Friedman: Dylan Larkin requests trade

[centipede2233]

I was watching Sid sixiero’s reaction to the Larkin trade request today and Sid mentioned that Friedman told him that Larkin wouldn’t be the only American high profile player to request a trade this summer. Sid gave his opinion that he thinks Brady Tkachuk would request a trade. Being that Friedman said there is more to come this summer for trade requests has legs. Just no definite names but that will come

 

[AKL]

yeah same. I'm not taking any offense either to any of the rejections of MIN offers. What it comes down to is Larkin controls where he goes. MIN wants him--I think that's clear--but we aren't as motivated to pay for him as DET should be to trade him, and we can afford to let someone outbid us. It's all speculation about who he'd be willing to waive for; if there are few teams and MIN is among them we'd have an advantage in leverage and if there are a lot of teams on that list we would probably get outbid. I'm fine either way.

Yeah, not taking the specific trade proposal details to heart, I'm more concerned with why the conversation is being dominated by "Yzerman is just going to keep him if he doesn't get a good offer" when 1) he's going to get several good offers, and 2) driving the organization/locker room into the ground because he's petty isn't a better option than losing out on a small amount of value in the return.

 

[Dread Clawz]

Anton Lundell + 9th overall for Larkin.

Larkins contract is in line with the cup run window and makes a stacked top 9. Maybe the best deal imo Red Wings can hope for... idk.

Lundell isn't going to be traded for Larkin. 9th+Samoskevich+would be the neighborhood.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Florida fans will hate that and I get it, but I think this is pretty likely in terms of the greater point.

NHL teams aren't going to be as withholding in terms of acquisition cost as their fanbase.

We know as much as anyone how much it stings to trade guys you've won Cups with lol. Once the dust settles, I think this will be another situation where folks say "Man, how did Florida get away with that?!"

Lundell is a very capable 2C, but Larkin is clearly the better player over the next 3-5 years - and he's never played on an NHL team with the kind of talent the Panthers have. If you can make that improvement to your roster for the 9th overall pick and ~3.5m in cap space, I think it's a no-brainer for Zito.

 

[VeniVidiVlasic]

"What do you think McDAvid is worth? He might be a 1C on in EDM, a team that can never win a cup"

See how dumb your statement is?

What would HfB be without a few of us clueless morons stressing you out with our ignorance and dumbery.

It will not surprise me at all if over these next couple of seasons that McDavid is traded. This 2 year deal was a prove it to the org to win it, which they likely won’t. They’re not going to let him walk for free in most likelihood. So yes, at some point in the next 12-18 months McDavid’s value as a #1 of #1 centers will be shake out because Edmonton is not going to win the Cup and Edm will be forced to find a new strategy.

 

[rynryn]

I am super worried about the dressing room, but we have been for multiple years running. Doing something in the next two weeks versus six months to a year really doesn't change that.

the trade request is new though, right? It's one thing to sit in the room with a publicly frustrated guy who expresses he wants the GM to do something and another to sit in the room with a guy who requested to get out. Or has Larkin been trying to get out for a while?

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Lundell isn't going to be traded for Larkin. 9th+Samoskevich+would be the neighborhood.

I don't think that reflects the price paid in analogous trades.

If Yzerman's feet are held to the fire maybe Detroit would get a smaller asset than 9OA accompanying Lundell, but I cannot imagine a deal with Florida getting done without Lundell involved. Just wouldn't make sense for salary cap, roster space, and value purposes.

 

[BeranekAndNeck]

I do think it's cute that you guys are lecturing me, thinking you're being the rational, logical, common sense guys here, while simultaneously ignoring all of the precedent of these types of situations that we've seen before.

I do understand why you guys are clinging to the hopium that this time is different from all the other times and that it ends with the best case scenario for Detroit. I really do sympathize, which is why I'm trying to lend some grace here, but the whole "you don't have common sense or logic because you're looking at reality and precedent for how these situations usually go, when you should be ignoring all that because this time is different because we hope it is" attitude isn't doing you any favors.

Mic drop.

 

[Sota Popinski]

Because Detroit fans keep pushing an insane idea of Florida trading Lundell+(9th) for Larkin…

& again you are completely missing the point and I’m not surprised

I didn't say that and you replied to me. So I guess you should have replied to the guy who said Lundell + 9th overall. I didn't miss a damn thing.

Panthers trade Lundell for Larkin straight up every day. You replied to my post to disagree but you're crediting Lundell with numbers he's never reached which is 60 points and I guess top 10 selke guy. Lundell is playing behind Sam Bennett. Neither of those guys is better than Larkin. Lundell could eventually be, I guess, but I wouldn't bet on it.

But it doesn't matter because Florida doesn't need him. So kumbaya

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

You've spent the last several pages of this thread explaining to us exactly why he shouldn't be scared of repercussions from the ownership group.

The reason that happens is generally you cannot wait to see it through. The point of Steve won't be bullied is because of his relationship with his ownership group. What heats him up, does Larkin complaining get Seider and Raymond to request out? Is that not already likely, he has been complaining behind the scenes since 2023. When Drouin was complaining did Yzerman buckle in Tampa, did he care about the fallout from MSL or getting rid of Lecavalier. He had brutal negotiations with Stamkos and Larkin himself on deals. There is a lot of evidence including Freidman himself saying when talking about this that he is very tough to negotiate with so we will see how this goes. I think using a bunch of past returns when they don't involve Yzerman or a guy with 5 years left on his deal while selling it as reality is a choice. I would like to move him at the draft, but not for a ton of what is being proposed here, ultimately I don't matter.

But I can tell you from knowing people around the organization, if Yzerman doesn't like what he is hearing or getting he won't do it.

 

[AKL]

but somebody is going to have to offer him an attractive offer. He probably got several in the last 48 hours he is willing to accept. Now are they Larkin's team of choice not sure,

31 teams have already called asking about him
At least 15 have submitted offers
At least 7 are competitive and fair, "attractive" as you'd say
At least a few of those are probably from teams Larkin would waive for

You're right that Yzerman doesn't need to be in a rush to move him and can wait a little

But he's already gotten an offer he would accept from a team Larkin would waive for, I can all but guarantee it

Maybe he waits too long and some of the better suitors find other options. Maybe he waits long enough and the better suitors get more desperate

I'm just trying to figure out why talking about holding onto him into this season or future seasons is taking such a prevalent role in these conversations. Beyond the fact that it's not a good option, it's just almost certainly moot at this point when the reason behind it is "he needs to get an attractive offer".

 

[rynryn]

Playing hardball with the other GMs isn't going to do shit for Yzerman, I'm afraid. So hardball with Larkin, trying to get him so pissed he's willing to open up his acceptable list?

 

[Sota Popinski]

I get that...but it felt like Wallstedt was your guy for most of the 2nd half and into the first round of the playoffs. Seems odd to want to push him off so quickly after his first real solid season.

We don't want to push him off. We want the first legit 1C in the 27 year history of the franchise

 

[majormajor]

You literally can’t go a single page in that thread without someone suggesting the Sharks trade Misa or 2nd overall for Larkin, which is beyond outrageous. And on some rare occasions, you have a Wings fan suggesting both.

Yeah and then other Wings fans are telling them they're crazy, that Larkin doesn't have that kind of value. The majority view is that Larkin doesn't have that kind of value.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

31 teams have already called asking about him
At least 15 have submitted offers
At least 7 are competitive and fair, "attractive" as you'd say
At least a few of those are probably from teams Larkin would waive for

You're right that Yzerman doesn't need to be in a rush to move him and can wait a little

But he's already gotten an offer he would accept from a team Larkin would waive for, I can all but guarantee it

Maybe he waits too long and some of the better suitors find other options. Maybe he waits long enough and the better suitors get more desperate

I'm just trying to figure out why talking about holding onto him into this season or future seasons is taking such a prevalent role in these conversations. Beyond the fact that it's not a good option, it's just almost certainly moot at this point when the reason behind it is "he needs to get an attractive offer".

I think he will move him quickly if he has an acceptable offer. That isn't the argument, I also don't think he will try to create a big bidding war. But I don't hink he is on a clock.

I also think Larkin will thrive in his new spot for the record and will pull for him. I don't blame him for asking out at all.

 

[Dread Clawz]

I don't think that reflects the price paid in analogous trades.

If Yzerman's feet are held to the fire maybe Detroit would get a smaller asset than 9OA accompanying Lundell, but I cannot imagine a deal with Florida getting done without Lundell involved. Just wouldn't make sense for salary cap, roster space, and value purposes.

Florida doesn't have cap problems, they're one of the best cap outlooks for the foreseeable future. Plus I would think the 9th holds almost as much value as Lundell. Is Detroit really getting a better deal than like 9th plus Samoskevich plus 2nds plus Vilmanis, or something like that?

 

[majormajor]

We don't want to push him off. We want the first legit 1C in the 27 year history of the franchise

Mikko Koivu > Dylan Larkin

 

[majormajor]

Florida doesn't have cap problems, they're one of the best cap outlooks for the foreseeable future. Plus I would think the 9th holds almost as much value as Lundell. Is Detroit really getting a better deal than like 9th plus Samoskevich plus 2nds plus Vilmanis, or something like that?

The 9th is a legit good asset to build a deal around. Generically. But in this case you would need Detroit to accept a 100% futures package. A lot of teams just aren't going to do that, they'll prioritize getting assets in the 20-23 year old age range so they don't have to completely blow up their team.

 

[AKL]

Florida doesn't have cap problems, they're one of the best cap outlooks for the foreseeable future. Plus I would think the 9th holds almost as much value as Lundell. Is Detroit really getting a better deal than like 9th plus Samoskevich plus 2nds plus Vilmanis, or something like that?

I don't think the 9th is that attractive to a team that needs to start taking steps forward as soon as they can, unless they already have a plan to flip that 9th for something else.

Any number of NHL ready prospects, or 1st/2nd year roster players who project to be second liners would likely be more valuable than the 9th overall, which is a pick you hope you can find a guy who projects to be a second liner in 4-5 years with.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Florida doesn't have cap problems, they're one of the best cap outlooks for the foreseeable future. Plus I would think the 9th holds almost as much value as Lundell. Is Detroit really getting a better deal than like 9th plus Samoskevich plus 2nds plus Vilmanis, or something like that?

I think that a pretty good 24 year old 2C with term (Lundell) is quite clearly more valuable than 9OA. Ask Panthers fans which they'd rather lose in a vacuum and I think the answer would be unanimous that they'd shed the draft pick.

Yes - I do think Detroit gets a better return than 9OA, Samo, and change. He's a very good two-way pivot who has scored 30+ goals the past four seasons, on a very reasonable contract through the end of his prime. That calibre of center is simply not available frequently enough for Detroit to get low-balled as hard as some folks expect them to. Some Detroit fans have pie-in-the-sky expectations too to be fair.

Frankly, I expect the Larkin deal is pretty close to hammered out, with all parties waiting for the Cup to finish (a Carolina win or loss might alter the extent of their interest, e.g.), and for teams to have a little more draft and FA preparation before a move likely happens around the draft.

 

[TheImpatientBoomer]

We know as much as anyone how much it stings to trade guys you've won Cups with lol. Once the dust settles, I think this will be another situation where folks say "Man, how did Florida get away with that?!"

Lundell is a very capable 2C, but Larkin is clearly the better player over the next 3-5 years - and he's never played on an NHL team with the kind of talent the Panthers have. If you can make that improvement to your roster for the 9th overall pick and ~3.5m in cap space, I think it's a no-brainer for Zito.

So Florida uses Lundell + 9th overall to add an extra 30 pts in Larkin?

This is a horrible use of assets for something Florida doesn't need.

 

[KingsFan7824]

LOL. You missed the point completely. Larkin needs Florida.

He has a NTC, not an I'm going to force myself onto this one team even if they have no need for me clause.

 

[Snuggs]

Lundell isn't going to be traded for Larkin. 9th+Samoskevich+would be the neighborhood.

Meh, Larkins signed etc. This seems low, like really low. I'm not a dude saying he'll fetch Misa+2nd overall. I genuinely thought Lundell + 9 was a good compromise.

TBH, idk if Yzerman will deal him for something as low as you suggested. He'd have to have other offers better.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

I think that a pretty good 24 year old 2C with term (Lundell) is quite clearly more valuable than 9OA. Ask Panthers fans which they'd rather lose in a vacuum and I think the answer would be unanimous that they'd shed the draft pick.

Yes - I do think Detroit gets a better return than 9OA, Samo, and change. He's a very good two-way pivot who has scored 30+ goals the past four seasons, on a very reasonable contract through the end of his prime. That calibre of center is simply not available frequently enough for Detroit to get low-balled as hard as some folks expect them to. Some Detroit fans have pie-in-the-sky expectations too to be fair.

Frankly, I expect the Larkin deal is pretty close to hammered out, with all parties waiting for the Cup to finish (a Carolina win or loss might alter the extent of their interest, e.g.), and for teams to have a little more draft and FA preparation before a move likely happens around the draft.

I am starting to think Minnesota losing out on the deal is why we know about this at all.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

I am starting to think Minnesota losing out on the deal is why we know about this at all.