GDT: ECQF: Game 2 - Toronto Maple Leafs vs Ottawa Senators, 7:30 p.m. EST | Back to the Future Edition

[jbeck5]

It wouldn't be "one sided" had it been the other way around, believe me.

Well, it would line up with averages more, but still be one sided...

Ottawa doesn't usually get 3 times as many powerplays as Toronto....so no. You're wrong.

 

[Relapsing]

Huh ? They nearly had as many pts as Florida …inexperienced sure , but they have the team to give the Leafs a run. Ultimately I think Leafs win a long series but I feel the lopsided game is out of the way

You'll catch one of two arguments

1) Florida had a number of guys out. True, but they werent the reason the Sens finished with 97 points, free and clear in WC1

2) The Sens benefitted from a weaker Eastern Conference. Which, ultimately, is an admission that every team at the top of the East benefitted from it, including the Leafs.

The Sens regular season record speaks for itself. They finished 6 in the East and 12th in the league. They're in the post season.

If the Sens are, according to what's his face, hot garbage, now is a good time to remind them that the Sens finished this year with one less regulation win than their Leafs had last season.

In any event, there's only 11 teams in the league that did better than Ottawa this season. In a 32 team league, there aren't 20+ teams that are hot garbage. There are 16 teams that earn a spot in the Playoffs, and 16 teams that range from "almost good enough" to "actively burning it down".

 

[jbeck5]

Blows my mind how they won't hold their players accountable for undisciplined play but try and play it off as bad officiating lol. Batherson especially needs to smarten up, he's one of their better players and took multiple stupid frustration penalties.

Because plenty of neutral fans also saw it one sided. To blame sens fans for seeing it that way is crazy. Talk to the neutral fans.

And I'm not saying they weren't penalties...they were soft penalties...but penalties nonetheless.

The issue comes with the fact the Leafs also had soft penalties, but they weren't called.

 

[AvroArrow]

It was one sided in that they called the sens penalties but not the Leafs penalties.

Also, I quite clearly just said "if things go back to average, Ottawa should get a lot more PPS than Toronto the rest of the way"

The leafs kept giving cross checks to Sanderson and Chabot all game and didn't get called. They would go on the forecheck but not be able to catch Chabot or Sanderson who was pealing away from their hits, so they would reach to make contract with a crosscheck.

Ridley Greig gets tripped...no call.

Stutzle carries the puck and gets wacked in the hands...no call.

I'm not saying the sens didn't commit infractions...it's that they are weak and not typically called in the playoffs, and when the Leafs did the same thing, weren't called.

That's one sided officiating.

But either way, that isn't the point. The point is, if things revert back to average. Sens get 8 or 9 more powerplays than the Leafs the rest of the way. Watch out if that happens if reffing goes back to normal, and not one sided like game one.

I can assure you, hitting a player from behind into the boards, cross checking a player from behind into the boards, and cross checking a player in the face is called 99% of the time in the playoffs.

No idea what cross checks on Sanderson and Chabot you're referring to, they got the body put on them on the forecheck multiple times though. Stutzle is a diver, are you talking about the play where he lost an edge and did his best Ryan Kesler impression ?

As for Greig, he's lucky he didn't get suspended or called for a penalty when he ran Stolarz

Officiating was average, the discipline level between the two teams was not. Senators are still a very inexperienced team, I'm sure they learned a lot from last game but they need to smarten up if they want to compete in the series. That many bad penalties will bury any hope of winning a game.

 

[Relapsing]

Because plenty of neutral fans also saw it one sided. To blame sens fans for seeing it that way is crazy. Talk to the neutral fans.

Imagine cheering for the Leafs all these years, and demanding other fans hold their teams players accountable.

 

[AvroArrow]

Because plenty of neutral fans also saw it one sided. To blame sens fans for seeing it that way is crazy. Talk to the neutral fans.

And I'm not saying they weren't penalties...they were soft penalties...but penalties nonetheless.

The issue comes with the fact the Leafs also had soft penalties, but they weren't called.

The powerplay opportunities obviously favored Toronto. But not because it was biased or 1 sided officiating, simply because Ottawa played probably the most undisciplined playoff game I have seen in the last 9 years.

Cross checking a player in the face, boarding a player, cross checking a player from behind into the boards are not soft penalties lol. They're called almost every single time, playoffs or not.

 

[jbeck5]

I can assure you, hitting a player from behind into the boards, cross checking a player from behind into the boards, and cross checking a player in the face is called 99% of the time in the playoffs.

No idea what cross checks on Sanderson and Chabot you're referring to, they got the body put on them on the forecheck multiple times though. Stutzle is a diver, are you talking about the play where he lost an edge and did his best Ryan Kesler impression ?

As for Greig, he's lucky he didn't get suspended or called for a penalty when he ran Stolarz

Officiating was average, the discipline level between the two teams was not. Senators are still a very inexperienced team, I'm sure they learned a lot from last game but they need to smarten up if they want to compete in the series. That many bad penalties will bury any hope of winning a game.

Im not reading this lol. You're clearly bias.

The point is, if officiating isn't one sided the rest of the way in favour of the Leafs, and penalties fall to the yearly average, the sens should get ~8-9 more powerplays over ~6 games which would be hard for the Leafs to win. Not saying they can't...but if Ottawa gets that many more powerplays, they would have an edge.

 

[jbeck5]

Imagine cheering for the Leafs all these years, and demanding other fans hold their teams players accountable.

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I stopped at imagine cheering for the Leafs...

And I cheer for the sens who are basically one step over buffalo lol

It's a sad world for both fanbases.

 

[Strangle]

Typically the sens draw more penalties than the Leafs.

Game 1 was one sided officiating in favour of the Leafs.

If the officiating goes back to normal/average, the sens should get more powerplays than the Leafs.

Sens drew 349 penalties and took 308 penalties...+41 for the year.

Leafs drew 268 penalties and took 285 penalties... -17 for the year.

So every 2 games, Ottawa goes up +1...and every 4 games Leafs go -1.

So over 7 games, Ottawa should be up 3.5PPs and Toronto should be down almost -2 PPS.


So if the series averages out, Ottawa already being down -4 means Ottawa should have atleast 8-9 more powerplays than Toronto the rest of the way...

Unless of course officiating favours the Leafs again.

Considering Ottawa had more chances and more high danger chances 5 on 5, if Ottawa gets most of the powerplays going forward, it could be difficult for Toronto.

I’m pretty sure this guy is an NHL ref and this is exactly the formula the NHL uses to determine how to distribute penalties game to game

 

[jbeck5]

The powerplay opportunities obviously favored Toronto. But not because it was biased or 1 sided officiating, simply because Ottawa played probably the most undisciplined playoff game I have seen in the last 9 years.

Cross checking a player in the face, boarding a player, cross checking a player from behind into the boards are not soft penalties lol. They're called almost every single time, playoffs or not.

They were very soft. I'm sorry. They could have called Leafs for similar things but didn't.

Alas, 1 sided. I'm not the only one saying this..plenty of neutral experts and ex NHLers saying so.

If you don't see it that way, I don't blame you...you're a leaf fan...but if you were trying to take the bias out, you would see the softness of the calls.

 

[Eat The Rich]

Considering Ottawa had more chances and more high danger chances 5 on 5, if Ottawa gets most of the powerplays going forward, it could be difficult for Toronto.

You guys keep trotting out Linus Ullmark and it likely won't be that difficult.

 

[jbeck5]

I’m pretty sure this guy is an NHL ref and this is exactly the formula the NHL uses to determine how to distribute penalties game to game

Nah, they usually ask which team is down and how many pps they've called.

Why is it after a 5 on 3...the team that was down 5 on 3 gets the next powerplay the majority of the time. Coincidence or do you think refs manage games?

They always say if you get a few PPS in a row, you better play super disciplined because they won't hesitate to call your team next...why? Shouldn't they both have the same odds of commiting the next penalty?

 

[Relapsing]

I can assure you, hitting a player from behind into the boards, cross checking a player from behind into the boards, and cross checking a player in the face is called 99% of the time in the playoffs.

I can think of at least two blatant infractions that didn't get called on Leafs players just off the top of my head - maybe you missed them because Cuthbert didn't mention it in the broadcast?

Brady speared in the biscuits in front of Stolarz. I remember seeing people in the GDT saying he turtled.

Grieg getting a crosscheck to the back of the head in front of a linesman in open ice.

Maybe assurances like yours would carry some weight if you'd acknowledge that refs missed a number of calls against Toronto.

 

[jbeck5]

You guys keep trotting out Linus Ullmark and it likely won't be that difficult.

Good point. If he does his usual playoff ullmark, it will be over quick. The only small chance is merilainen coming in and being the next time thomas or something.

I wonder what's the over/under on how many goals he has to give up to not be in nets for game 3.

 

[93gilmour93]

Typically the sens draw more penalties than the Leafs.

Game 1 was one sided officiating in favour of the Leafs.

If the officiating goes back to normal/average, the sens should get more powerplays than the Leafs.

Sens drew 349 penalties and took 308 penalties...+41 for the year.

Leafs drew 268 penalties and took 285 penalties... -17 for the year.

So every 2 games, Ottawa goes up +1...and every 4 games Leafs go -1.

So over 7 games, Ottawa should be up 3.5PPs and Toronto should be down almost -2 PPS.


So if the series averages out, Ottawa already being down -4 means Ottawa should have atleast 8-9 more powerplays than Toronto the rest of the way...

Unless of course officiating favours the Leafs again.

Considering Ottawa had more chances and more high danger chances 5 on 5, if Ottawa gets most of the powerplays going forward, it could be difficult for Toronto.

 

[jbeck5]

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Stats, who needs them right?

 

[93gilmour93]

Stats, who needs them right?

Only stat that matters in this series so far....

Leafs 6 Ottawa 2

 

[jbeck5]

Only stat that matters in this series so far....

Leafs 6 Ottawa 2

Huh? We're talking about predictions for the rest of the series.

Not dissecting the box score of game 1.

But you can do that with someone else who's interested in doing that with you?.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

But either way, that isn't the point. The point is, if things revert back to average. Sens get 8 or 9 more powerplays than the Leafs the rest of the way. Watch out if that happens if reffing goes back to normal, and not one sided like game one.

Is this real life?

 

[NyQuil]

Only stat that matters in this series so far....

Leafs 6 Ottawa 2

Well, I'd say the only stat that matters is Leafs 1 Ottawa 0

 

[Strangle]

Nah, they usually ask which team is down and how many pps they've called.

Why is it after a 5 on 3...the team that was down 5 on 3 gets the next powerplay the majority of the time. Coincidence or do you think refs manage games?

They always say if you get a few PPS in a row, you better play super disciplined because they won't hesitate to call your team next...why? Shouldn't they both have the same odds of commiting the next penalty?

Oh refs 100% manage games.

That’s why the leafs don’t get as many powerplays as most teams. Because they don’t commit as many penalties, so the refs have to let more go by their opponents to keep it ‘fair’

 

[TorMapleJays]

4-0 shut out for the Leafs tonight. Sens fans start to dump their tickets on 3P sites. Leaf fans take over Ottawa. Toronto in five. Sit at home for 4-6 days watching Florida kill each other to get the gift of the healthy well rested Leafs.

 

[leafsfan5]

Typically the sens draw more penalties than the Leafs.

Game 1 was one sided officiating in favour of the Leafs.

If the officiating goes back to normal/average, the sens should get more powerplays than the Leafs.

Sens drew 349 penalties and took 308 penalties...+41 for the year.

Leafs drew 268 penalties and took 285 penalties... -17 for the year.

So every 2 games, Ottawa goes up +1...and every 4 games Leafs go -1.

So over 7 games, Ottawa should be up 3.5PPs and Toronto should be down almost -2 PPS.


So if the series averages out, Ottawa already being down -4 means Ottawa should have atleast 8-9 more powerplays than Toronto the rest of the way...

Unless of course officiating favours the Leafs again.

Considering Ottawa had more chances and more high danger chances 5 on 5, if Ottawa gets most of the powerplays going forward, it could be difficult for Toronto.

The high danger chances were 4-1 Toronto after the first. 8 minutes into the 2nd the game was 4-1 with a lot of that first 8 minutes spent 5v4

Of course you controlled the chances after that, it was garbage time with Toronto just protecting the lead it built up

 

[jbeck5]

You'll catch one of two arguments

1) Florida had a number of guys out. True, but they werent the reason the Sens finished with 97 points, free and clear in WC1

2) The Sens benefitted from a weaker Eastern Conference. Which, ultimately, is an admission that every team at the top of the East benefitted from it, including the Leafs.

The Sens regular season record speaks for itself. They finished 6 in the East and 12th in the league. They're in the post season.

If the Sens are, according to what's his face, hot garbage, now is a good time to remind them that the Sens finished this year with one less regulation win than their Leafs had last season.

In any event, there's only 11 teams in the league that did better than Ottawa this season. In a 32 team league, there aren't 20+ teams that are hot garbage. There are 16 teams that earn a spot in the Playoffs, and 16 teams that range from "almost good enough" to "actively burning it down".

I bet he doesn't answer for that.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Not dissecting the box score of game 1.

You just dissected the entire penalty summary.