Dustin Schwartz the most lopsided vote in history

[CornKicker]

Revolutionary technique helped Dubnyk rebound

I mean Dubnyk quite clearly went to a new technique so ya it was kind of magic coaching that was quite rare at the time

i think the word revolutionary is being applied pretty liberally here.

from teh article is exactly what i was talking about earlier

""You discover you have to move a whole lot less than you used to feel you need to. It's such small movements forward and just closing off the angle of the puck, and when you start to realize that and you realize how big you are when you put yourself in the right position -- and that's a big part of it -- you start to feel comfortable and then you can be patient on your feet. You can sit there and let plays happen in front of you and not be going down early, and everything kind of comes with it once you realize how big you are.""

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

I feel like if a guy named @fancy dan votes for something i should take a second look.

 

[fuswald]

I feel like if a guy named @fancy dan votes for something i should take a second look.

 

[foshizzle]

omg fire ... fire to the moon, and then nuke it.

PS, smith trained away from him last summer.

It wasn’t just the training- there was an overhaul of Smith’s mechanics (glove positioning- surprise surprise) was one of the issues. They worked on getting his hand positioning away from his body freeing up his quick hands and keeping his body more upright so he isn’t on his belly. Talbot also trained away from Schwartz during his MVP like season. Ironically- Talbot had an incredible year this past season training with Frederic Chabot

 

[foshizzle]

I could be wrong cuz I obviously could be misremembering what I've seen over the last 7 years he's been our goalie coach but, it seems (aside from Smith who hired his own goalie coach) all the goalies that Schwartz gets his hands on develop the same issues over time. Fire him asap and hire Roloson.

You nailed it. It’s not some shocking news that a Schwartz coached goalie letting in the first shot of the game.

 

[The Trash Man]

I wonder if Smith could be a decent goalie coach after his contract is up
Just thinking out loud

 

[Dr Awesome]

It’s about time to go in a new direction

 

[rboomercat90]

I’m shocked this isn’t a unanimous result.

 

[jukon]

The whole Pittsburgh vs NYI series they were talking about Jarry's glove hand and how everyone should shoot glove side.

Jarry ofc trains with Schwartz.

The only good thing I can say about the guy is I love his smoked meat sandwich.

 

[brentashton]

I think anyone voting to keep him should have their fan card forcibly removed

And shoved up their hoo haa

 

[Patch101]

I’m shocked this isn’t a unanimous result.

Don't worry its probably Schwartz himself and his +1

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Lots said about the Smith renaissance with his great year last year and the player referenced putting in the work off-season to address elements of his game. Personally, I think this is more normal practise of Smith whose done this throughout his career and this mindset is in part why he's been able to sustain a strong career. He puts in the work and is always working on his game.

I dug up the following article from 2015 which mentions Smith's off season work including "This summer, Smith will return to Toronto to work with goalie coach Jon Elkin, who has mentored Smith since he was 12 years old."
Arizona Coyotes' Mike Smith changing offseason training plan to prevent slow start in 2015-16

My point is Smith's off-season work with 'his guy' is quite likely more normal Smith commitment, trust and routine then it is a rejection of the work of Schwartz. This is a guy who has always looked for that extra edge putting in the work to sustain and/or grow his game.

The Oilers have been a pretty weak team with a lot of roster deficiencies for a long time. Defense was most definitely a problem area which doesn't help bring out the best in goaltending. Poor forward support in the d-zone was also an issue for a long while. Now recycling older goalies like an established Koskinen (warts and all) and the ageless Mike Smith hasn't exactly been a banner strategy either. But this team the last two years under a strong coaching group and maturing young core have produced solid PK and goals against average. Personally I think Koskinen's weakness is as much or more mental as it is poor technical skills. A player that at his age and development is simply not going to reinvent his ability to become more than a sub-average to average #2 backup.

I don't think we have enough information to fully assess and evaluate Schwartz's coaching ability.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Another guy the Oilers put no effort into hiring. Turf him.

 

[Oilslick941611]

I think it's pretty hard to argue Schwartz has had a positive impact on the Oilers considering all the goalies that came to us, faltered and went on to other teams and have played better than when there here. ie Dubnyk, Talbot, Broissoit

 

[McDoused]

They seem to value his scouting and matchup stuff, so promoting him to "Goalie Consultant" or whatever and hiring someone else to actually work with the goalies seems like a really obvious move.

I came in here to post pretty much the same thing. Hes good at fundamentals and should be the oil kings goalie coach but lacks the experience of what goalies need at the next level. Even if he stays in his role and they hire a Sr. Goaltender coach that he reports to would be ideal.

 

[NotAVacuumSalesman]

He's been with the org since 2010 (goaltending coach for Oil Kings) then hired by the big club on Nov. 2014.

As much as I want him gone; this org has too many nice guys. It seems they're into building relationships, strong work ethics, reputation, character guy, etc than being result driven. They're not firing him unless he pulls a Dusty Imoo.

I doubt they'll fire him barring some crazy collapse to the team.

 

[Porkleaker]

lmfao, I just watched this movie today. And I mean out of all the movies.

 

[Porkleaker]

I've been ranting and raving on twitter and facebook and here and reddit and anywhere I can get the message out. Fire Schwartz into the f***ing sun! He was never qualified. Talbot was great for a season and the playoffs ufhghh.. Koskinen started later but still managed to get something like 4 shutouts and was a better goalie. Now he plays way too deep in his net, can't track pucks and is exceptionally weak glove side oh and all those first shots on net, same thing with Talbot. Did anyone get a chance to see Talbot vs Vegas? That's pretty much what it was and I missed him, he's not done yet. After the play-ins Smith used another coach and was great last season. Hire the guy who coached him. I'd prefer they demote Dustin Schwartz to a managerial position at a nearby McDonald's but I bet even that would fail miserably. Face it, the guy is a failure! If they don't replace him there's no point even watching.

 

[Smartguy]

i think the word revolutionary is being applied pretty liberally here.

from teh article is exactly what i was talking about earlier

""You discover you have to move a whole lot less than you used to feel you need to. It's such small movements forward and just closing off the angle of the puck, and when you start to realize that and you realize how big you are when you put yourself in the right position -- and that's a big part of it -- you start to feel comfortable and then you can be patient on your feet. You can sit there and let plays happen in front of you and not be going down early, and everything kind of comes with it once you realize how big you are.""

Burke is a goalie guru, who focuses on more of the mental game, he’s credited with many goalies finding their game again. Dubnyk and Smith to name a few. He just doesn’t want to get branded as a goalie coach as he has upper management aspirations. Rumor was he impressed Edmonton when he interviewed for the job Holland ultimately got. I’m assuming the Habs paid a pretty penny for him this past season and also had to give him the “director” title when essentially he’s their top goalie coach. Curious to see if Price can find his regular season game again under Burke

Edmonton is one of the few teams who for 1. Hired a goalie coach from the university program, 2. Rarely shows any interest in addressing the issue of goalie development in the organization that’s plagued them since the 80s

 

[BudBundy]

I didn’t vote for either as I’m loathe to hiring a goalie coach just because he was a goalie.

That said, I would have no problem with Schwartz getting punted. As much as goalies are voodoo and are often the product of the team in front of them, there is now a long and distinct record of goalies not fixing their specific shortcomings here, either regressing after being here a while, or improving after they’ve left. When enough random trials keep arriving at the same poor conclusion, I think it’s time to say he’s had his chance and didn’t make the grade.

 

[Del Preston]

Looks like Schwartz has seven different accounts on here, which is against site rules and will hopefully be dealt with by the admins soon.

 

[Ginger Papa]

as someone who has coached multiple high level goaltenders including the collegiate and WHL I have no idea how he has kept his job. the goalies either dont respond or react to his teachings or they do and his methods and teachings are trash. either way he is an ineffective coach.

Literally could stop 2/3 of the top corner glove hand goals on koskinen if he would hold his glove 1-2 " closer to the shooters.

I sub out the goalie coaching with the older kids now because i had the realization that because i dont have the professional experience i wasnt qualified to offer guidance at that level. but its not a coincidence that a goalie like dubnyk who struggled here terribly (and in mtl, nash phx as well) but then got to minnesota and became a rock. it wasnt some magic coaching, they allowed him to limit his movement and play more of a blocking style than an athletic style. Goalies over 6'3 - 6'4 and especially ones that are 6'7 should use minimal movements. They literally cover 75% of the net when in their full butterfly. Coming out 6-10" out of the crease makes that number mid 80s%. It can be harder for big goalies to track the puck because of their size (opposite of a Saros who can peak around the hips and legs of other players while still staying in a reactionary ready position) so they should be top of the crease to let the shots hit them. the more big goalies move the more holes they create, especially down low. If i was koskinens coach i would be working exclusively on rebound reactions and use of the glove hand.

when i mentioned holding his glove out further from his body i would encourage anyone to watch pekke rinne in a shootout. as the player gets closer to the net he brings his glove hand out and almost palm down to prevent any player from going roof on him.

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i didnt watch talbot much so cant comment on that, but for smith he looked be relying more on blocking saves than athletic ones. this is probably due to his age i would imagine the coach teaching him to minimize the unnecessary movements and only rely on your athleticism when you need to. I thought last year Smith looked way more calm in the net than he used to. 2017 smith would come out super aggressive on the original shot and make highlight real saves or attempts on the rebounds. This year he seemed more calm and focused on rebound control instead of rebound reactions. with his age and injury history it makes sense to play lower risk

carter hart spent the covid offseason with schwartz and lost his starting job to brian elliot LOL if thats not enought to make up someone mind i dont know what is lol

i think the word revolutionary is being applied pretty liberally here.

from teh article is exactly what i was talking about earlier

""You discover you have to move a whole lot less than you used to feel you need to. It's such small movements forward and just closing off the angle of the puck, and when you start to realize that and you realize how big you are when you put yourself in the right position -- and that's a big part of it -- you start to feel comfortable and then you can be patient on your feet. You can sit there and let plays happen in front of you and not be going down early, and everything kind of comes with it once you realize how big you are.""

Really appreciate your thoughts. As others have mentioned, thanks for your contributions. On the Canucks Board we have @mossey3535 who shares a lot of insight. As an old Goalie I’m always fascinated by the Trade.

I don’t have my Like privileges back for another couple of weeks so this will have to do:

 

[fuswald]

Looks like Schwartz has got his hands on Skinner. Like all our goalies has to let in the first shot.

 

[OilersSnowFan]

Looks like Schwartz has got his hands on Skinner. Like all our goalies has to let in the first shot.

Skinner been with Schwartz for a long time though

 

[fuswald]

How about now to fire the goalie coach?

This pole is one of the most lopsided I've seen.