Value of: Duclair and Hanzal to Montreal

[WrinkledPossum]

That's not what teams trade for rentals and struggling young players though. Why should Hanzal get a quality return when rentals like Hossa and Kovalchuk get quantity returns?

Hanzal will get a 1st+

We don't need to trade Duclair, and we aren't looking to. If you want both it's gonna cost you. And we aren't gonna move him for a bunch of lesser prospects or a bunch of picks. It would be Duclair+ something for someone better. Or someone of the same value, who would benefit from a change of scenery.

 

[rt]

So more than Kessel went for after he scored 36 for Boston?

Juulsen and two 25-30 picks is better than Seguin and Hamilton? Heh?

 

[Prairie Habs]

Juulsen and two 25-30 picks is better than Seguin and Hamilton? Heh?

That's not how trading draft picks works.

Also, its hilarious that the only time the Habs get any respect on this board is when people are valuing our draft picks.

 

[rt]

That's not how trading draft picks works.

Also, its hilarious that the only time the Habs get any respect on this board is when people are valuing our draft picks.

Huh? I think MTL is a really good team.

 

[glenbuis]

hanzal only makes 3.1 gallagher makes 3.75

 

[euhchepas]

hanzal only makes 3.1 gallagher makes 3.75

and gallagher lowest point production is 41 points in 81 games (or 28 points in 44 games, pace for 52 points), he had 40 in 53 games last year, that's a 62 points pace. What's your point.

Are you really comparing a first line winger to Hanzal? Yes a 60 point pace is 1st line

gallagher has been terrible for the last 20 games and he's still on pace to get 44 points wich would be better than hanzal best season

 

[Halla]

How about Gallagher for Hanzall and Duclair? Cap it is equal, and MTL gets size at C as well as scoring potential at RW. AZ gets gritty RW who brings character and grit to a struggling young team.

yotes probably laugh at this. a 5'8 40-45pt winger isnt worth duclair, let alone hanzal as well.

 

[Halla]

Hanzal will get a 1st+

We don't need to trade Duclair, and we aren't looking to. If you want both it's gonna cost you. And we aren't gonna move him for a bunch of lesser prospects or a bunch of picks. It would be Duclair+ something for someone better. Or someone of the same value, who would benefit from a change of scenery.

most likely. its only habs fans that think they can throw in a cap dump, C prospects, and a 2nd to grab a guy that is gonna be coveted at the deadline.

Vermette brought back a 1st + prospect. Ladd got Dano and a 1st.
McCarron/Juulsen/Scherbak + 1st would be a serious offer.

any combination of desharnais/plekanec/2nd isnt

 

[glenbuis]

and gallagher lowest point production is 41 points in 81 games (or 28 points in 44 games, pace for 52 points), he had 40 in 53 games last year, that's a 62 points pace. What's your point.

Are you really comparing a first line winger to Hanzal? Yes a 60 point pace is 1st line

gallagher has been terrible for the last 20 games and he's still on pace to get 44 points wich would be better than hanzal best season

Sorry but i wouldnt put gallagher in any deal for hanzal. I was just pointing out that he made more money than hanzal to the poster

 

[euhchepas]

yotes probably laugh at this. a 5'8 40-45pt winger isnt worth duclair, let alone hanzal as well.

your hate of the habs is just too much it's not healthy

Duclair is a 5'11 one time unidimentional 40 points winger that has 4 points in 24 games
Gallagher is a proven 50-60 points 2 way winger that has 14 points in 26 games

both are having a rough season, one is still a capable player the other isn't playing at nhl level

would you give kapanen + for half a year of hanzal? Juulsen is a similar prospect
would you trade kadri for duclair? and I would take Gallagher way before Kadri

 

[phantaztic]

your hate of the habs is just too much it's not healthy

Duclair is a 5'11 one time unidimentional 40 points winger that has 4 points in 24 games
Gallagher is a proven 50-60 points 2 way winger that has 14 points in 26 games

both are having a rough season, one is still a capable player the other isn't playing at nhl level

would you give kapanen + for half a year of hanzal? Juulsen is a similar prospect
would you trade kadri for duclair? and I would take Gallagher way before Kadri

Ah yes, the mystical "50-60 point proven" winger that has never hit 50 points

 

[Kaibur]

http://www.espn.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/43260/canadiens-desperately-seeking-scoring-with-galchenyuk-on-the-shelf

It’s important to note that the Coyotes, I believe, want a young NHL-ready player in any Hanzal deal, not a pick and/or younger prospect. It’s also possible Arizona tries to re-sign Hanzal. It’s really going to depend on the kind of offers the Coyotes get for him.

Not many centers on the market are going to have the impact he can have in the grind of a playoffs.

 

[hockeyheadlines]

yotes probably laugh at this. a 5'8 40-45pt winger isnt worth duclair, let alone hanzal as well.

Your offering Marner for Hanzal? Sounds like a good deal for Toronto.

 

[Oleg Petrov]

How about Gallagher for Hanzall and Duclair? Cap it is equal, and MTL gets size at C as well as scoring potential at RW. AZ gets gritty RW who brings character and grit to a struggling young team.

I don't hate this idea.....Would want Arizona to add a little piece as well.

 

[Benstheman]

Doesn't make sense for Habs.

We have no guarantees Duclair will be as good as gallagher.

If Arizona is calling quit on Duclair, it would be logic for them to go the route of a good prospect that plays in a position of weakness for them.

I would offer Juulsen (RHD) or McCarron (Center) for Duclair. I know Duclair is already in the NHL but seeing where Duclair's and Yotes season is going so far, i don't think they would mind trading him for a needed prospect that will be ready next year.

so Juulsen/McCarron for Duclair

and if Hanzal is in the deal

Juulsen/McCarron, DD and 1st (your choice of 2017 or 2018) for Hanzal and Duclair

 

[ck26]

I haven't read the whole thread but if you think you're getting 4 first round picks for Hanzal, the stuff must be really good in Arizona. I'm sure people have told you you're absolutely crazy

You didn't read the post either, because it's Hanzal and Duclair. Hanzal, a player we're trying to move. And Duclair, a player we're not trying to move.

As has been spelled out multiple times, Hanzal for McCarron and a pick. We're trying to move Hanzal. We would want McCarron. Big, young, talented forward. A pick to sweeten it.

What are you offering for Duclair? Duclair is on our team and is exactly the age / skill we need, so pony up. Coyotes need centers, and you don't really have any. Danault isn't terrible but he's on your roster. MacMillan and Audette are just guys. Offering wingers and defensemen and picks in the future is like me offering you a lifetime supply of Molson Canadian in exchange for your car. Maybe $40,000 worth of beer is worth more than your car, but why the heck do you need that much beer?

Coyotes need young, talented centers, not midget wingers with grit.

 

[hockeyheadlines]

You didn't read the post either, because it's Hanzal and Duclair. Hanzal, a player we're presumably trying to move. And Duclair, a player we're not trying to move.

As has been spelled out multiple times, Hanzal for McCarron and a pick. We're trying to move Hanzal. We would want McCarron. Big, young, talented forward. A pick to sweeten it.

What are you offering for Duclair? Duclair is on our team and is exactly the age / skill we need, so pony up. Coyotes need centers, and you don't really have any. Danault isn't terrible but he's on your roster. MacMillan and Audette are just guys. Offering wingers and defensemen and picks in the future is like me offering you a lifetime supply of Molson Canadian in exchange for your car. Maybe $40,000 worth of beer is worth more than your car, but why the heck do you need that much beer?

Coyotes need young, talented centers, not midget wingers with grit.

Sorry, that simply is not realistic for Montreal to go down this road. McCarron is 21 years old, same size as Hanzal and a lot tougher. We'll keep the kid, thanks.

 

[hototogisu]

most likely. its only habs fans that think they can throw in a cap dump, C prospects, and a 2nd to grab a guy that is gonna be coveted at the deadline.

Vermette brought back a 1st + prospect. Ladd got Dano and a 1st.
McCarron/Juulsen/Scherbak + 1st would be a serious offer.

any combination of desharnais/plekanec/2nd isnt

A 1st + B prospect for Hanzal like Vermette returned is plenty reasonable (wouldn't say Ladd has comparable value). Not a lot of people asking for that though. I don't think I consider either of the 3 prospects you named "B prospects" from Montreal's side.

 

[sheed36]

You didn't read the post either, because it's Hanzal and Duclair. Hanzal, a player we're trying to move. And Duclair, a player we're not trying to move.

As has been spelled out multiple times, Hanzal for McCarron and a pick. We're trying to move Hanzal. We would want McCarron. Big, young, talented forward. A pick to sweeten it.

What are you offering for Duclair? Duclair is on our team and is exactly the age / skill we need, so pony up. Coyotes need centers, and you don't really have any. Danault isn't terrible but he's on your roster. MacMillan and Audette are just guys. Offering wingers and defensemen and picks in the future is like me offering you a lifetime supply of Molson Canadian in exchange for your car. Maybe $40,000 worth of beer is worth more than your car, but why the heck do you need that much beer?

Coyotes need young, talented centers, not midget wingers with grit.

True or not but I read an article from the hockey news a few days ago that the Coyotes offered Duclair and a pick to the Flames for Dougie Hamilton. I guess this was the insulting offer for Dougie Hamilton that Burke spoke of in the media a few days ago.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/a...or-hamilton-swap-senators-seek-depth-up-front

 

[ck26]

True or not but I read an article from the hockey news a few days ago that the Coyotes offered Duclair and a pick to the Flames for Dougie Hamilton. I guess this was the insulting offer for Dougie Hamilton that Burke spoke of in the media a few days ago.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/a...or-hamilton-swap-senators-seek-depth-up-front

"Reportedly, 6 months ago, Duclair was offered for a big, young, skilled, right-handed, top-pairing defenseman" does not equal "Duclair is being shopped for Brendan Gallagher. Or David Desharnais. Or a pick."

Any chance Montreal have a big, young, skilled, right-handed, top-pairing defenseman signed long-term that they're looking to move?

 

[WrinkledPossum]

The rumored Duke+ for Hamilton deal makes sense. If he's getting moved it's for an upgrade. Not a bunch of smaller pieces.

And if you want Hanzal and Duclair it's gonna cost you a lot. The Coyotes also want quality over quantity. We have a lot of assets, we want to turn them into something now.

 

[sheed36]

"Reportedly, 6 months ago, Duclair was offered for a big, young, skilled, right-handed, top-pairing defenseman" does not equal "Duclair is being shopped for Brendan Gallagher. Or David Desharnais. Or a pick."

Any chance Montreal have a big, young, skilled, right-handed, top-pairing defenseman signed long-term that they're looking to move?

You said Duclair was a player the Coyotes weren't trying to move and I posted a link saying they did try to move him. I didn't say anything about offering Brendan Gallagher or David Desharnais for him.

The rumored Duke+ for Hamilton deal makes sense. If he's getting moved it's for an upgrade. Not a bunch of smaller pieces.

And if you want Hanzal and Duclair it's gonna cost you a lot. The Coyotes also want quality over quantity. We have a lot of assets, we want to turn them into something now.

Sure it makes sense for the Coyotes. Burke didn't think so though when he said the Flames were insulted by an offer for Hamilton and Dreger thinks this offer for Hamilton was it. No harm in trying I guess.

 

[hockeyheadlines]

The rumored Duke+ for Hamilton deal makes sense. If he's getting moved it's for an upgrade. Not a bunch of smaller pieces.

And if you want Hanzal and Duclair it's gonna cost you a lot. The Coyotes also want quality over quantity. We have a lot of assets, we want to turn them into something now.

I guess it depends who you're talking to. We might want Hanzal but not at any price. Duclair is a whole other trade.

You also have to look at it from our point of view, We need a 2C with size and grit. Hanzal fills only one of the boxes (my opinion), so we needn't overpay for his rental services.

 

[jacks*]

"Reportedly, 6 months ago, Duclair was offered for a big, young, skilled, right-handed, top-pairing defenseman" does not equal "Duclair is being shopped for Brendan Gallagher. Or David Desharnais. Or a pick."

Any chance Montreal have a big, young, skilled, right-handed, top-pairing defenseman signed long-term that they're looking to move?

Not for Duclair.