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Dwight King Question re: Arbitration

3.5 (or around there) is the cutoff for walk away rights in an arbitration so tsanuri might have been talking about that.

I really doubt King would get that in arbitration.

For comparables you could look at...

12-13: LW Magnus Paarjarvi - 18g, 32pt pace - 2y, 1.2 AAV
10-11: RW Michael Frolik - 11g, 38pts - 3y, 2.33 AAV
10-11: LW Justin Abdelkader - 8g, 19pts - 4y, 1.8 AAV
10-11: RW Wayne Simmonds - 14g, 30pts - 2y, 1.75 AAV
10-11: C Brandon Sutter - 14g, 29pts - 3y, 2.01 AAV
(Was just looking for RFA contracts don't know why it always worked out it was 10-11 :laugh:).

I imagine those will be some of the comparables tossed around if arbitration goes down.
 
Kyle Palmieri signed a 3y/1.46 mil AAV last season.

Nick Spalling's contract is up but made 1y/1.5 mil last year

Tlusty just signed a 1y/2.95 mil but was playing top 6 minutes and had PP time

Gerbe is a lot smaller but just signed 2y/1.75 mil AAV



Dwight King should be in the 1.5-2 mil range.
 
Brad Doty said:
I think you can make the case that those numbers were inflated from riding shotgun with Kopi/Carter because when he settled back into a 'normal' role his production went back to below-average. He doesn't deserve more than Trevor Lewis money. I'd argue despite his flashes of brilliance that he's less useful than Lewis.

Don't get me wrong, if I'm writing his arbitration case I'm using the argument you are. You're absolutely not wrong.
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Why do people keep saying this, and acting like King is a product of Kopitar ?


King has scored over half of his career goals and points in a bottom six role. He had 14 points in 27 games in 2012 and another 8 in 20 during the playoff run. ALL in a bottom six capacity.

14 of his points and Six goals (ALL ES) were away from a top six line(this year). King received almost Zero PP time during the regular season.

Can we stop acting like King Hasn't produced away from the top six. He has spent the majority of his career in a bottom six role out producing, Lewis/Clifford COMBINED.

I get so sick of reading the same crap about King. The problem with Kings bottom six is pretty much two guys who make 2+ million a year combined; and can't seem to produce at least 10 goals or 20 points COMBINED in an 82 game schedule.

We got Nine Goals from Lewis and Clifford....NINE. Lewis has 18 in 276 NHL games. I don't need to describe how awful that is.

Oh King added another 11 points in 26 games in the playoff's all in the bottom six with some PP time.

I mean we constantly complain about the bottom six, then we want get rid of the people that actually produce there. Then keep black Holes like Lewis/Clifford. Then wonder why the bottom six sucks yet again at putting points on the board.

Want to know why the bottom six looked productive during the playoff's ?

Williams/King/Richards got stuck down there.

Further more, who did Chicago eat up in the WCF, Here is a hint, it wasn't Dwight King.
 
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Bottom line is King did absolutely nothing once was removed from the top 6. And he plays too soft to be on the bottom 6. But I like the guy. He frustrates the hell our of me with his soft play, but for some reason, I still like the guy.
 
Holden Caulfield said:
3.5 (or around there) is the cutoff for walk away rights in an arbitration so tsanuri might have been talking about that.
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Yes that is what I was talking about.
And right now it is at 3.5M the new numbers won't be effect until next year.
Pg. 69 of the CBA.
12.10 Walk-Away Rights for Player-Elected Salary Arbitration.
(a) If a Club has elected to arbitrate a one-year SPC, and the award issued is for
$3,500,000 or more per annum, then the Club may, within forty-eight (48) hours after the award
of the Salary Arbitrator is issued (or, if a Club has any other Player still eligible for salary
arbitration at that time and for whom a decision has not been rendered by a Salary Arbitrator at
that time, and the Club still has a walk-away right available to it in such League Year pursuant to
paragraph (c) below, forty-eight (48) hours after the award of the Salary Arbitrator for such other
Player is issued or that Player's salary arbitration case is settled), notify the Player or his
Certified Agent, if any, the NHLPA and the NHL in writing, in accordance with Exhibit 3
hereof, that it does not intend to tender to the Player an SPC based on the award as determined
by the Salary Arbitrator. Upon receipt of that notice, the Player shall automatically be deemed to
be an Unrestricted Free Agent.
(b) If a Club has elected to arbitrate a two-year SPC and the award issued is for
$3,500,000 or more per annum, then the Club may, within forty-eight (48) hours after the award
of the Salary Arbitrator is issued (or, if a Club has any other Player still eligible for salary
arbitration at that time and for whom a decision has not been rendered by a Salary Arbitrator at
that time, and the Club still has a walk-away right available to it in such League Year pursuant to
paragraph (c) below, forty-eight (48) hours after the award of the Salary Arbitrator for such other
Player is issued or that salary arbitration case
is settled), notify the Player or his Certified Agent,
if any, the NHLPA and the NHL in writing, in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereof, that it does not
intend to tender to the Player a two-year SPC based on the award as determined by the Salary
Arbitrator. Upon receipt of that notice, the Player and the Club shall enter into a one-year SPC
providing for the compensation set forth in the award and the Player will automatically be
deemed to be an Unrestricted Free Agent at the conclusion of that one-year SPC, subject to the
provisions of paragraph (c) below.
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Pg 70 of the CBA
70
ARTICLE 12 12.10-12.10
(d) The dollar amount of $3,500,000 set forth in each of paragraphs (a) and (b) above
shall be increased on an annual basis at the same percentage rate of annual increase as the
Average League Salary, with the first such increase occurring based upon a comparison of the
2014/15 Average League Salary to the 2013/14 Average League Salary. By way of example, if
the Average League Salary for the 2014/15 League Year has increased by ten (10) percent from
the Average League Salary for the 2013/14 League Year, then the figure of $3,500,000 stated in
paragraphs (a) and (b) above shall be increased by ten (10) percent to $3,850,000.
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So the first year to compare isn't until the 2014/15 season.
 
I don't see King as soft at all. I mean yeah he isn't really hitting but he's constantly physical, if that makes sense, leaning on guys and battling them for pucks. When you're in one of those games where you see the other team's defensemen just exhausted in the third period when the Kings turn it up, something we saw a ton of last season, I think Dwight King often plays a big part in that.

He needs to find a way to be more consistent offensively though. I don't see it as him only scoring when he's playing with scorers, I think he is perfectly capable of contributing in a bottom 6 role if he can just be more purposeful offensively and more often than once in a blue moon. You can see when he's "on" because he'll peel away from the boards and take it to the net, I want to see more of that. He did a pretty good job in the playoffs of getting to the front of the net to screen the goalie, but we didn't see much of that at all in the regular season. He's got room for improvement for sure and I wish he'd put the puck in the net more regularly, but Dwight King plays a valuable depth role on this team.
 
Brad Doty said:
I think you can make the case that those numbers were inflated from riding shotgun with Kopi/Carter because when he settled back into a 'normal' role his production went back to below-average. He doesn't deserve more than Trevor Lewis money. I'd argue despite his flashes of brilliance that he's less useful than Lewis.

Don't get me wrong, if I'm writing his arbitration case I'm using the argument you are. You're absolutely not wrong.
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You can say that anyone numbers are inflated playing with Kopitar and Carter. Thing he still scored when others didn't. Thanks thou this is the closer then most will say. Its not saying im right but i'm not wrong is a step to winning you over to my side of thinking lol :sarcasm:
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
You can say that anyone numbers are inflated playing with Kopitar and Carter. Thing he still scored when others didn't. Thanks thou this is the closer then most will say. Its not saying im right but i'm not wrong is a step to winning you over to my side of thinking lol :sarcasm:
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:P just trying to present the other side. My point was he was not productive when he was taken off the top line.

BigBrown said:
I don't see King as soft at all. I mean yeah he isn't really hitting but he's constantly physical, if that makes sense, leaning on guys and battling them for pucks. When you're in one of those games where you see the other team's defensemen just exhausted in the third period when the Kings turn it up, something we saw a ton of last season, I think Dwight King often plays a big part in that.

He needs to find a way to be more consistent offensively though. I don't see it as him only scoring when he's playing with scorers, I think he is perfectly capable of contributing in a bottom 6 role if he can just be more purposeful offensively and more often than once in a blue moon. You can see when he's "on" because he'll peel away from the boards and take it to the net, I want to see more of that. He did a pretty good job in the playoffs of getting to the front of the net to screen the goalie, but we didn't see much of that at all in the regular season. He's got room for improvement for sure and I wish he'd put the puck in the net more regularly, but Dwight King plays a valuable depth role on this team.
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Good view of it, hadn't really thought of that angle, that King is physical in the same way Kopi is, just holding the puck and wearing you down, making you lean on him. I guess I just wish he'd be more aggressive, he has Schultz syndrome.
 
Brad Doty said:
We certainly shouldn't.

Makes you wonder if another team would, though. Size, maybe untapped potential, SC pedigree, good attitude, I've seen more money thrown at less.

cough Pouliot
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That's what I'm hoping for. He's big, strong, pretty good hands and decent two way forward with 2 SC rings. Hopefully someone will offer sheet him. If not, maybe DL can trade him for at least a 2nd.
 
Brad Doty said:
:P just trying to present the other side. My point was he was not productive when he was taken off the top line.



Good view of it, hadn't really thought of that angle, that King is physical in the same way Kopi is, just holding the puck and wearing you down, making you lean on him. I guess I just wish he'd be more aggressive, he has Schultz syndrome.
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You don't have to blast people through the boards or dish out knuckle sandwiches to be considered physical. King does his job plain and simple. The offense he contributes is a plus. His job is to make the opposing D do some heavy lifting. Thats what he does best. How valuable is that? Who else is comparable out there at his price range, versatility, skill, and now playoff/cup winning experience?
 
The Black1963 said:
That's what I'm hoping for. He's big, strong, pretty good hands and decent two way forward with 2 SC rings. Hopefully someone will offer sheet him. If not, maybe DL can trade him for at least a 2nd.
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I'll let Holden correct me if I'm wrong, but if he's offersheeted at $1.75 million and we don't match, we'll get a 2nd as compensation. I believe that's true right up to about $3.3 million or so. I think a 2nd is fair in terms of trade value, especially if it's a decent 2nd (projects as a 35-45 overall range pick, say from Florida, Edmonton, etc.).
 
The Black1963 said:
So, basically, anyone who is BIG is considered physical???

I will respectfully disagree.
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As do I, but a lot of people (not on this board) were pushing that idea when Purcell was traded to the Oilers. You can have size and still be buttery soft
 
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