AngelDuck
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Remember, half the board said that Troy Terry wasn’t worth the contract we gave him last year
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Last year he was not worth the contract we gave him.
I thought Terry wasn’t nearly as bad last year as the board sentiment would indicate. I think his raw stats bear that out as well. Was anybody good last year outside Vatrano? I mean Terry was literally one of our better players last year even if it wasn’t as good as other seasons he’s had.
And he’s been fantastic so far this year, our best player outside Dosty imo.
And he’s been fantastic so far this year, our best player outside Dosty imo.
AngelDuck
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He was though. 7 million is not as much as it used to be and he played at a 60 point pace on an awful team
And also, there were plenty of people saying the 7 year deal was a mistake.
Killorn is the one boat anchor contract we have. Big mistake there by Verbeek and it’s being compounded by forcing him with carlsson
FiveTacos
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Just as a point of reference, the 91-92 Nords finished with 52 points in 80 games, and that was an IMPROVEMENT. But they already had:
Sakic, 22
Sundin, 20
Nolan, 19
Leschyshyn, 22
Foote, 20
They didn't break out until the following year. And then regressed to back under .500 the year after that.
The NHL is hard. Even high picks and future stars don't put it together as a team when they're still so young, despite flashing talent individually.
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I appreciate the resilience of this team. In a game where they got caved in, they didn't give up.
That said, this was embarrassing and, in most other ways, discouraging. Particularly from a coaching aspect, the Ducks had no answer to get the puck out of the zone, or to stop Colorado through the neutral zone, or to sustain pressure. Just ugly.
From a player standpoint, there were a few bright spots (Terry, Dostal, ummm maybe Carlsson), but there were some very disappointing performances. Killorn looks like a corpse. He's awful. McTavish, after a positive game, looked bad again. Harkins and Johnston were so, so terrible. I never want to see them in a Ducks sweater again. Fabbri had a rough game.
I can only hope that was an aberration.
That said, this was embarrassing and, in most other ways, discouraging. Particularly from a coaching aspect, the Ducks had no answer to get the puck out of the zone, or to stop Colorado through the neutral zone, or to sustain pressure. Just ugly.
From a player standpoint, there were a few bright spots (Terry, Dostal, ummm maybe Carlsson), but there were some very disappointing performances. Killorn looks like a corpse. He's awful. McTavish, after a positive game, looked bad again. Harkins and Johnston were so, so terrible. I never want to see them in a Ducks sweater again. Fabbri had a rough game.
I can only hope that was an aberration.
TheGoodShepard1
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Dostal gets the net tomorrow, Reimer can draw the San Jose assignment Tuesday night.
Hockey Duckie
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What we saw last night is more or less what I expect from the team defensively. It's our offense that has me scratching my head raw.
I don’t think we will see these kinda games as much as last year. It was a difficult situation, lots of travel and then to end up in a high elevation area. Giving them the benefit of the doubt.
If they can take 3 points out of 4 in the next two game home stand , then will be happy, and will start to think they can put together a solid season. Still too early .
Again the PP, is a major issue. Don’t even know what else to even say at this point.
All Mighty
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Hockey Duckie
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3 out of 4 points could be feasible as we're facing potentially another team without a great netminder in the Kings and we face the Celebrini-less Sharks. I still wouldn't feel great about the outlook of our season beating up on Sharks and teams with not-so-great goalies. If we win convincingly, then optimism springs.
Clune might be a fine coach and probably is more modern than Brown - and if he's a better fit for Cronin, then great - but now i'm really skeptical that there will be any impact attributable to either of them with regards to the PP. IMO it's all about lack of execution, our PPs so far have been a splitting image with last year. even if/when the PP improves, i really don't think i'll be convinced that it had much to do with the change in assistants. Kings PP doing alright certainly doesn't hurt Brown either.
FiveTacos
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Coaching can help guide development and keep guys on the right path, but no coach can magically make a 20 year old develop into his future 24 year old self overnight.
And our best young guys played only a handful of games all together last year (what was it, about 8 games?). Can we really expect them to be as polished a unit as teams where the lynchpin guys have been together for years? Right now they look like what they look like ... talented kids still learning the game and each other.
A polished unit? I'd settle for "hey, it looks like they've probably played hockey before" over what we've been seeing on the powerplay.
Agree with all that, i guess i was just coming out in defense of Brown a bit with respect to the PP. I truly don't think he was holding them back
FiveTacos
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Yeah, but we have a triple whammy of young guys still developing their own games, have little experience playing with each other, and don't have any high level veteran PP teammates to help ease the transition. That's not a recipe for anything but a bad PP unit even with skilled youngsters.
Most important this year is that they stay healthy and build chemistry, and that things are at least improving after every 20 games or so. If that happens, then MAYBE by next year we can start thinking about average. For now we probably have to settle for sporadic flashes of individual talent.
Haven't read the GDT so maybe I'm in the minority but I am not remotely upset about the ugly game last night. The Avs needed to make a statement, coupled with us playing IN Colorado where the altitude can slow some players down.
Kings at home on Sunday will be a great opportunity to make a statement of our own - that's the type of game that I'd be disappointed to play like shit in.
Kings at home on Sunday will be a great opportunity to make a statement of our own - that's the type of game that I'd be disappointed to play like shit in.
Deuce22
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2-1-1 versus two good, one mid, and one bad team. The sky is falling and fire the coach. I’m actually pretty happy with this start. Doomsayers, please tell me where I’m wrong.
You're wrong because I would classify Vegas and Colorado as very good (minus Colorado's goalie situation, obviously) and Utah as good. They're averaging 4 goals/game.
The Midnight Burrito
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I’m not in the sky is falling/fire Cronin team yet, but the alarm comes from watching the games versus watching the standings.
Funny to see you switch places with your archnemesis Hockey Duckie on this one.
Deuce22
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Special teams are very concerning to me. I think even strength has been decent. I think Verbeek has done a good job of rebuilding and I’m agnostic on Cronin. Re HD, I got off the Murray/Eakins bus a long time ago.
I think we'd have faired a lot worse without Dostal. On the flip side, with even MIDDLING special teams I think we'd have done a LOT better.
Sorry didn't notice you posted again. Agreed on special teams and even strength as well (except last night).
FiveTacos
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The PK *should* suck ... Young guys don't typically play much on good units for a reason, plus we have no elite checking line types, and can't win faceoffs worth a crap. I can't think of any reason we should even be mediocre on the kill. We take the "goalie is your best penalty killer" thing to an extreme.
Reasons for the lousy PP we've gone over. Although faceoff suckage doesn't help there either.
Deuce22
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I don’t like the PK approach. Passive, no attempt to pressure the puck. Opponent can play with the puck and move it wherever they want to.
