think florida had been worst but just leafs who raised their intensity and removing all the space to florida on the ice...

Leafs certainly played a strong game. Their confidence grew as the game went along. Panthers better have an answer for it in next game.

 

[Gallagbi]

It’s not late, that’s for certain, it was at the whistle (which Gudas didn’t know was coming). I think he glided in to the hit. Seen guys come from much further a way to deliver a hit before with no call resulting. Idk, I guess the ref looking right at it didn’t see boarding, either. Like many calls, people will see it differently

Officials blow calls, it happens all the time, like it happened here. Oh well.

 

[zeroG]

It's a lot more than 2% because it's now a 3-1 series lead, and not 3-0. Even though the Leafs had to win 4 in a row, whether they won that game in Game 1 or Game 4 makes no difference.

The pressure is still mostly on the Leafs, however, if the Leafs win game 5 - then I think the pressure goes to Florida as losing Game 6 would mean Game 7 in Toronto.

yes and no.

i mean, the panthers won a game 7 a week and a half ago on the road against an arguably better team.

i don't think the panthers are ever going to feel the kind of pressure the leafs feel but my concern is the leafs just start playing and forget about the pressure. the panthers (and bob) would really have to fall off for the leafs to win another 3 in a row as most of the stats in the series are pretty even; it seems likely that we'll continue to see tight games and i'm not sure the leafs will get the bounces and make all the plays 4 games in a row. but i am concerned about that possibility and was before last night.

 

[Ratsreign]

Officials blow calls, it happens all the time, like it happened here. Oh well.

It does happen often. And people will always disagree on some of the refs calls/non-calls.

 

[Rob Brown]

yes and no.

i mean, the panthers won a game 7 a week and a half ago on the road against an arguably better team.

i don't think the panthers are ever going to feel the kind of pressure the leafs feel but my concern is the leafs just start playing and forget about the pressure. the panthers (and bob) would really have to fall off for the leafs to win another 3 in a row as most of the stats in the series are pretty even; it seems likely that we'll continue to see tight games and i'm not sure the leafs will get the bounces and make all the plays 4 games in a row.

Agree with all this, but I'd say that a game 7 on the road after coming back from down 3-1 is a lot different than game 7 on the road after losing a 3-0 series lead.

 

[zeroG]

Y'all need to rewatch this and set aside your Leafs bias. The hit on Rielly was clean and with 2 seconds left. The Leafs clearly instigate the scrum with the two hits that follow

there is no question. mccabe goes after montour with a crosscheck but ends up getting reinhart. then accairi comes flying in to take down montour. bennett comes in because his teammate is getting mauled.

there was nothing wrong with the hit.

did chucky pop marner twice in the scrum? yes. and?

Agree with all this, but I'd say that a game 7 on the road after coming back from down 3-1 is a lot different than game 7 on the road after losing a 3-0 series lead.

yes, yes.

i don't think the panthers would be feeling pressure, though. i think their confidence would be foundering. and that might be worse. and if we get to that point, the leafs won't be feeling pressure either and would have all the confidence in the world.

 

[holy]

Gotta love this site. Leafs got lucky to win a game. I swear if they come back and win a cup that will be the narrative this was the luckiest cup of all time lol

Relax buddy, it’s one game. Acting like Leafs fans never use the luck argument.

If they came back and won the Cup after being down 3-0 in a series it would be pretty damn remarkable.

 

[thusk]

Well, there’s going to be another game. You play until the final horn goes.

Bur Still a free shot who created all those battle after the game was over

yes and no.

i mean, the panthers won a game 7 a week and a half ago on the road against an arguably better team.

i don't think the panthers are ever going to feel the kind of pressure the leafs feel but my concern is the leafs just start playing and forget about the pressure. the panthers (and bob) would really have to fall off for the leafs to win another 3 in a row as most of the stats in the series are pretty even; it seems likely that we'll continue to see tight games and i'm not sure the leafs will get the bounces and make all the plays 4 games in a row. but i am concerned about that possibility and was before last night.

But florida didn't had pressure vs boston... they had nothing to lose... all the pressure was on bruins shoulder with their historic seasin

They didn't had any pressure to start as underdog in that series

but If Toronto just win game 5... the pressure will raise drastically in Florida just to not blow a 3 game lead and finally lost it for... if the pressure step up, its where we can see florida starting making nervous mistake or bobrovsky start struggling...