GDT: ECQF: Game 2 - Toronto Maple Leafs vs Ottawa Senators, 7:30 p.m. EST | Back to the Future Edition

[jbeck5]

Is this real life?

You tell me.

The high danger chances were 4-1 Toronto after the first. 8 minutes into the 2nd the game was 4-1 with a lot of that first 8 minutes spent 5v4

Of course you controlled the chances after that, it was garbage time with Toronto just protecting the lead it built up

I said the sens had better chances...I didn't ask why the sens had better chances lol...but thanks?

 

[Korpse]

They were very soft. I'm sorry. They could have called Leafs for similar things but didn't.

Alas, 1 sided. I'm not the only one saying this..plenty of neutral experts and ex NHLers saying so.

If you don't see it that way, I don't blame you...you're a leaf fan...but if you were trying to take the bias out, you would see the softness of the calls.

I don't know if I would say it was one sided, it was just a poor standard. The Stutzle penalty is the only one I didn't like. Some were borderline but they are penalties if they are calling a tight game. I wonder what the 1st intermission was like for the officials, did they feel to need to get control of the game before it got out of hand after a spirited first?

 

[leafsfan5]

You tell me.


I said the sens had better chances...I didn't ask why the sens had better chances lol...but thanks?

Numbers without context are useless lol

 

[93gilmour93]

Huh? We're talking about predictions for the rest of the series.

Not dissecting the box score of game 1.

But you can do that with someone else who's interested in doing that with you?.

Well I predict if ottawa plays as undisciplined as they did in game 1, it will be a quick series.

Game 1 looked like Travis Green opened the cage door and a bunch of puppies ran out not knowing what to do.....

 

[93gilmour93]

Well, I'd say the only stat that matters is Leafs 1 Ottawa 0

 

[jbeck5]

Oh refs 100% manage games.

That’s why the leafs don’t get as many powerplays as most teams. Because they don’t commit as many penalties, so the refs have to let more go by their opponents to keep it ‘fair’

Interesting take lol

In the last 3 years the sens were 1st, 2nd, and 1st in penalties drawn....who's right below us in the time...Florida. Florida went to the finals and also won a cup in those 3 years.

Were they being gifted PPs to "keep it fair" despite being a Stanley cup contender in that time, and perhaps THE favourite, for at least 1 of those years.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

I don't know if I would say it was one sided, it was just a poor standard. The Stutzle penalty is the only one I didn't like.

100%

I think any reasonable fan can agree with this. Doesn't make officiating one sided.

 

[jbeck5]

I don't know if I would say it was one sided, it was just a poor standard. The Stutzle penalty is the only one I didn't like. Some were borderline but they are penalties if they are calling a tight game. I wonder what the 1st intermission was like for the officials, did they feel to need to get control of the game before it got out of hand after a spirited first?

Like I said, you could argue everything the sens did was a penalty...though the stutzle one was soft as well as the Gaudette one...but they are by the book, penalties...

The problem lies with the fact the Leafs also committed way more than 2 "by the book" penalties...and they weren't called.

Plenty of times leaf players shoved sens players with both hands on their stick in cross checking fashion, but I wouldn't want the Leafs called for those...but then the sens were...so it's like "maybe the Leafs should have been called for those?"

 

[Leafsfan74]

Found it odd that Ottawa played Sanderson/Chabot 26+ minutes in a 6-2 game. If I'm the Leafs, I keep pounding them and wearing them down.

Leafs spread out their Dcore much more during Game 1, saving some abuse.

I generally agree but in this series I say if I am the Leafs "just finish your checks". I don't care how talented you are, young D Men don't reach their prime until many years in the league and the Leafs have real talent up front that is a task.

For the Leafs, the goal should be "don't retaliate, initiate. Play a hard game but clean. Focus emotions for the task at hand not on taking penalties"

If Ottawa gets down a couple of goals they will most likely get flustered, lose their cool, take penalties and Leafs will bury them

 

[Eat The Rich]

100%

I think any reasonable fan can agree with this. Doesn't make officiating one sided.

Call it one-sided, call it a poor standard, call it whatever you want.

I call it nice to be on the right side of a poorly officiated playoff game for a change. Seen way too many of those go the other way.

 

[jbeck5]

Numbers without context are useless lol

You're just applying a personal opinion though...so the context has to be taken with a grain of salt.

It's not like you were applying a statistical analysis to add caveat to the stats given.

 

[Enga Olly]

Huh? We're talking about predictions for the rest of the series.

Not dissecting the box score of game 1.

But you can do that with someone else who's interested in doing that with you?.

says dude dwelling on penalties that were penalties and actually being called, in game 1
All you have been doing is dissecting game management nuance. Let me put you at ease - Toronto will inevitably get penalties, my neutral friend.

Scoring 3 PP goals all within mere seconds of the start of those PPs has really burnt people's rump hairs. Hey Ottawa, settle down, calm down maybe do some meditation on game day. It's just a game , you will be OK

 

[jbeck5]

You just dissected the entire penalty summary.

No I didn't....there were 8 penalties. I didnt even mention half of them.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Hate to break it to the Sens fans but Brady ain’t the difference between an easy win and a close one. Brady is overrated and the rest of the team is hot garbage.

Oh look, a Leafs fan giving a 100% unbiased opinion.

 

[jbeck5]

100%

I think any reasonable fan can agree with this. Doesn't make officiating one sided.

It does when it's only applied to one team lol

 

[Strangle]

Interesting take lol

In the last 3 years the sens were 1st, 2nd, and 1st in penalties drawn....who's right below us in the time...Florida. Florida went to the finals and also won a cup in those 3 years.

Were they being gifted PPs to "keep it fair" despite being a Stanley cup contender in that time, and perhaps THE favourite, for at least 1 of those years.

It’s not that teams are ‘gifted’ pp’s, it’s more that some teams commit so many more infractions than their opponents that you cannot call everything.

So in those cases, you will find that if one team commits 17 cross checking penalties and their opponent commits only 2 …. Both the cross checks will be called for one team and only 2-3 of the 17 will be called on the other team.

Teams take advantage of this

 

[Isaac Nootin]

It does when it's only applied to one team lol

The reasonable Ottawa fan I quoted thinks otherwise

 

[jbeck5]

says dude dwelling on penalties that were penalties and actually being called, in game 1
All you have been doing is dissecting game management nuance. Let me put you at ease - Toronto will inevitably get penalties, my neutral friend.

Scoring 3 PP goals all within mere seconds of the start of those PPs has really burnt people's rump hairs. Hey Ottawa, settle down, calm down maybe do some meditation on game day. It's just a game , you will be OK

I'm not panicking...I predicted the sens didn't make the playoffs. I was saying they suck months ago.

All I said was I didn't agree with the penalties. Thought a few were by the book, penalties, but soft for a playoff game.

I also think the Leafs could have been called on equally soft calls, but weren't.

I also agree the sens were overly nervous and running around.

Ottawa fans do not need to settle down lol we're calm. Playoffs are gravy. I'm used to being done with hockey by this point.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Well, it would line up with averages more, but still be one sided...

Ottawa doesn't usually get 3 times as many powerplays as Toronto....so no. You're wrong.

So usually it's one sided in the Sens favour? Strange argument.

 

[leafsfan5]

You're just applying a personal opinion though...so the context has to be taken with a grain of salt.

It's not like you were applying a statistical analysis to add caveat to the stats given.

Score Effects are a pretty well-known and accepted phenomenon

 

[Leaf Fans]

Oh look, a Leafs fan giving a 100% unbiased opinion.

It is no more unusual than a fan of any other team giving a 100% in unbiased opinion.

 

[jbeck5]

So usually it's one sided in the Sens favour? Strange argument.

Huh? That wasn't my argument at all. Am I taking crazy pills?

I said if it was 6-2 in Ottawas favour, it would still be one sided, but would be closer to averages than 6-2 in Torontos favour.


What argument did you think I was making???? I'm very curious, so I can go back and improve in how I word things to not confused people.

 

[Madap]

Huh ? They nearly had as many pts as Florida …inexperienced sure , but they have the team to give the Leafs a run. Ultimately I think Leafs win a long series but I feel the lopsided game is out of the way

You think Florida and Ottawa are the same calibre team because they had a similar amount of points in the regular season? Context my guy.

They have a sieve for a goalie and no elite talent. And don’t discount their inexperience. It’s already cost them one game and there’s no way all these young players turn it around by the time the series is over.

If this series is close, it’s because Toronto has choked and played horribly, not because Ottawa is a a real playoff threat.

 

[jbeck5]

Score Effects are a pretty well-known and accepted phenomenon

But aren't always the case.

I've seen plenty of teams outshoot Ottawa and get a good lead, only to keep outshooting Ottawa and to keep growing their lead.

You forget how bad Ottawa has been over the past 8 years.

It's entirely possible for a team to keep pressing the gas. Have seen it against my team so many times lol. We've been hot garbage for almost a decade.

 

[Madap]

Oh look, a Leafs fan giving a 100% unbiased opinion.

What makes it unbiased? We just saw Toronto own them and that at least makes me thinking Toronto is the much better team more credible than what all the haters have to say.