Post-Game Talk: Ducks Spook Jets - 7-4

[tbcwpg]

Dallas did that? I don't think so.

Believe it or not, it happened.

 

[Spock]

Ahhhh, not so Mr Spock

I personally think that we have a very good roster with many who are not playing to their potential. Whether through their own play, line mate chemistry or coaching.

That is a fair argument. This early in the season an influx of players across the NHL are playing both above and below their mean. The argument that more Jets are playing below is strong.

Given the fact that the Jets players may not be in a position right now to play at their mean, based on a weakened supporting cast (coaching included) it becomes less likely that they not only regress (positively) to their mean, but play enough above it over the course of an 82 game season to make this team a contender.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Believe it or not, it happened.

My bad.
Completely forgot all of that. Or maybe never took them seriously enough to have paid any attention at the time.

I claim senior's moment immunity.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I doubt any coaching change will happen barring a full melt down by the team.....which is unlikely. Plus I wouldn’t even recommend one mid season, just ride it out till season ends then see what coaches are available. I see no one out there now that would excite as a coach that clearly is better then PMO. I would wait till the summer personally. MARLIES coach is interesting but would never come here and already makes an nhl salary.

I don't see any advantage to waiting until the season ends to make a coaching change. All you do is lose the opportunity of giving someone a trial as interim coach. The only availability change is that all the other failed coaches become available. They are still available after an in-season firing, as long as you don't rush to hire the first guy to come along.

 

[DannyGallivan]

Roslo still might be a Little replacement - maybe. I don't think it can be ruled out yet.

But what if what we really need is a 1C? Neither Little nor Roslo can be that. If Scheifele can't do that job any better than what he has been lately ...........

I'm not sounding alarms about Scheifele just yet. He was soaring for a few years, and at his age I'm certainly not concerned that he's washed up. Could just be a bit of a valley, could be a continuation of other issues we don't know about, who knows. However, he's still an elite player who's just doesn't seem to have his head in the game right now. He started the season off very well, he's on a slide now. This has happened to stars before, and it's usually the coach that goes before the player.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Josh TBD
TBD Buff/TBD
Our bottom pairing is fine.

Jets need worse case 2-3 top 4 D depending on Buff. Pionk/Niku I think can fill one of those positions with a strong partner. The Buff curveball has put Chevy in a tough spot and I don’t see any realistic long term solution this season to it. After this year Chevy will know if he needs 2 or 3 top 4 D based on Niku/Pionk/Buff and then this summer he needs to fill gaps via FA/trade. Forcing Ville into a nhl role now might not be best for his long term development.

Right off the bat, worst case is not 2 OR 3. There is no Buff in the worst case. So we need 3 Dmen, and not just any Dmen. We need 3 top 4 Dmen including at least a #2 RHD. That is a very tall order. In the second worst case we have Buff, but only until the end of next season and then he is gone. So we are right back to needing 3 top 4 Dmen.

If he fills one of the 3 spots via trade it is a zero sum game. We gain on D but lose at F. If he fills a spot via UFA signing we are cap constrained and likely need to lose a top F for cap management. I don't see any shortcuts unless we get lucky with an acquisition somehow.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'm not sounding alarms about Scheifele just yet. He was soaring for a few years, and at his age I'm certainly not concerned that he's washed up. Could just be a bit of a valley, could be a continuation of other issues we don't know about, who knows. However, he's still an elite player who's just doesn't seem to have his head in the game right now. He started the season off very well, he's on a slide now. This has happened to stars before, and it's usually the coach that goes before the player.

I agree, but I think the question is out there right now. He was off much of last season too. Still had some very good numbers and maybe it is nothing serious, or even nothing at all. But right now, it looks like something so it is a fair question.

My own guess is that it is related to being stapled to Wheeler. I'm not sure how it is related. They appear to want it that way. But I think he rebounds when that is changed.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Pretty damn gross that Maurice criticizes Connor in the postgame while saying Wheeler is playing well. Basically says all you need to know about the coach.

I thought he was pretty strongly supporting Connor. Said that he is so good that he gets 9 SOG in an off night.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I was adamant the team was broken last Christmas / New Years. Something happened. Typically, when this occurs the first scapegoat is the coach. So far that does not look like it I happening. Of course, WHO is there to replace Maurice even if it happened (too bad we did not jump at the chance to sign Trotz). Do you wait until the summer and hope to get Boudreau?

With the terrible 5 vs 5 downfall of this team I wonder if a BLOCKBUSTER has to happen first. Force Maurice to use new leaders and see if he can right the ship.

Could go that way. I have a hard time seeing Chevy making a blockbuster deal right now. But it could happen. We don't know exactly how difficult it would be for Chevy to fire Maurice. Maybe difficult enough that he decides to try the trade route first.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I don't think this season for the Jets means the window is closed permanently with this core group. And with Tampa, if anything, it's worse - the group should be better and has stumbled out of the gate this year so far.

TBL aren't doing nearly as badly as the Jets. Small stumble out of the gate is no big deal. They will climb up very soon. Jets are doing poorly and not looking good doing it.

 

[Tommigun]

It's about getting him to put in some effort, not about "serving him". Guy has been brutal this season.

It's most important to separate Scheifele and Wheeler no matter who it serves or doesn't.

But it is Maurice “who runs the bench”.

 

[Tommigun]

Say what you want about our patchwork Defense, but Morrissey was on the ice for 5 goals tonight.

Morrissey has had one good game in the entire season so far. He’s by far the biggest disappointment for me, much bigger than Wheeler’s recent play. I’m starting to wonder if he was a by-product of Trouba. I said in another thread that multiple times when there’s been a gaffe on the defense and I saw the number 4 I thought it was a rookie mistake by Heinola, just to see that it actually was 44! He needs to be better.

 

[wpgfishfan]

We do not even deserve most of our 6 wins this season.

Maurice should be gone before the season is over.

2 wins 7 losses 4 ties if schedule was like the old days. That usually gets someone fired

 

[Tommigun]

Top line: -11
“Second” line: +5

It almost looks like Connor got demoted being called up to the first line. He had what, 9-10 shots on goal? The only reason the top line got anything going was Connor, and even he wasn’t that great.

Ehlers is so frigging good!!! Every time he has the puck on his stick it feels like it could go in. Maurice HAS to start rewarding such good play with more ice time. I’m in the Maurice camp but he has to distribute the TOI better.

This team really missed Lowry and Laine last night, the Jets are crazy soft without their big hitters.

 

[The Blue Baron]

If you don't make the PO, you are in the lottery.

Ok sorry I meant our chances would suck the way we are going.

 

[SUX2BU]

Maybe it’s time to see what Lowry can do as a 2c

 

[Tommigun]

The bright spots I see with this years Jets, is emerging of Ehlers and Roslovic, starting to come of age. Little is also playing well, so they should keep that line together, and give Roslo a fast guy to play with. I think our offense is just fine -- no problem, especially once Wheeler and Scheifele get their act together.

Where we're very weak and vulnerable is on defence. The color commentator said Poolman was on the ice, for 6 of 7 goals, and you just can't have that. They allowed to many odd man rushes and breakaways, and that's what will happen. Add to that -- Helle was just plain awful tonight.

Just think we've lost just about "all" of our defensive core from last year, in Buff, Trouba, Myers and Chiarot --so should we expect anything different from AHL defenseman ? I don't think so. Should also mention we lost 2 great defensive players in Tanev and Armia, and apparently Armia has 8 goals already this year. We sure took a big blow to our roster last year.

Chevy is going to have to fix the defense, like make a trade --maybe for a guy like Laine, and bolster our defense again, or we'll have to wait a long time to rebuild it thru the draft. Right now, with this defense, we're likely around a 500 team, like the record shows.

In tonight's game Helle played awful --the 1st line did nothing, and the defense was pathetic, so hopefully with the Cap money they have, by Buff sitting out or retiring to his fishing shack --maybe we can sign a couple decent defenseman --we really need them.

I think if Chevy knew Buff was going to retire --he would have thrown more money at Myers and Chiarot, but he likely did not, so you can't really blame him. We're in a rebuild year or years, of our back end now -- big job ahead. Hope something happens here.

Ehlers-Little-Perreault
Laine-Scheifele-Wheeler
Connor-Copp-Roslovic
X-Lowry-Y

Balance ice time for the two top lines as Laine, Scheifele and Wheeler are playing a lot of PP and SH already.
The third line would be a speed line. I think Roslovic has earned a shot with better team mates.
Or swap Roslovic and Perreault and make the Scheifele line the top line.

 

[Howard Chuck]

That is a fair argument. This early in the season an influx of players across the NHL are playing both above and below their mean. The argument that more Jets are playing below is strong.

Given the fact that the Jets players may not be in a position right now to play at their mean, based on a weakened supporting cast (coaching included) it becomes less likely that they not only regress (positively) to their mean, but play enough above it over the course of an 82 game season to make this team a contender.

Is it weird that I just read that in Spock's voice?

 

[Gm0ney]

2 wins 7 losses 4 ties if schedule was like the old days. That usually gets someone fired

That's 4 extra wins for Maurice that a coach like Dick Irvin wouldn't have had a chance to earn (since he played before regular season OT was introduced).

 

[Gm0ney]

Maybe it’s time to see what Lowry can do as a 2c

He ain't it.

 

[Tommigun]

Poolman really took a dive with that -5..

(see what i did there)

That’s a byproduct of being on the ice with the top line last night.

 

[SUX2BU]

He ain't it.

Ok,

57.25%

good for 10th in the league

 

[tbcwpg]

TBL aren't doing nearly as badly as the Jets. Small stumble out of the gate is no big deal. They will climb up very soon. Jets are doing poorly and not looking good doing it.

They're under true .500, 5-4-2. If you give them a win and a loss to make up the difference in games, you get only two more points than the Jets, and those are the loser points. They aren't playing great. Vasilevski is sporting a .910. They might look a tad better than the Jets, but it's a bigger drop from last season to now for them comparatively.

 

[Gm0ney]

Ok,

57.25%

good for 10th in the league

57.25% what?

 

[Tommigun]

Maybe it’s time to see what Lowry can do as a 2c

Lowry’s game has gone south ever since his injury a couple of seasons back. I no longer think that Lowry is that good and no way should he get a shot at 2C. I’d even entertain giving Roslovic the chance given his recent play.