Value of: Duclair and Hanzal to Montreal

[Prairie Habs]

I would look hard at this only because I love Gallagher almost as much as Tippett hates Duclair. I think Tippett is Turrising Duclair. My strong preference would be to dump Tippett, but that seems unlikely.
Do you really need another winger anyway? Hanzal for McCarron and a pick. Seems like a win-win to me.

So we get to give up our top forward prospect to have another centre on IR?

Most I would do for Hanzal is a 2nd. Hopefully MB doesn't feel desperate and overpay.

 

[HuGo Sham]

McCarron + Juulsen + 1st rounders in both 2017 and 2018 and a 2nd rounder in 2017 for Duclair and Hanzel sounds a bit steep plus the cap hit doesn't work without a roster player going to Arizona. Basically its 4 first rounders (McCarron and Juulsen were both 1st rounders) and a second rounder for a rental and a young winger that is in a slump and has had one good full season in the NHL.

If I'm Montreal I respectively decline.

yeah they 'respectfully' decline. but still not sure it would be respectful. putting your delusions aside, here's what we know. calgary declined duclair+ for hamilton and coyotes want a young NHl forward for hanzal

work from there...

 

[HuGo Sham]

Why is MTL trading for both now and the future? Tony Duclair is already a huge part of the Coyotes' future, so unless you're willing to offer the Coyotes a bigger part of their future, you're going to have a tough time landing him. Add in Hanzal's value as a rental and I'm thinking McCarron + Juulsen + 2017 1st + 2017 2nd + 2018 1st.Isn't Gallagher an important part of your team? Don't you need him to compete for the Stanley Cup? Why the **** are you giving him away?

Coyotes don't need a small winger in exchange for Hanzal, let alone both of them. No interest whatsoever.

wow, painful post

 

[HabsDood]

So.. Gally, Chucky and Price, 50% retained plus 2017-2018 1st and 2nd for Duclair and Hanzal plus that other guy. Where do I sign?

 

[_Del_]

So we get to give up our top forward prospect to have another centre on IR?

Most I would do for Hanzal is a 2nd.

I'm pretty confident someone is going to beat that offer. Go fish Bozak out of Toronto. Or just take your lumps until DD and Galchenyuk return.

 

[_Del_]

So.. Gally, Chucky and Price, 50% retained plus 2017-2018 1st and 2nd for Duclair and Hanzal plus that other guy. Where do I sign?

I just assumed that since "that other guy" is on unconditional waivers for a buyout, that everything after that was bad satire

 

[XX]

I think you misread the title. It's asking the price of an injury prone center and a player with 1 goal this year not OEL.

Oh man, they must suck, based on how you describe them. Why are you trading for them if that's the case? Us lowly Coyotes fans would be lucky to get a 3rd for the package, no need to rub it in our face.

 

[nhlfan9191]

How about Gallagher for Hanzall and Duclair? Cap it is equal, and MTL gets size at C as well as scoring potential at RW. AZ gets gritty RW who brings character and grit to a struggling young team.

Your username is fire Therrien please yet with this post, you're showing you're much crazier then Therrien.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

The only way you get Hanzal and Duclair is if Sergachev, Galch, Gallagher, or Shaw are involved. Last 2 would need an add from MTL.

Trading the forwards likely wouldn't make any sense for the Habs.

So the deal would have to include Sergachev.

 

[Ginu]

Why is MTL trading for both now and the future? Tony Duclair is already a huge part of the Coyotes' future, so unless you're willing to offer the Coyotes a bigger part of their future, you're going to have a tough time landing him. Add in Hanzal's value as a rental and I'm thinking McCarron + Juulsen + 2017 1st + 2017 2nd + 2018 1st.Isn't Gallagher an important part of your team? Don't you need him to compete for the Stanley Cup? Why the **** are you giving him away?

Coyotes don't need a small winger in exchange for Hanzal, let alone both of them. No interest whatsoever.

I haven't read the whole thread but if you think you're getting 4 first round picks for Hanzal, the stuff must be really good in Arizona. I'm sure people have told you you're absolutely crazy

 

[Prairie Habs]

I'm pretty confident someone is going to beat that offer. Go fish Bozak out of Toronto. Or just take your lumps until DD and Galchenyuk return.

No interest in Bozak either. I'd gladly wait out the Galchenyuk injury rather than overpay for subpar players.

The only way you get Hanzal and Duclair is if Sergachev, Galch, Gallagher, or Shaw are involved. Last 2 would need an add from MTL.

Trading the forwards likely wouldn't make any sense for the Habs.

So the deal would have to include Sergachev.

If your car is in the shop for 6 weeks you don't take out a $30 000 dollar loan to buy a 2001 Pontiac Aztec. Its a temporary problem and the price faaaaar exceeds the value.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

No interest in Bozak either. I'd gladly wait out the Galchenyuk injury rather than overpay for subpar players.



If your car is in the shop for 6 weeks you don't take out a $30 000 dollar loan to buy a 2001 Pontiac Aztec. Its a temporary problem and the price faaaaar exceeds the value.

I don't get why Habs fans keep proposing deals for Hanzal when 90% of you don't think he has much value

 

[Prairie Habs]

I don't get why Habs fans keep proposing deals for Hanzal when 90% of you don't think he has much value

Its almost like we don't share a hive mind, its strange, I know...

 

[_Del_]

The only way you get Hanzal and Duclair is if Sergachev, Galch, Gallagher, or Shaw are involved. Last 2 would need an add from MTL.

Trading the forwards likely wouldn't make any sense for the Habs.

So the deal would have to include Sergachev.

Galchenyuk and Gallagher are clearly worth more than Hanzal. I can't see Montreal's motivation to move Galchenyuk for Hanzal and Duclair. Gallagher, maybe. The money they free up let's them make another add this year. They let DD walk this summer and maybe use the money on Hanzal. I'm not sure why the Coyotes do this other than pure value, because it isn't a great fit.
Sergachev for Hanzal and Duclair? Doubtful. Unless they're moving a lot of dead or mostly dead cap to AZ, too. I wouldn't really do it from AZ's perpective, but I would probably hard pass from a MTL point of view, too.
Shaw and Hanzal probably aren't terribly far apart value wise. I still think Hanzal gets a fair ransom from someone because of the matchup problems he brings. If it's not Montreal, it will be a WC team that sees him all the time and knows what he brings to the table.

 

[_Del_]

I'd gladly wait out the Galchenyuk injury rather than overpay for subpar players.

Fair, but I'm not sure how Hanzal gets lumped into "subpar players".

 

[WrinkledPossum]

Galchenyuk and Gallagher are clearly worth more than Hanzal. I can't see Montreal's motivation to move Galchenyuk for Hanzal and Duclair. Gallagher, maybe. The money they free up let's them make another add this year. They let DD walk this summer and maybe use the money on Hanzal. I'm not sure why the Coyotes do this other than pure value, because it isn't a great fit.
Sergachev for Hanzal and Duclair? Doubtful. Unless they're moving a lot of dead or mostly dead cap to AZ, too. I wouldn't really do it from AZ's perpective, but I would probably hard pass from a MTL point of view, too.
Shaw and Hanzal probably aren't terribly far apart value wise. I still think Hanzal gets a fair ransom from someone because of the matchup problems he brings. If it's not Montreal, it will be a WC team that sees him all the time and knows what he brings to the table.

Those players I listed would be the only ones I'd expect us to be interested in if we were to move both Hanzal and Duclair. No one else would do anything for our team. We want quality not quantity.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Galchenyuk and Gallagher are clearly worth more than Hanzal. I can't see Montreal's motivation to move Galchenyuk for Hanzal and Duclair. Gallagher, maybe. The money they free up let's them make another add this year. They let DD walk this summer and maybe use the money on Hanzal. I'm not sure why the Coyotes do this other than pure value, because it isn't a great fit.
Sergachev for Hanzal and Duclair? Doubtful. Unless they're moving a lot of dead or mostly dead cap to AZ, too. I wouldn't really do it from AZ's perpective, but I would probably hard pass from a MTL point of view, too.
Shaw and Hanzal probably aren't terribly far apart value wise. I still think Hanzal gets a fair ransom from someone because of the matchup problems he brings. If it's not Montreal, it will be a WC team that sees him all the time and knows what he brings to the table.

Gallagher makes less than Hanzal.

Fair, but I'm not sure how Hanzal gets lumped into "subpar players".

Never healthy. Turns 30 in 2 months and has never hit 20 goals or more than 41 points. Prorate all you want, its the points that actually go on the board that actually matter.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Those players I listed would be the only ones I'd expect us to be interested in if we were to move both Hanzal and Duclair. No one else would do anything for our team. We want quality not quantity.

That's not what teams trade for rentals and struggling young players though. Why should Hanzal get a quality return when rentals like Hossa and Kovalchuk get quantity returns?

 

[rt]

Hanzal(50%) for McCarron

Duclair for Juulsen+'17 1st+'18 1st

 

[HuGo Sham]

Hanzal(50%) for McCarron

Duclair for Juulsen+'17 1st+'18 1st

lolz hard pass from bergevin

 

[Prairie Habs]

Hanzal(50%) for McCarron

Duclair for Juulsen+'17 1st+'18 1st

So more than Kessel went for after he scored 36 for Boston?

 

[John B]

yeah they 'respectfully' decline. but still not sure it would be respectful. putting your delusions aside, here's what we know. calgary declined duclair+ for hamilton and coyotes want a young NHl forward for hanzal

work from there...

Thank you respectfully is the word I was looking for.lol

 

[jacks*]

Hanzal(50%) for McCarron

Duclair for Juulsen+'17 1st+'18 1st

What can i say.

 

[jacks*]

The only way you get Hanzal and Duclair is if Sergachev, Galch, Gallagher, or Shaw are involved. Last 2 would need an add from MTL.

Trading the forwards likely wouldn't make any sense for the Habs.

So the deal would have to include Sergachev.

OMG. In what world is Hanzal and Duclair worth Galchenyuk .

 

[rt]

Meh. Juulsen is fine. Late 1st round D USUALLY bust. And at a pretty high clip. I like the prospect but he's got long odds.

Duclair already popped in 20g as a rookie on one of the league's most pathetic offenses. He's got the NHLs worst head coach right now, but when his tire fire team of moron capitulates to the idiot Tippett and trades him to a decent team, I suspect he'll score 20+ another 5+ seasons in his career.

Out of Juulsen and the two 1sts (MTL will be good the next couple of years) the coyotes would be very lucky to get anything that good out of the lot. I mean, maybe. It's possible. Is it likely? Probably not.