Rumor: DW in panic mode; Clowe Available (Murray and Handzus Gone)

[ChubbChubby]

Toughness is overrated. Chicago is proof of that.

 

[hockeyball]

Look, I like Dustin Brown, but the guy is one of the biggest doofus's in the league. Have you ever actually even seen an interview with the guy? I have no idea how the King's won with Dustin as their captain, but I'm pretty sure it was more of a winning despite him being captain, not because of it. He's certainly not anywhere near the same caliber of players as Marleau or JT, or even Couture. He's closer to Pavelski, but I'd still take Pavelski as a captain before Brown.

You are just spouting out one platitude after another without actually saying anything of value. If you want to make an argument that Joe Thornton is not a good captain, it's easy to do, but you are doing it horribly wrong.

 

[AJ SF4L]

It sucks for his development, but he'll be an RFA next year and won't get much of a raise since he hasn't played much.

I'm worried Demers will refuse to sign and ask for a trade at this rate. Why would he want to stay with an organization that has benched him for no reason, forcing him to watch players like White and Murray play over him? Then, if he gets a chance to play, he has to be the second coming of Lidstrom in order to stay in the active line-up. Honestly, Demers is getting screwed and I almost expect a RoR situation if he isn't traded.

not that i am a big fan of DM other than his toughness but could you imagine if SJ traded away Clowe and DM?? This team is soft already...they literally would be the queens of the league...

No, they wouldn't. Grit is completely overrated in this case. The Sharks would still have Thornton, Wingels, Sheppard, Desjardins, Handzus, Burish, Galiardi, Stuart, Burns, Braun, and Demers. Even Boyle, Marleau, and Vlasic play with an edge. Keeping an under-performing winger and a pylon (both of whom are UFA) will not hurt this team in the slightest.

 

[murdock1116]

DW is just going to have to trade Clowe, Murray, Handzus for draft picks. Considering the cap next year, we don't really have the room to take on another big contract (We'll have about 5.7million for 3 forward spots, after we sign those who are likely to be signed) But I would love to maybe see something like this.

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup

FORWARDS
Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Brent Burns ($5.760m)
Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m)
Viktor Stalberg ($3.000m) / Kyle Wellwood ($1.700m) / Tommy Wingels ($0.775m)
James Sheppard ($1.200m) / Adam Burish ($1.850m)

DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.667m) / Matt Irwin ($1.250m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($4.250m) / Brad Stuart ($3.600m)
Justin Braun ($1.250m) / Jason Demers ($1.500m)

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m)
Alex Stalock ($0.850m)
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(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,226,667; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (19-man roster): $1,073,333

Leaves a little over 1mil for a 4th line LW, maybe bring Galiardi back, but I feel like his time in SJ is over. (Also maybe not get Wellwood, but would be nice to bring him back) Would love to steal Stalberg from the Blackhawks though!

At this point its looking like Burns might need to stay as a top 6 forward

 

[PlaywithGutz*]

Look, I like Dustin Brown, but the guy is one of the biggest doofus's in the league. Have you ever actually even seen an interview with the guy? I have no idea how the King's won with Dustin as their captain, but I'm pretty sure it was more of a winning despite him being captain, not because of it. He's certainly not anywhere near the same caliber of players as Marleau or JT, or even Couture. He's closer to Pavelski, but I'd still take Pavelski as a captain before Brown.

You are just spouting out one platitude after another without actually saying anything of value. If you want to make an argument that Joe Thornton is not a good captain, it's easy to do, but you are doing it horribly wrong.

i get your eval of DB..yea the guy has one tooth....BUT

he competes at a high level and leads by example...he is not expected to put up JT's numbers. He is the Rod Brind'amour of the west....the hardest working guy out there.... He was NEVER on the trading block

 

[Juxtaposer]

I'm pro-Viktor Stalberg. Dude has speed and a shoot-first mentality.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I've had a forced ignore on the guy you guys are having this discussion with for years now. lol

Personally, I think Marleau has had more of a positive impact on the physical game than Murray and Clowe combined this season. Desi also. Losing Clowe and Murray just because they will on a rare occasion throw down the gloves doesn't mean others can't step up. Desjardins has handled himself when the time came to answer the bell. Wingels has done it. Stuart has done it. Hell, Thornton threw down. That aspect of the game isn't going to be the difference between winning or losing right now. Turnovers will be and puck play style in general will.

The team needs to be quicker and stretch the ice more. That will help the breakouts. And when they get a quality zone entry, they need to take it to the net as quickly as they can instead of always relying on the cycle. Neither Clowe nor Murray help in either regard.

 

[Nighthock]

Stopped taking this seriously after reading "Bruce G ..." But anyway, if true, I wouldn't call it panic mode ... more common sense than anything else.

1) Rumors say Clowe, Murray, Handzus available.

2) fans start dreaming of trading them for picks and prospects.

3) DW trades Jason Demers for Mark Eaton and Irwin/2nd for Sergei Gonchar.

Okay, I laughed at this. Then I sobbed.

I'm pro-Viktor Stalberg. Dude has speed and a shoot-first mentality.

Completely agree. We already have his brother hostage ... he has to love it here.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Returning Burns to defense, I think, will significantly help the breakout. So will a healthy Martin Havlat. So would benching Murray, playing Demers, benching Clowe, playing Galiardi. There is the personnel to turn this around. I'm just not sure I want to.

 

[PlaywithGutz*]

I have been a big JT for what he did for the #'s and if it wasnt for him guys like Cheechoo, Pavs and Marleau wouldnt have been corn fed for so long and SJ would have been scraping to get into the PO's...Numbers speak for themselves ..take a look at SJ's all time points leaders and the time it took to get there..it speaks volumes..

I am not saying that JT competes to the level that i would like or what is needed but he is elite in his skill set..

 

[Juxtaposer]

Completely agree. We already have his brother hostage ... he has to love it here.

I really hope Sebastian makes the show. Definitely far from a guarantee but he has a chance. Even if it's just one game, having the brothers on a line would be awesome.

 

[Evincar]

You were blaming Patrick Marleau and Joe Thornton for why the Sharks losing, despite the fact that they are 2nd and 1st respectively in scoring on the Sharks? Yeah, I'm having a hard time believing you know much of anything about hockey.

Dustin Brown is the king of inconsistent. He had one good playoff run and now he's a superstar. He's a product of Anze Kopitar.

Thornton and Marleau deserve at least some criticism since most of their numbers came in the first 5 games and they are leaders of the team.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Thornton and Marleau deserve at least some criticism since most of their numbers came in the first 5 games and they are leaders of the team.

Nobody is exempt from criticism at this point but some are worse than others. Thornton is still putting up points as he's had I think 14 points since the 5th game of the season. Marleau's had 9 points in the 22 games since the 5th game of the year. They've only scored 37 goals since that time. And those two have 7 of them, I think.

They both deserve criticism to a certain extent. Marleau is not producing consistently on the score sheet...that isn't surprising. He's been that way his entire career. At least he is engaged practically every game and paying attention to details when he's not putting pucks in the net this go-around.

Thornton's criticism from me is well-documented. I don't like his comments disregarding the desire from the coaches and GM about shooting the puck and I don't like his play style because he is a selfish player by not shooting the puck. I didn't think it was possible for someone to get to that point but I believe Jumbo has.

Even with all of that, I still don't think they're the root of the problems with this year's team. Their breakouts are awful, conservative, easy to defend, and stubborn with not changing it and using certain personnel who shouldn't be on the ice, let alone handling a puck.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

This thread blew up. Trade everyone.

 

[19sharks19]

Look, I like Dustin Brown, but the guy is one of the biggest doofus's in the league. Have you ever actually even seen an interview with the guy? I have no idea how the King's won with Dustin as their captain, but I'm pretty sure it was more of a winning despite him being captain, not because of it. He's certainly not anywhere near the same caliber of players as Marleau or JT, or even Couture. He's closer to Pavelski, but I'd still take Pavelski as a captain before Brown.

You are just spouting out one platitude after another without actually saying anything of value. If you want to make an argument that Joe Thornton is not a good captain, it's easy to do, but you are doing it horribly wrong.

Good question HB. Guessing it didn't hurt in the Kings having one of the hottest goalies in hockey last season (ala Thomas two seasons ago) and the bringing in of Carter (and Richards). Us; we had an incredibly inconsistent goalie in Niemi and our big moves were bringing in (Burns), Winnik and Galiardi and Moore (albeit, understandibly Moore was mentally elsewhere). The major difference being in goal of course. HUGE difference.
Yeh, a little different.

 

[glasgow26]

DW is in panic mode?

I'll believe that when me **** turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.

 

[Crafton]

compare a guy like Dustin Brown to our top guys...that should give you a barometer...

Brown was dangled at the deadline. many speculate that the swirling trade rumors (whether real or ingeniously manufactured) are what got his 'rear in gear'. not quite the bastion of leadership that you make him out to be.

 

[PlaywithGutz*]

DW is in panic mode?

I'll believe that when me **** turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.

ha nice...do you like carrot cake?


what would you do if DW brought back Soupy?...

 

[Karlzz22]

Look, I like Dustin Brown, but the guy is one of the biggest doofus's in the league. Have you ever actually even seen an interview with the guy? I have no idea how the King's won with Dustin as their captain, but I'm pretty sure it was more of a winning despite him being captain, not because of it. He's certainly not anywhere near the same caliber of players as Marleau or JT, or even Couture. He's closer to Pavelski, but I'd still take Pavelski as a captain before Brown

I think Richards had a huge part in this. Wasn't a captain in Philly for no reason.

 

[PlaywithGutz*]

Returning Burns to defense, I think, will significantly help the breakout. So will a healthy Martin Havlat. So would benching Murray, playing Demers, benching Clowe, playing Galiardi. There is the personnel to turn this around. I'm just not sure I want to.

I wouldnt return Burns to D EVER....or at least until he isnt the hardest working F out there...the kid is having fun competing. Havlat IMO is wasting CAP and isnt the type of player SJ wants going forward. he would be good for 1 mil to 1.3 but that is it...too soft on the puck, doenst have the #'s and is injury prone. DW MOD should buy MH out.

Demoting Murray i somewhat agree with but you need him on the ice right now...the D is soft physically besides Stuey.

Clowe i would agree..brutal but plays with a TON of passion.

Galiardi who???

Look, i somewhat agree with this team and the possibilities but we have listened to this record before...the spark this season is even less than seasons before and it is a shortened season at that...and these guys seem to have lost the spark...turnover is needed.

 

[AstroDan]

SJ was flat out of the gate last night and had zero resiliance.these guys dont believe in each other or Toddr...Toddr doesnt understand why but DW knows why...it is DW's mess

Who are you?

 

[Alwalys]

People I would blame for the Sharks sucking before Marleau or Thornton:

-Clowe
-Murray
-McLellan
-Handzus
-DW
-Robinson
-Pavelski
-McLellan
-Havlat
-Vlasic
-McLellan
-DW

Pretty much this, a bomb of ignorance dropped in this thread.

Thornton and Marleau deserve at least some criticism since most of their numbers came in the first 5 games and they are leaders of the team.

If by some you mean the least out of everyone on the team or in management, sure.

 

[hohosaregood]

Pretty much this, a bomb of ignorance dropped in this thread.



If by some you mean the least out of everyone on the team or in management, sure.

You have to admit that Thornton has had some really bad games this year. Marleau, on the other hand, has been pretty great as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

You have to admit that Thornton has had some really bad games this year. Marleau, on the other hand, has been pretty great as far as I'm concerned.

Thornton has had a few flat out bad games but I can't remember a year where i've seen him had as many bad shifts in individual games as this year.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

I wouldnt return Burns to D EVER....or at least until he isnt the hardest working F out there...the kid is having fun competing. Havlat IMO is wasting CAP and isnt the type of player SJ wants going forward. he would be good for 1 mil to 1.3 but that is it...too soft on the puck, doenst have the #'s and is injury prone. DW MOD should buy MH out.

Demoting Murray i somewhat agree with but you need him on the ice right now...the D is soft physically besides Stuey.

Clowe i would agree..brutal but plays with a TON of passion.

Galiardi who???

Look, i somewhat agree with this team and the possibilities but we have listened to this record before...the spark this season is even less than seasons before and it is a shortened season at that...and these guys seem to have lost the spark...turnover is needed.