Friedman: Dylan Larkin requests trade, Part II

[datsyukfan]

Detroit fans, and also those who didn’t think Detroit’s return would be very good, should all look at what Florida paid for Brady, and conclude Detroit should do very well in the Larkin deal.

It’s a great example of the difference in leverage as well. Players with 2 years or less and an NMC have tremendous leverage.

Larkin having the 5 years left with a changing NTC that loses that leverage, being arguably a better player than Brady, and obviously playing the more important position, which is much more in demand….. should get more than Ottawa received from Florida.

That’s the overwhelming opinion tonight from scouts and evaluators. If a team thought they were gonna get Larkin at a discount, this Brady trade will likely push them, to either increase their offers, or move on.

Also, some think this trade may help push the Larkin trade to be completed before the draft, as it helps set the value better.

Heating it’s gonna be a fun two weeks coming up. Just heard the Devils might be sniffing around Larkin now too.

Would hischer be on the table for that?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

That’s how I feel about it.

If the wings suck they still have to hit the cap floor and EP40 helps that.

Ya know, it occurred to me, could we do something like:

Larkin for McTavish, Zellweger, 2027 1st (Maybe +?)

Whatever measly amount is required for EP40 at full salary.

Danielson + Finnie + ANA 2027 1st + DET 2027 1st (Top 10 protected) for Knies

And then run your top 6 as:

Raymond - EP40 - Debrincat
Knies - McTavish - Kasper

(I'm spitballing here people, please don't f***ing shoot me lol)

 

[BeranekAndNeck]

Nobody expected positivity from the guy who is so obsessed with the Red Wings that he went into a thread for a 20 year old 7th round draft pick to talk shit because he didn't log a point in 2 games lol.

You mean the 7th rounder who Wings fans swore was a Calder favourite and not just riding an unsustainable hot streak to start his career?

No idea what that has to do with Yzerman losing out on the only team on Larkin’s list with a top ten pick though. Which of Yurov, Stramel or Connolly will you all claim is also a future ROTY candidate?

 

[datsyukfan]

You mean the 7th rounder who Wings fans swore was a Calder favourite and not just riding an unsustainable hot streak to start his career?

No idea what that has to do with Yzerman losing out on the only team on Larkin’s list with a top ten pick though. Which of Yurov, Stramel or Connolly will you all claim is also a future ROTY candidate?

None of them because Larkin can expand his list or suit back up in Detroit

 

[Leo2Cutter]

Ya know, it occurred to me, could we do something like:

Larkin for McTavish, Zellweger, 2027 1st (Maybe +?)

Whatever measly amount is required for EP40 at full salary.

Danielson + Finnie + ANA 2027 1st + DET 2027 1st (Top 10 protected) for Knies

And then run your top 6 as:

Raymond - EP40 - Debrincat
Knies - McTavish - Kasper

(I'm spitballing here people, please don't f***ing shoot me lol)

I mean that’s about what I’d pay from Anaheim perspective…

But I’m not super in on Larkin, and my guess is PV won’t like the situation and be turned off on it too, unless the cost is on his sides

 

[jkutswings]

Which of Yurov, Stramel or Connolly will you all claim is also a future ROTY candidate?

Put yourself in Yzerman's shoes.

You just saw Brady Tkachuk net that type of return. The player you're trying to deal is of similar talent, at a more important position, and has additional remaining years on his cap friendly deal.

Why on Earth would you rush to accept whatever Minnesota is offering?

I could not care less how many teams were on Larkin's original list. He's not getting dealt until there's at least a respectable return.

 

[Leo2Cutter]

Put yourself in Yzerman's shoes.

You just saw Brady Tkachuk net that type of return. The player you're trying to deal is of similar talent, at a more important position, and has additional remaining years on his cap friendly deal.

Why on Earth would you rush to accept whatever Minnesota is offering?

I could not care less how name teams were on Larkin's original list. He's not getting dealt until there's at least a respectable return.

9th overall
2 late 1sts
And a late 2nd

Really seems a lot less than what redwings fans have been asking for. I think tkachuk is prob more valued stylistically than Larkin + age. Like personally I would gave up much more for tkachuk than I would Larkin.

 

[FMichael]

Put yourself in Yzerman's shoes.

You just saw Brady Tkachuk net that type of return. The player you're trying to deal is of similar talent, at a more important position, and has additional remaining years on his cap friendly deal.

Why on Earth would you rush to accept whatever Minnesota is offering?

I could not care less how many teams were on Larkin's original list. He's not getting dealt until there's at least a respectable return.

And with the draft coming up next weekend I’d expect to see multiple GMs inquiring…

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Ya know, it occurred to me, could we do something like:

Larkin for McTavish, Zellweger, 2027 1st (Maybe +?)

Whatever measly amount is required for EP40 at full salary.

Danielson + Finnie + ANA 2027 1st + DET 2027 1st (Top 10 protected) for Knies

And then run your top 6 as:

Raymond - EP40 - Debrincat
Knies - McTavish - Kasper

(I'm spitballing here people, please don't f***ing shoot me lol)

I don't have a gun, and it's not the topic of this thread, but that's an absolutely crackhead Matthew Knies package my friend.

Pettersson and McTavish is a bottom two or three center group in our division and we're trading first round picks? I don't see the vision. This team should get worse before it gets better.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

9th overall
2 late 1sts
And a late 2nd

Really seems a lot less than what redwings fans have been asking for. I think tkachuk is prob more valued stylistically than Larkin + age. Like personally I would gave up much more for tkachuk than I would Larkin.

2 yrs vs 5 for Larkin. People been saying for years tkachuk would join his brother. Surprise surprise he goes to Florida. Larkin has 5 years before he decides his fate. If he wants to go to Minnesota so bad cool. Shut up and play for 3 years and we’ll trade him then for a similiar shit package

 

[Ianturnedbull]

To Ottawa
Larkin
To Detroit
3 first round picks and a 2nd

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

You mean the 7th rounder who Wings fans swore was a Calder favourite and not just riding an unsustainable hot streak to start his career?

No idea what that has to do with Yzerman losing out on the only team on Larkin’s list with a top ten pick though. Which of Yurov, Stramel or Connolly will you all claim is also a future ROTY candidate?

"Things that didn't happen" for $500, Alex.

 

[OVO16]

So whatever Minny offered for Tkachuk is going to be offered for Larkin, more or less?

Feel like it's done

 

[Icebreakers]

So whatever Minny offered for Tkachuk is going to be offered for Larkin, more or less?

Feel like it's done

What do they even have asset wise?

Wallestedt
Yurov
2027 1st

?

Does that get it done?

 

[OVO16]

What do they even have asset wise?

Wallestedt
Yurov
2027 1st

?

Does that get it done?

IDK but according to one of the insiders, Minny offered up a "big" package for Tkachuk. A package that was better then the panthers but Brady decided he wanted to go to Florida

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

What do they even have asset wise?

Wallestedt
Yurov
2027 1st

?

Does that get it done?

I certainly don’t do that as a red wings fan

 

[Icebreakers]

IDK but according to one of the insiders, Minny offered up a "big" package for Tkachuk. A package that was better then the panthers but Brady decided he wanted to go to Florida

Thats the thing, they dont have assets anymore after the Q Hughes trade.

Their best prospect is probably Stramel, and Yurov, Wallstedt + the 1st are their only trade chips.

Its going to be a futures kind of trade. Wild are competing for a cup.

 

[Dotter]

IDK but according to one of the insiders, Minny offered up a "big" package for Tkachuk. A package that was better then the panthers but Brady decided he wanted to go to Florida

Source?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I mean that’s about what I’d pay from Anaheim perspective…

But I’m not super in on Larkin, and my guess is PV won’t like the situation and be turned off on it too, unless the cost is on his sides

Honestly I don't even like that return for Larkin I just know not to even bother asking for Solberg or McQueen lol.

I was trying to keep it to requests nobody would immediately shit all over. Admittedly I dunno how close I am on that Knies pitch. I tried comparing to the supposed Montreal deal, but now apparently they're looking for a difference package.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Whatever measly amount is required for EP40 at full salary.

Curious what you think that might be.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

IDK but according to one of the insiders, Minny offered up a "big" package for Tkachuk. A package that was better then the panthers but Brady decided he wanted to go to Florida

The insiders being Minnesota's lifelong writer lol.

Minnesota's "Big package" is probably enough value for Larkin... Once again the problem is that they don't really have a whole lot of options to choose from, and what options they do have, Detroit doesn't need.

Wallstedt, Yurov, and Stramel are all basically copies of things we already have. Wallstedt is more proven than any of our goalie prospects, but when we've got three good ones, his name doesn't exactly stop you in your tracks.

 

[Vegaspunk]

Lol at Larkin being the added piece to keep Florida in line lmao.

He's just step 1, after him is Helle as the arms race gets concentrated to Vegas/Florida/Carolina/Colorado

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

He's just step 1, after him is Helle as the arms race gets concentrated to Vegas/Florida/Carolina/Colorado

You don't have the assets to get Larkin, let alone Larkin and Helle lol.

 

[SuperScript29]

IDK but according to one of the insiders, Minny offered up a "big" package for Tkachuk. A package that was better then the panthers but Brady decided he wanted to go to Florida

Unless that bigger package involves one of Hughes, Faber, Boldy, or Kaprizov (Some salary retained), then no, it was likely not bigger. Seriously, the Wild have no assets, they might as well be sellers themselves since I don't expect Hughes to stay there long term. Probably a better idea to get something for him than nothing.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Curious what you think that might be.

Honestly no idea, but any significant asset at full price would have me lose interest.

I really don't get why VAN doesn't just retain on him and get some significant return. The only reason you don't do that is because the owner is being a cheap ass.