Friedman: Dylan Larkin requests trade, Part II

[RedHawkDown]

Dorofeyev doesn't do much for us without a center worth a shit.

Still a very good young player thats got star potential.

 

[Dotter]

How much do you guys respect Elliot Friedman around here?

He said in a podcast that Yzerman would not accept the return Staios got for Brady for Larkin.

(You can listen at the 24:00 mark and verify yourself) 32 Thoughts: The Podcast

 

[toskaladagoat]

How much do you guys respect Elliot Friedman around here?

He said in a podcast that Yzerman would not accept the return Staios got for Brady for Larkin.

(You can listen at the 24:00 mark) 32 Thoughts: The Podcast

Every fanbase is trying to convince other fan bases like they are the ones doing the deal .

No point in wasting time doing that man just laugh at the ridiculous parasocial comments and scenarios some of the jackasses bring up here like they are on the phone "negotiating". Most these people lose negotiations when they buy houses and cars they have no idea what trading or talent evaluation actually looks like.

 

[Dotter]

Every fanbase is trying to convince other fan bases like they are the ones doing the deal .

No point in wasting time doing that man just laugh at the ridiculous parasocial comments and scenarios some of the jackasses bring up here like they are on the phone "negotiating". Most these people lose negotiations when they buy houses and cars they have no idea what trading or talent evaluation actually looks like.

I'm not playing armchair GM here. I'm adding context to the Larkin discussion by citing Elliotte Friedman, one of the most credible insiders in hockey, and comparing Yzerman's stance to the return Staios got for Tkachuk.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

How much do you guys respect Elliot Friedman around here?

He said in a podcast that Yzerman would not accept the return Staios got for Brady for Larkin.

(You can listen at the 24:00 mark and verify yourself) 32 Thoughts: The Podcast

The return as in all futures? Or a return where the best piece has to be notably better than #9 overall?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

The return as in all futures? Or a return where the best piece has to be notably better than #9 overall?

Listening now, but the thing I keep hearing is that Yzerman doesn't want futures, so I'd assume the latter.

EDIT: I just listened. He essentially said he doesn't THINK Yzerman would take the trade that Ottawa did. Doesn't actually clarify if he's talking about the value or the type of assets received.

 

[Dotter]

The return as in all futures? Or a return where the best piece has to be notably better than #9 overall?

He said "nothing against Staios, but Yzerman is not accepting that trade for Larkin." He goes on and says "I'm not saying Brady is better than Larkin, just saying Yzerman would not accept it"

Not exact quote, but that is the basic message. You can click the link and listen for yourself.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

He said "nothing against Staios, but Yzerman is not accepting that trade for Larkin." He goes on and says "I'm not saying Brady is better than Larkin, just saying Yzerman would not accept it"

Not exact quote, but that is the basic message. You can click the link and listen for yourself.

Yeah, I just think that can be interpreted a couple of different ways. I'll probably listen later.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

It's not like Yzerman would say, "Hell, yeah, that'd be awesome!!", even if it was true.

 

[Dotter]

Listening now, but the thing I keep hearing is that Yzerman doesn't want futures, so I'd assume the latter.

He said earlier Staios isn't rebuilding, he's using those picks to fill out the roster with NHL talent.

 

[toskaladagoat]

I'm not playing armchair GM here. I'm adding context to the Larkin discussion by citing Elliotte Friedman, one of the most credible insiders in hockey, and comparing Yzerman's stance to the return Staios got for Tkachuk.

I mean there's no need to try and convince an opposing fan. Lol they aren't making the deal.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

So if Yzerman doesn't want futures and (probably) wants a good enough center replacement (aka somebody that can pay on Detroit's top line), are there even 3 teams in the NHL that would/could meet both of those?

 

[toskaladagoat]

So if Yzerman doesn't want futures and (probably) wants a good enough center replacement (aka somebody that can pay on Detroit's top line), are there even 3 teams in the NHL that would/could meet both of those?

Nobody knows

 

[Waldorf]

So if Yzerman doesn't want futures and (probably) wants a good enough center replacement (aka somebody that can pay on Detroit's top line), are there even 3 teams in the NHL that would/could meet both of those?

3-way trades open some doors.

 

[RedHawkDown]

So if Yzerman doesn't want futures and (probably) wants a good enough center replacement (aka somebody that can pay on Detroit's top line), are there even 3 teams in the NHL that would/could meet both of those?

He likely wants players close to making the NHL or existing NHL players as opposed to draft picks.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

So if Yzerman doesn't want futures and (probably) wants a good enough center replacement (aka somebody that can pay on Detroit's top line), are there even 3 teams in the NHL that would/could meet both of those?

I still get the sense that there's a play for EP40.

Obviously Larkin isn't signing off on going to Vancouver so that leaves the field completely open.

 

[chaser17]

Imagine telling someone 15-20 years ago that captains of Original 6 and Canadian franchises would be requesting trades to Florida and Las Vegas.

 

[eojsmada]

Imagine telling someone 15-20 years ago that captains of Original 6 and Canadian franchises would be requesting trades to Florida and Las Vegas.

Makes you wonder what was being said in the USA locker rooms. Currently seems to be the center from which all the rumors/activity is coming from.

 

[Leo2Cutter]

Listening now, but the thing I keep hearing is that Yzerman doesn't want futures, so I'd assume the latter.

EDIT: I just listened. He essentially said he doesn't THINK Yzerman would take the trade that Ottawa did. Doesn't actually clarify if he's talking about the value or the type of assets received.

My guess is the type of asset.... trading Larkin for a bunch of picks like that... you might as well sell off the rest of the squad too and start the next rebuild

Tho not really any replacement centers on the market for trade or draft..... not really appealing for DRW

 

[Yatzhee]

Makes you wonder what was being said in the USA locker rooms. Currently seems to be the center from which all the rumors/activity is coming from.

I will upd imagine no state income tax plays a roll. And then if you ask Kevyn Adams, palm trees do to.

But it’s really not that surprising given the consistency with which teams like the Panthers and Knights contend for the cup. These guys are competitors, they want to go where the optimal chances for a cup run are currently I’d surmise.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

My guess is the type of asset.... trading Larkin for a bunch of picks like that... you might as well sell off the rest of the squad too and start the next rebuild

Tho not really any replacement centers on the market for trade or draft..... not really appealing for DRW

I don't think you'd need to sell the Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson group, but some of their middling guys they should be selling.

 

[eojsmada]

I will upd imagine no state income tax plays a roll. And then if you ask Kevyn Adams, palm trees do to.

But it’s really not that surprising given the consistency with which teams like the Panthers and Knights contend for the cup. These guys are competitors, they want to go where the optimal chances for a cup run are currently I’d surmise.

Possibly. I think an honest assessment could simply be that folks like Tkachuk/Larkin/Hellebuyck are just tired of not winning and have been convinced that their organizational futures aren't nearly as bright as they might have thought.

There's only so much room for any of the "warm weather/tax-free" states to take on superstars, in terms of Cap. So it's not like they can just take everyone that wants to leave their current team.

 

[Leo2Cutter]

I don't think you'd need to sell the Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson group, but some of their middling guys they should be selling.

Its just going to be very hard to find a center.... teams too good to draft high enough to get a center
too bad to bring in a center in free agency(not that many of those exist nowadays), prob wont entice people to waive their NMC/NTC to play there anymore.

Its kinda a disaster, unless Yzerman can work some sort of magic

 

[eojsmada]

Its just going to be very hard to find a center.... teams too good to draft high enough to get a center
too bad to bring in a center in free agency(not that many of those exist nowadays), prob wont entice people to waive their NMC/NTC to play there anymore.

Its kinda a disaster, unless Yzerman can work some sort of magic

Yeah. And trying to convince someone to sign with Detroit after their homegrown center skips town thinking that the team has no future, is going to a tough sell.

 

[OVO16]

So Dylan Larkin's preferred destination is Dallas?

I don't know how the Stars can make that wok. What the deal be