Dynasty Building XXXVII: Improving On A Cup Winning Team

[Incubajerks]

Kol and Limatov

 

[Buenos Necas]

Big kid who can score goals....has a nice wrister apparently. Wondering about Perevalov who is now 22 and unless there's some grandfathering in the new CBA, I thought I recalled that we would lose control of him....perhaps it will be next year as the CBA kicks in in Sept. I believe. Anybody know? @Lempo ?

Per PuckPedia those changes will be implanted with the 2027 draft:

Reserve List – Exclusive Rights​

Starting with the 2027 Entry Draft, teams will hold exclusive signing rights to drafted players for a set period based on the player's age:

• Age 18 at draft: Rights retained through June 1 four years later
• Age 19 or older: Rights retained through June 1 three years later

After this period, if unsigned, the player becomes a draft-related Unrestricted Free Agent.

Although I don’t think this actually applies to players drafted out of Russia and nothing will be changing there. There’s never been a formal transfer agreement so teams essentially have their rights until they can become UFAs at age 27.

 

[NotOpie]

Per PuckPedia those changes will be implanted with the 2027 draft:


Although I don’t think this actually applies to players drafted out of Russia and nothing will be changing there. There’s never been a formal transfer agreement so teams essentially have their rights until they can become UFAs at age 27.

Okay, thanks....that's pretty important.

However, I do believe I read that Russian players will be subject to the age 22 rule as its intent is to equalize things across all potential "draftee" markets.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Okay, thanks....that's pretty important.

However, I do believe I read that Russian players will be subject to the age 22 rule as its intent is to equalize things across all potential "draftee" markets.

True re: Ru players. That’s an inefficiency that Tulsky focused on; going forward, given the opaque nature (cough dirtiness) of the Ru market it may be one that why won’t focus on as strongly (unless they develop a network of Ru agents to work with $$$$).

 

[User13452]

Always felt like this was possible I bet the negotiations have been rocky. This all started before he got here the agent wasn’t thrilled with the process to begin with

 

[Buenos Necas]

Okay, thanks....that's pretty important.

However, I do believe I read that Russian players will be subject to the age 22 rule as its intent is to equalize things across all potential "draftee" markets.

Have you seen anything confirming that will be the case? I did some searching last summer and didn’t find anything myself, but there may be news since then I missed.

Since player transfers are basically an IIHF/NHL agreement under the current CBA, I’ve taken the new rules referencing “European” countries to just mean IIHF countries, excluding Russia and minting status quo there. I’ve yet to find something that truly specifies that distinction, making it annoying for us to try to figure it out.

I hoped we’d have some confirmation of the change applying specifically to Russians since it would be a pretty big change given the usual timeline of bringing them over to North America.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Always felt like this was possible I bet the negotiations have been rocky. This all started before he got here the agent wasn’t thrilled with the process to begin with

That’s felt right for me from the start.

Need to give to get, and who else are we realistically giving from this roster after a Cup win?

 

[Unsustainable]

In all honesty, what sucks at the moment is we have our top 9 locked in.

Staal and Martinook are 1 year out, Carrier still has that weird contract of 2m for eternity.

KK is the 13th forward...

Hall - Stank - Blake (top line in the playoffs)
Svech - Aho - Jarvis (didnt score much but didnt get scored against even less)
Ehlers - Staal - Marty (Ehlers made the most of the room they made)
Robinson - Jankowski - Carrier (they didn't get sheltered)

If we get Jarvis to get his shoulder right, then we have a top 6 need.

Our only holes are in goal tending.

But our top 6 is signed to term (minus Hall, but Ehlers is)

Staal replacement and Marty replacements? Ryabkin I think is a definite candidate, Cerrato they are high on.

 

[Incubajerks]

I have the feeling that we'll try to get Hischier. I'm probably wrong, but this idea has been buzzing in my head for a while.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Would be a huge mistake to trade Nikishin unless a 1C or 1RHD caliber player is coming back (of course with adds to Boom in that case). I’m not convinced we move him, this could just be chatter and part of leverage for negotiations. It just doesn’t make sense to move him for any realistic target this offseason.

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

Always felt like this was possible I bet the negotiations have been rocky. This all started before he got here the agent wasn’t thrilled with the process to begin with

Once Miller broke out this year the need for Nikishin to be a hit has been lessened.

We could get an absolute haul for him. Or we could use him to get something big to help up front. Either way, might be our best strategy to float him in a trade.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Also worth noting that report is an absolute joke. “Multiple teams confirm Carolina is considering trade involving Alexander Nikishin” is worded in a way that makes it seem like he’s on the trade block but in reality all it is saying is that teams have inquired about him and Carolina hasn’t said he’s unavailable. Every player has a price, and I still highly doubt anyone out there meets our price for Nikishin (or Nikishin + in a larger deal for a superstar). Plus the source here is “other teams” nothing from the Canes.

I can easily see a bridge deal and the saga continuing though. Hope like hell we can just lock him up to 8 get him in the top 4 and consistent special teams time and unleash the beast.

 

[spockBokk]

complete speculation, but…



The Sharks wanted Nikishin + for Meier. They just missed out on Byram. Do the Canes want 2OA?

 

[Discipline Daddy]

Once Miller broke out this year the need for Nikishin to be a hit has been lessened.

We could get an absolute haul for him. Or we could use him to get something big to help up front. Either way, might be our best strategy to float him in a trade.

Yeah that's where I am with Nikishin as well. He's a physical specimen, so of course you'd love to have him on your team, Canes included. But he made a lot of bad reads with his decision-making. He'll be 25 in October. He's "NHL young" but he has had a lot of professional experience.

Compounding matters is the fact that CAL and Nystrom both look totally NHL ready to me. In particular, I think Legault needs to be on our roster next year. The way I see it, the downgrade from Nikishin to CAL doesn't seem significant at this point in time, but as little as a year ago we were ready to slot Nikishin in as a surefire top 4, quite possibly #1 defenseman.

I could see the Borg looking to add a big time player like Larkin at the cost of Nikishin. Or, if the Werenski rumor is true, that'd be an even better add. I'd go Nikishin + 2026 1st + Nadeau for Werenski.

 

[BrindAmours Army]

I'd rather keep him, but if we are going to move him, I really hope we don't move him for nothing but magic beans or a goalie.

I think he looked great in playoffs until the concussion.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

complete speculation, but…



The Sharks wanted Nikishin + for Meier. They just missed out on Byram. Do the Canes want 2OA?

I imagine Nikishin would be for pick #9, not #2. I'd be shocked if the Canes had a chance to draft Stenberg or Bjorck.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

You know what would be categorically insane? Nikishin for #2, then #2 to the Blues for all of their first-round picks.

 

[User13452]

I have full trust in Tulsky as should everyone else in here. To me it’s bridge deal or no deal I can’t see both sides reaching agreement on where a long term deal would be money wise. Plus Nikishin agent is probably thinking he needs to play more minutes and not buried behind miller and Slavin. This is all driven by the agent I would bet

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

We were healthy in the playoffs, so the fact that there was only one guy like this in the lineup is a sign of how deep and healthy we were.

But Nikishin was the guy in the playoffs where when he was on the ice, I was paying attention, because I was nervous about it.

 

[OG]

As far as succession planning goes I thought Nikishin worked out wonderfully and would be great to have stepping up when Slavin takes a step back. Would hate to see him go because I think we need longer term defensive pieces more than we need top 6 reinforcements. Not going to question Tulsky though at this point. Just get big value if the trigger must be pulled.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

We were healthy in the playoffs, so the fact that there was only one guy like this in the lineup is a sign of how deep and healthy we were.

But Nikishin was the guy in the playoffs where when he was on the ice, I was paying attention, because I was nervous about it.

TBF, Nikishin was also not playing on his strong-side and was also playing with Ghost, not some defensive stalwart.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

I imagine Nikishin would be for pick #9, not #2. I'd be shocked if the Canes had a chance to draft Stenberg or Bjorck.

Nikishin for 9 would be absolutely awful. I wouldn’t even do it for 2 but could at least stomach that

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

TBF, Nikishin was also not playing on his strong-side and was also playing with Ghost, not some defensive stalwart.

And yet I didn’t feel that way about Ghost himself. I was excited when Ghost had the puck.

 

[User13452]

If Nikishin isn’t able or Rod doesn’t want him playing the wrong side with Slavin then he’s basically stuck in the third pair. Carolina isn’t gonna budge with whatever offer they currently gave to him for an extension. The only leverage Nikishin has is to ask for a trade or not play

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Byram just got the #4 overall. There's no harm in seeing what Nikishin's value is in this market, even if they do decide to keep him