Eastside Hockey Manager - Part X Patch 1.5 Edition! (Open Beta)

[abo9]

The game still sims high level performance for the majority of players way too late into their careers. Even if their attributes start to deteriorate. I think it is because the sim engine has players continually accruing reputation that sees the GM/coach AI play and value old players way too much even if there are younger players in the system with better ratings and attributes.

And this has a waterfall effect that means a lot of good prospects - even if they develop their ratings and attributes - don’t actually exhibit high level performance until their late 20’s or even 30’s because that’s when they finally break into top roles.

I’m interested in seeing if @xECK29x implementation of a more stratified ratings system helps - but in general I think the game engine is far too reliant on “reputation” ratings and not nearly reliant enough on actual CA. I used to use the editor to “re-balance” reputations after each season (with the feature that archi implemyed that let’s you generate all reputations based on CA/PA) - because even after one season the reputation to CA relationship gets crazy out of whack. But lately when I do this in saved games it causes the game to crash when I go back into it.

Thats all good information and things ive experienced thanks! Especially with regards to coaches managing the lineup - gotta clear the old wood fast when prospects are good.

But I was actually talking about attributes exploding late in career (maybe its all related to reputation?). Ill try to find an example on my game file and report here later, but like a guy jumping 5-7 in many attributes between the ages of 28 and 32, and sometimes seemingly even later.

Im not exactly complaining (it can technically happen irl), but it is surprising! And seem to happen to specific player types (mainly physical type players).

Om the note... a team of bullies suck so bad in EHM haha, I'm trying to pull all my favorite draft pick exploits to gather the best of the best - to no avail

 

[BKarchitect]

Thats all good information and things ive experienced thanks! Especially with regards to coaches managing the lineup - gotta clear the old wood fast when prospects are good.

But I was actually talking about attributes exploding late in career (maybe its all related to reputation?). Ill try to find an example on my game file and report here later, but like a guy jumping 5-7 in many attributes between the ages of 28 and 32, and sometimes seemingly even later.

Im not exactly complaining (it can technically happen irl), but it is surprising! And seem to happen to specific player types (mainly physical type players).

Om the note... a team of bullies suck so bad in EHM haha, I'm trying to pull all my favorite draft pick exploits to gather the best of the best - to no avail

Yeah I think in general the game still keeps old players over performing or overrated for too long. But maybe as modders we have gotten a little imbalanced from the original intent of the ratings a bit as well - one of the things I know ECk is exploring.

It would be interesting for somebody to go back to the original database and do some quick long-term simming as a test…it’s been so long so I used any database even remotely still connected to the original game db that I have no idea lol.

 

[xECK29x]

It would be interesting for somebody to go back to the original database and do some quick long-term simming as a test…it’s been so long so I used any database even remotely still connected to the original game db that I have no idea lol.

That’s exactly what I did and where I started to notice an imbalance. I also got a lot of detail from Ninos old research and the team that built the original DB alongside Riz. 1.5 is different from the original build of the game but there are some things I was doing with Pivot that was way out of wack with what the game expected.

Specifically details about attributes that blew my mind because we were using them so incorrectly in player builds. I’m also working with Archi to update and add new functionality to the editor to ensure some of these best practices are being enforced. More to come there!

 

[BKarchitect]

That’s exactly what I did and where I started to notice an imbalance. I also got a lot of detail from Ninos old research and the team that built the original DB alongside Riz. 1.5 is different from the original build of the game but there are some things I was doing with Pivot that was way out of wack with what the game expected.

Specifically details about attributes that blew my mind because we were using them so incorrectly in player builds. I’m also working with Archi to update and add new functionality to the editor to ensure some of these best practices are being enforced. More to come there!

Always was curious when the ratings in the DB are out of wack with the CA - I had always assumed and know that the game will go ahead and knock them down to some degree…ie, if you have a guy all 20’s and a CA of 100 the game would do some sort of internal deconstruction of those attributes when you start. But I assume not always in the way you would want or expect?

I would love in the future for @archibalduk ’s editor to have kind of formula built in where you could create a new player, give him a CA and player role and then hit “calculate” and the attributes would fill in to a scaled archetype based on that CA and role. This would make creation of prospects where we may know a basic style but that’s it - much more efficient and still be able to have realistic interpretation of these prospects in the game. Or even just managing filler players in some random second tier league.

 

[xECK29x]

I would love in the future for @archibalduk ’s editor to have kind of formula built in where you could create a new player, give him a CA and player role and then hit “calculate” and the attributes would fill in to a scaled archetype based on that CA and role. This would make creation of prospects where we may know a basic style but that’s it - much more efficient and still be able to have realistic interpretation of these prospects in the game. Or even just managing filler players in some random second tier league.

We kind of have it today but its being re-worked, its the auto-rate players mass edit, it mostly leverages career history info though.

 

[BKarchitect]

Ok guys...what should I do with NHLX...36 teams in the NHL:

Who should get the Coyotes roster (or should they stay) and who should be the four "extra" teams (one of which can be Arizona as an expansion team if the Coyotes 'franchise' is moved):

- Stay in AZ with a revised look and new arena:

- Move to Houston (clever logo from Twitter) and stay as the Coyotes:

- Move to Houston and rebrand as the Aeros (Gordie Howe's old team)...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Salt Lake City and tweak look to be the Utah Coyotes:

- Move to Salt Lake City and rebrand as the Swarm...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Kansas City and tweak look to be the Kansas City Coyotes:

- Move to Kansas City and rebrand as the old NHL Scouts (with a badass new logo)...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Quebec City and rebrand as the old NHL Nordiques...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Atlanta and rebrand as the old NHL Thrashers...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Portland and rebrand as the Rosebuds...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Greater Toronto as the second Toronto team (Markham?) and rebrand as the old WHA Toros...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Hamilton and rebrand as the old OLD NHL Tigers...or this can be an expansion team:

 

[CutOnDime97]

Ok guys...what should I do with NHLX...36 teams in the NHL:

Who should get the Coyotes roster (or should they stay) and who should be the four "extra" teams (one of which can be Arizona as an expansion team if the Coyotes 'franchise' is moved):

- Stay in AZ with a revised look and new arena:

- Move to Houston (clever logo from Twitter) and stay as the Coyotes:

- Move to Houston and rebrand as the Aeros (Gordie Howe's old team)...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Salt Lake City and tweak look to be the Utah Coyotes:

- Move to Salt Lake City and rebrand as the Swarm...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Kansas City and tweak look to be the Kansas City Coyotes:

- Move to Kansas City and rebrand as the old NHL Scouts (with a badass new logo)...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Quebec City and rebrand as the old NHL Nordiques...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Atlanta and rebrand as the old NHL Thrashers...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Portland and rebrand as the Rosebuds...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Greater Toronto as the second Toronto team (Markham?) and rebrand as the old WHA Toros...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Hamilton and rebrand as the old OLD NHL Tigers...or this can be an expansion team:

I vote for the AHL Aeros logo

 

[GKJ]

I moved them to New Orleans on my db, but I never got around to figuring out the logo stuff

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

Wow, this is the first time I've had EHM screw me over with a "shock retirement:" of a star forward, 35 years old, 3 years left on his contract, no injury issues, just won the cup in a PPG season... and announces it on July 25th. Thanks, game.

I guess that balances out the times it happened to overpaid, declining players with no cap penalty.

 

[archibalduk]

Always was curious when the ratings in the DB are out of wack with the CA - I had always assumed and know that the game will go ahead and knock them down to some degree…ie, if you have a guy all 20’s and a CA of 100 the game would do some sort of internal deconstruction of those attributes when you start. But I assume not always in the way you would want or expect?

I would love in the future for @archibalduk ’s editor to have kind of formula built in where you could create a new player, give him a CA and player role and then hit “calculate” and the attributes would fill in to a scaled archetype based on that CA and role. This would make creation of prospects where we may know a basic style but that’s it - much more efficient and still be able to have realistic interpretation of these prospects in the game. Or even just managing filler players in some random second tier league.

This is actually something on my radar. I'm re-working the CA auto-rating at the moment but would like to make it generate attributes too. It might be a bit of a challenge to generate CA without any career history though.

 

[BKarchitect]

This is actually something on my radar. I'm re-working the CA auto-rating at the moment but would like to make it generate attributes too. It might be a bit of a challenge to generate CA without any career history though.

Cool! Yeah I’m more thinking along the lines of you giving the player a CA (and role) and then there being a button to press (not universal because I don’t want to override attributes I have tweaked on other players) where it fills in attributes based on the input CA and role.

Does that make sense or something that may be possible at some point?

 

[archibalduk]

Got it - yes that's exactly what I'm planning.

 

[bashbros32]

Year 3 of Arizona was a step in the right direction of bringing them to relevance!

As mentioned before we signed Jakob Silfverberg to a 1 year contract worth 2.25M.

Everything else remained the same, and this was our lineup for the 2024/25 season:


Tyler Bertuzzi - Adam Fantilli - Clayton Keller
Lawson Crouse - Logan Cooley - Dylan Guenther
Max Jones - Nick Schmaltz - Jakob Silfverberg
Ben McCartney - Barret Hayton - Jan Jenik
X- Nathan Smith, Curtis Douglas, Josh Doan

Aron Kiviharju - Victor Soderstrom
Juuso Valimaki - Scott Mayfield
Niko Mikkola - Radko Gudas
X- Janis Moser

Karel Vejmelka
Cal Petersen

The team finished 4th in the west and 9th overall with a 41-29-12 record (OTL's legit carried our season, the average was 4 OTLs... which would have put us at 41-37-4, good for 85 points, and 10th place in the west)

Our scoring was absolutely by committee this season, with no single player scoring above 60 points.

Tyler Bertuzzi - 82GP 13-43-56 -4 44 PIM
Dylan Guenther - 82GP 24-32-56 +3 19 PIM
Lawson Crouse - 82GP 28-27-55 +16 38 PIM
Clayton Keller - 77GP 32-23-55 +4 12 PIM
Logan Cooley - 82GP 25-23-48 +13 22 PIM
Adam Fantilli 82GP 17-26-43 +5 16 PIM
Nick Schmaltz 75GP 15-28-43 +14 38 PIM
Jakob Silfverberg 81GP 15-21-36 +1 18 PIM
Barrett Hayton 81GP 16-18-34 -16 28 PIM
Ben McCartney 75GP 14-16-30 +8 50 PIM
Jan Jenik 48GP 6-12-18 -1 16 PIM
Max Jones 69GP 8-10-18 -9 36 PIM
Nathan Smith 53GP 3-13-16 -11 38 PIM
Josh Doan 12GP 0-1-1 -8 4 PIM
Curtis Douglas 3GP 1-0-1 -1 4 PIM

Aron Kiviharju 82GP 6-39-45 +11 10 PIM
Victor Soderstrom 80GP 8-29-37 +24 10 PIM
Juuso Valimaki 82GP 8-18-26 +4 12 PIM
Scott Mayfield 81GP 1-21-22 -14 38 PIM
Niko Mikkola 70GP 4-14-18 -4 14 PIM
Radko Gudas 73GP 2-14-16 -9 65 PIM
Janis Moser 24GP 0-3-3 -2 12 PIM

Karel Vejmelka 32-21-11 2.93 .912 2 shutouts
Cal Petersen 8-8-0 3.48 .895 0 shutouts

Our playoff dreams were short-lived however (likely due to having your #1 and 2C, #1D and a 3rd line Wing all being rookies, AND all of those OTLs... our team really wasn't a playoff team)

We lost in 5 games to the 6th place Avalanche.

For the off-season, Cal Petersen has decided to test free agency, and we have re-signed Karel Vejmelka to a 7 year deal worth $6M per.

After pre-season, our Lineup looks like this:

Bertuzzi (A) - Cooley - Keller (C)
Crouse (A) - Fantilli - Guenther
Daniil But (23rd overall 2023) - Hayton - Schmaltz
Jones - Smith - Doan
X-McCartney, Jenik

Kiviharju - Soderstrom
Valimaki - Mayfield
Mikkola - Gudas
X- Moser

Vejmelka
Vinni (10th overall 2024)

Yes, that's right folks, after pre-season and training camp, 19 year old Eemil Vinni has beaten out 26 year old Ivan Prosvetov and 22 year old Rasmus Korhonen for the backup role in the 25/26 season, although this will be monitored throughout the season, and we may see all 3 goalies rotate around in order to get all of them even playing time.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Ok guys...what should I do with NHLX...36 teams in the NHL:

Who should get the Coyotes roster (or should they stay) and who should be the four "extra" teams (one of which can be Arizona as an expansion team if the Coyotes 'franchise' is moved):

- Stay in AZ with a revised look and new arena:

- Move to Houston (clever logo from Twitter) and stay as the Coyotes:

- Move to Houston and rebrand as the Aeros (Gordie Howe's old team)...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Salt Lake City and tweak look to be the Utah Coyotes:

- Move to Salt Lake City and rebrand as the Swarm...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Kansas City and tweak look to be the Kansas City Coyotes:

- Move to Kansas City and rebrand as the old NHL Scouts (with a badass new logo)...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Quebec City and rebrand as the old NHL Nordiques...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Atlanta and rebrand as the old NHL Thrashers...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Portland and rebrand as the Rosebuds...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Greater Toronto as the second Toronto team (Markham?) and rebrand as the old WHA Toros...or this can be an expansion team:

- Move to Hamilton and rebrand as the old OLD NHL Tigers...or this can be an expansion team:

Yo, I love the initiative for the game, but as a Coyotes fan and STH this really bums me the hell out.

 

[BKarchitect]

Yo, I love the initiative for the game, but as a Coyotes fan and STH this really bums me the hell out.

I didn’t remove them yet. Think I will keep it status quo and just move them to a new development at Fiesta Mall in Mesa or just to the Footprint Center to keep hope alive. Even if they do move eventually I’m going to keep the Yotes in as an expansion team.

 

[bashbros32]

I didn’t remove them yet. Think I will keep it status quo and just move them to a new development at Fiesta Mall in Mesa or just to the Footprint Center to keep hope alive. Even if they do move eventually I’m going to keep the Yotes in as an expansion team.

I think keeping them for now is the right call, especially considering they are going to be in AZ at minimum next year (that was announced right? I'm not making that up? lol)

 

[The Feckless Puck]

I think keeping them for now is the right call, especially considering they are going to be in AZ at minimum next year (that was announced right? I'm not making that up? lol)

They actually have two years left on their contract with ASU, but they only guaranteed this coming season. Funtime!

 

[GKJ]

Anyone with an editor, it’s a rather simple thing to change if you really want to.

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

I just got a goalie injured after a win at the WJC:

"<team>'s <player name> will be out of action for about a month while a physiotherapist treats a hip flexor strain.

Player page says "Unavaialble for about 3 weeks because he is attending physiotherapy (Condition: None).

Never seen that before in hundreds of hours of play...

 

[GKJ]

I just got a goalie injured after a win at the WJC:

"<team>'s <player name> will be out of action for about a month while a physiotherapist treats a hip flexor strain.

Player page says "Unavaialble for about 3 weeks because he is attending physiotherapy (Condition: None).

Never seen that before in hundreds of hours of play...

That’s a new one by me, I’d be curious on how to increase some of the injuries though.

 

[M88K]

I just got a goalie injured after a win at the WJC:

"<team>'s <player name> will be out of action for about a month while a physiotherapist treats a hip flexor strain.

Player page says "Unavaialble for about 3 weeks because he is attending physiotherapy (Condition: None).

Never seen that before in hundreds of hours of play...

It's happened a few times to me, it just means the AI gm of the WJC team sent the player to rehab.
You get the option with certain players and certain injuries.
IIRC when a player gets injured go to the player profile and request a trainer report. and if the report says something along the lines of "believes this injury will happen in the future" you will get the option to send him to rehab and you'll see the same condition none but is away attending Phys therapy

 

[GKJ]

It's happened a few times to me, it just means the AI gm of the WJC team sent the player to rehab.
You get the option with certain players and certain injuries.
IIRC when a player gets injured go to the player profile and request a trainer report. and if the report says something along the lines of "believes this injury will happen in the future" you will get the option to send him to rehab and you'll see the same condition none but is away attending Phys therapy

I don’t think I’ve ever seen this. Would like to try to produce it so I can see it.

 

[M88K]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen this. Would like to try to produce it so I can see it.

So after you do the trainer report and it says the it will happen again or likely to happen again, under the actions menu (where you request the trainer/coaches reports) there should then be an option to send to rehab.

 

[GKJ]

So after you do the trainer report and it says the it will happen again or likely to happen again, under the actions menu (where you request the trainer/coaches reports) there should then be an option to send to rehab.

I’ll check that out. I’ve never paid much attention to the trainer report because I don’t think I’ve seen it say anything other than not having long term concerns. Does a different icon show up on the roster screen?

 

[M88K]

I’ll check that out. I’ve never paid much attention to the trainer report because I don’t think I’ve seen it say anything other than not having long term concerns. Does a different icon show up on the roster screen?

Unfortunately no, it's kind of a hidden feature.
I'll see if any of my saved games have anyone that qualifies and add a screenshot