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GDT: ECF #4 - 05/25/14 | Montreal Canadiens @ New York Rangers | 8:00 - NBC SPORTS, CBC

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SnowblindNYR said:
Can someone explain, why a linesman is allowed to put his hands on a player? Seems a little unfair to me, linesman can put his hands on the player, you touch him and get 10 games.
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Because he's a lineman - it's his job to separate players if he deems it necessary. You can't hit a linesman, ever. Never ever ever. Never.
 
Derfel said:
I think he said "no timeframe", not that he's out for sure tonight... but again, my assumption is that he would be out for at least the next 6-7 days if he has the surgery yesterday. The way AV said it, it sounded like he had the surgery today.
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No, he said he's out. He was directly asked if Stepan was out tonight and he open his palms and nodded with a look like yeah, he's out.

Again, you're right considering we won't know until 8pm. It seems like Miller is in though, which means Steps is out.
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
I shouldn't post on the GDT - I have a superstition that every time I do, we lose.

But I think you are completely off base here. A player is only as good as the situation that he is put in. Poo was put in a top 6 role his entire career and failed. Vigneault put him on the 3rd line and, situationally, he has turned out to be an excellent player.

Boyle has been one of our best players throughout the post season. He would be completely out of place on the first line with Kreider and Nash.

You put players in a position that optimizes their talent. Moore has offensive ability, but what makes him one of our "best players in the post season" is the fact that these abilities are better than comparable players on comparable lines. He's an exceptional 4th liner and penalty killer. Exceptional.

But I think the decision to put him on the first line will be as successful as AV's decision to make Stepan, Nash, and MSL our first line, too. The strength of our offense this season has been the balance. Having Moore on the 4th line only means that we tinker with 1 line's chemistry. Putting him on the 1st means that 2 of our lines will now be new. I think that's a lot bigger of a disadvantage than putting Miller on the 1st line - with a player he already has chemistry with from the AHL - for the first 2 periods, and then being able to substitute D. Moore into that line for defensive situations in the 3rd period.

But hey, I guess to each his own. Torts' mentality of playing players in positions that they weren't optimized clearly worked out for him.
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Yeah that's all well and good, but Miller isn't a viable NHL center at this point in his career. I'd rather have a competent player between two of our better wingers than a kid who hasn't shown that he's ready for the show. We're not talking about a Kreider situation. We're talking about putting in a rookie with zero defensive prowess between two of our top wingers. Kreider was in the lineup as a 3rd line winger seeing favorable zone starts.

But hey, we heard the same narrative about Kreider until he finally proved he was ready, so why not with JT Miller? Would expect nothing less.

Moore is a better NHLer, better center, and more effective offensive player right now than Miller has shown in his entire NHL career. "Optimizing talent" is just another way of saying "spoonfeed our prospect ice time".
 
I Am Chariot said:
Which Montreal line does Scott Gomez play on?
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Ouch that's harsh; this game is taking forever to start in the words of Gordon Lightfoot "...where the wait for the Rangers game turns the minutes to hours" or something.
 
jerseyjinx94 said:
No, he said he's out. He was directly asked if Stepan was out tonight and he open his palms and nodded with a look like yeah, he's out.

Again, you're right considering we won't know until 8pm. It seems like Miller is in though, which means Steps is out.
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AV seems like such a straight-shooter - would have been easy enough to just say "yes". But I can't see how Stepan could play after that surgery so quickly, especially if he did have it today.

Losing him is certainly going to make it tougher.
 
Trxjw said:
Yeah that's all well and good, but Miller isn't a viable NHL center at this point in his career. I'd rather have a competent player between two of our better wingers than a kid who hasn't shown that he's ready for the show. We're not talking about a Kreider situation. We're talking about putting in a rookie with zero defensive prowess between two of our top wingers. Kreider was in the lineup as a 3rd line winger seeing favorable zone starts.

But hey, we heard the same narrative about Kreider until he finally proved he was ready, so why not with JT Miller? Would expect nothing less.

Moore is a better NHLer, better center, and more effective offensive player right now than Miller has shown in his entire NHL career. "Optimizing talent" is just another way of saying "spoonfeed our prospect ice time".
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Game 4 of the Conference Finals being literally the WOAT time to try it.

Maybe only use JT as the center only in the O-zone, and put D. Moore between them in the D-zone? I think this is just a matter of preference of risk/reward vs. neutral, i.e. Fast.

It's possible Kreider - Miller - Nash could be a dominant line. It's almost certain that they'd be a disaster on the defensive side of the puck.
 
Derfel said:
I think you've answered yourself quite well right there...? :naughty:
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:laugh: nice one. Well that couldn't last for two hours, so I refrain.

Gotta think of something, or I'll fall asleep. Got no good videogame atm ... all too boring and such.

And drinking is not an option either ... :(
 
Pouliot - Brassard - Zuccarello has been giving every team's defense a lot of trouble, I don't expect this to be different. Put em out against Scrubban, one of them will walk away with a hat trick.
 
I really hope that the Rangers make us proud, put forth an effort like they did in the first period, all game, except score this time.
 
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