Player Discussion: dylan samberg

[Moloch]

I am not afraid to admit that I am much more comfortable and confident watching the Jets play with this guy on the blue line. He's that good, and it is kinda nuts that not only has he improved so much over the past year, he came back in the lineup after missing more than a month and it looked like he never left.

 

[DRW204]

I am not afraid to admit that I am much more comfortable and confident watching the Jets play with this guy on the blue line. He's that good, and it is kinda nuts that not only has he improved so much over the past year, he came back in the lineup after missing more than a month and it looked like he never left.

yup. his ascension up the roster is how the expectations or path should be for similarly rated or drafted prospects.

Samberg started with an opportunity of 15gp in '21-22 - played v well
'22-'24: crushes it in a 3rd pair role for a couple years as morrissey and dillon were ahead and playing well
24-25: moves up the roster and continues to crush it in a 2nd pair role.

in terms of most valuable:

i was thinking he might be ahead of ehlers and vilardi in terms of being valuable.

Helle (tier by himself)
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Scheifele, Morrissey
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Connor
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some mix of ehlers, samberg, lowry and vilardi.

given we've seen pionk's level of play through the years including this one w/o samberg, i think samberg championing the 2nd pair to v good levels might have him ahead of those other fwds in that tier group.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I think that Samberg makes Pionk better, but not vice versa

For that reason, yeah

But, Pionk has looked okay with Fleury, Berg, and for a period with Stanley. That's a lot of d he has to make look god.

 

[Jet]

But, Pionk has looked okay with Fleury, Berg, and for a period with Stanley. That's a lot of d he has to make look god.

I think overall Pionk has looked good with everyone this year. A real renaissance for him - so happy.

That being said snerg is really his ideal partner. Such a fantastic compliment to one another.

I still have Pionk ahead of him due to his overall ability but Samberg is a fantastic 2LD

 

[Jack7222]

yup. his ascension up the roster is how the expectations or path should be for similarly rated or drafted prospects.

Samberg started with an opportunity of 15gp in '21-22 - played v well
'22-'24: crushes it in a 3rd pair role for a couple years as morrissey and dillon were ahead and playing well
24-25: moves up the roster and continues to crush it in a 2nd pair role.

in terms of most valuable:

i was thinking he might be ahead of ehlers and vilardi in terms of being valuable.

Helle (tier by himself)
-
Scheifele, Morrissey
-
Connor
-
some mix of ehlers, samberg, lowry and vilardi.

given we've seen pionk's level of play through the years including this one w/o samberg, i think samberg championing the 2nd pair to v good levels might have him ahead of those other fwds in that tier group.

Am I crazy, because I seem to remember Samberg being pretty poor for his first run of games in the league, I believe in that 2022 season to start. I remember him turning a major corner at some point.

 

[Gm0ney]

Am I crazy, because I seem to remember Samberg being pretty poor for his first run of games in the league, I believe in that 2022 season to start. I remember him turning a major corner at some point.

In 2021-22 they tried him with Pionk and it didn't go well. He played about half his minutes that year with Neal and the shot metrics were terrible. Maybe that's what you're thinking of?

 

[DRW204]

In 2021-22 they tried him with Pionk and it didn't go well. He played about half his minutes that year with Neal and the shot metrics were terrible. Maybe that's what you're thinking of?

Even then his shot/chances against metrics aren't far off his recent years. The "for" side is a bit lower, which I have trouble attributing to just a D pair (excluding the elite offensive guys, make, josi, hughes, jomo, fox etc)

 

[Crocket]

Am I crazy, because I seem to remember Samberg being pretty poor for his first run of games in the league, I believe in that 2022 season to start. I remember him turning a major corner at some point.

He struggled at times getting the puck out, played best keeping it simple. He had some dreadful memorable giveaways like the Vegas OT giveaway that made him look bad. But he has played very well, keeping it simple. He's a great compliment to Pionk.
Pionk has a broken foot and other things last year and might have been better off taking a break. But he's much better now

 

[KingBogo]

Am I crazy, because I seem to remember Samberg being pretty poor for his first run of games in the league, I believe in that 2022 season to start. I remember him turning a major corner at some point.

He struggled a bit as a raw rookie in 21-22, but by the following season his underlying numbers were trending up nicely and he cemented himself above Stanley. Last year he was pushing out of the number 3 LHD slot and this year he has established himself as the #2 LHD. His upward trajectory has been quite impressive.

 

[DRW204]

 

[Gm0ney]

That's Pionk's agent, fwiw...

 

[Buffdog]

That's Pionk's agent, fwiw...

Perfect... Chevy is a frugal Winnipegger now... hopefully he can negotiate a BOGO deal

 

[10Ducky10]

What does it take to sign Sammy?
Would 6 x 5m do it?

 

[JetsFan815]

What does it take to sign Sammy?
Would 6 x 5m do it?

My brain still hasn't calibrated to the new bumped up cap so not sure what numbers mean with the new 100 million cap but Samberg not being a point producer likely dampens his cap numbers. I'd want 8 years though regardless of the price point.

 

[10Ducky10]

My brain still hasn't calibrated to the new bumped up cap so not sure what numbers mean with the new 100 million cap but Samberg not being a point producer likely dampens his cap numbers. I'd want 8 years though regardless of the price point.

In 8 years he is 34 years old. I'm happy for the deal to end at 32.

 

[DRW204]

4m-5m I think is fair for him. Was thinking about where he placed on the valuable Jet rankings for this year, may have him ahead of Lowry atm given this recent stretch.

 

[Jet]

In 8 years he is 34 years old. I'm happy for the deal to end at 32.

Why?

Defensemen are in their primes in their early 30's. I think with Samberg you go max contract length.

Especially a guy like him who isn't overly physical or depending on top end speed to be effective. He'll just keep getting better like a fine wine.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I would go like 7x5.5. Just sign him long term and and then Give Pionk like 5x6.5 and then you are set on top 4 for a long time

 

[surixon]

I would go like 7x5.5. Just sign him long term and and then Give Pionk like 5x6.5 and then you are set on top 4 for a long time

Given what Pettersson just signed for your amount seems fair for Snerg.

No clue if $6.5 gets it done for Pionk given the year he's having.

 

[Weezeric]

Given what Pettersson just signed for your amount seems fair for Snerg.

No clue if $6.5 gets it done for Pionk given the year he's having.

Even if Pionk is 7.5M, to have an above average top 4 pairing with chemistry for 13M is a pretty great deal.

 

[Moloch]

8x5.5

 

[Gm0ney]

Capwages has a cool viz for the where the cap hit is being allocated Winnipeg Jets | Salary cap and contracts :

Wheeler's buyout disappears completely and Schmidt's drops to $1.62M next year - so there's an extra $3.8M in cap space on top of the expected ceiling increase.

Lots of contracts coming due though.

UFA: Ehlers, Pionk, Iafallo, Appleton, Namestnikov (and Fleury).
RFA: Vilardi, Samberg, Barron, Kupari and Ford (everyone but Ford has arbitration rights as well).

$53.5M committed for next year, so with a $95M cap, that leaves about $41.5M to sign those guys or their replacements.

 

[DRW204]

Capwages has a cool viz for the where the cap hit is being allocated Winnipeg Jets | Salary cap and contracts :
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Wheeler's buyout disappears completely and Schmidt's drops to $1.62M next year - so there's an extra $3.8M in cap space on top of the expected ceiling increase.

Lots of contracts coming due though.

UFA: Ehlers, Pionk, Iafallo, Appleton, Namestnikov (and Fleury).
RFA: Vilardi, Samberg, Barron, Kupari and Ford (everyone but Ford has arbitration rights as well).

$53.5M committed for next year, so with a $95M cap, that leaves about $41.5M to sign those guys or their replacements.

They have the most cap space in the league according to Spotrac. Most of it will go quick though with some of those names you listed.

 

[Buffdog]

They have the most cap space in the league according to Spotrac. Most of it will go quick though with some of those names you listed.

Chevy is a wizard lol. A top team in the league AND a cap situation like that?

Lots of raises coming to lots of guys though (hopefully)

 

[10Ducky10]

Chevy is a wizard lol. A top team in the league AND a cap situation like that?

Lots of raises coming to lots of guys though (hopefully)

Ehlers 9
Iafallo 3
Apples 3
Names 3
Volare 7
Barron 2
Kupari 2
Pionk 7
Sammy 6

That is only 42m while signing everybody that is up for a new deal and I don't think I am low on any of them and I am probably high on a few. Of course Chevy won't re-sign all of them and some rookies will join the squad and maybe a TD acquisition gets re-signed or comes in with time still on his deal.

I know Lowry, KC and Perfetti are up the next season but Chevy has done a great job all things considered.