Post-Game Talk: Ducks Spook Jets - 7-4

[DannyGallivan]

My method, using the PVR avoids most of Sawyer as well as the commercials.

I start watching between 1 hr and 1:15 after game time. I skip all of the commercials, 90% of the between periods stuff and also use the 30 sec advance on quite a few of the stoppages. Icing is very often 30 secs or a little more, for example. Those are prime Sawyer time.

Edit: I usually finish about the same time as the game ends.

Exactly what I do. In my case it allows me to put the kid to bath and bed and maybe let the wine breath for 20 minutes. I have found myself fast-forwarding through a lot of the between-play colour commentary.

 

[DannyGallivan]

Sorry Helly. I know you like keeping things positive etc. , but when you are pulled from a game , it's not because you were a little off.... it's because you were a LOT off.

Fighting the puck the whole time, and that baffling rebound control (or lack thereof).

 

[Eyeseeing]

See my post above.

I see no change behind the bench worth doing on a perm basis until the summer.

That’s likely how it will go.
Mid season change depending on who is available can work but who is available?
We were a phenomenal team under Maurice a couple of seasons ago that’s not even arguable.
It’s simply time as we are trending in the wrong direction.
The team looks blah except for a few players

 

[ffh]

Because, like many NHL players, he isn't selfish and wants to win.

Well if this is true and he wants to win then why wouldn't he play some sort of defence and stop turning the puck over all over the ice in order to help the team win. This has been going on for a while. If he wants to win he should play the right way. 25 minutes a night I doubt he is upset at the coach.

 

[tbcwpg]

Well if this is true and he wants to win then why wouldn't he play some sort of defence and stop turning the puck over all over the ice in order to help the team win. This has been going on for a while. If he wants to win he should play the right way. 25 minutes a night I doubt he is upset at the coach.

Desire and ability are not the same thing. Does every player with deficiencies in their game not want to win?

 

[NotCommitted]

Again people will want to debate the return and strategy taken by the team. But IMHO the return was ok to good so far. Pionk is better then Ranger fans claimed (shocker a offensive Dman on a horrible defensive team & weak forwards looked bad analytically) and Ville is looking like a very good pick at 20OA.

People will complain about the 20th pick was ours to begin with and never should of been traded. Well ok sure, but GM’s around the NHL all do the same thing and go for it when there’s a chance to win. People will complain Trouba should been traded a 2-3 years ago, well maybe but what’s the Jets biggest need the last 4-5 years.....Dman. Chevy made the calculated risk/decision to keep Trouba hoping to sign him till this last summer to max his chances at a cup win knowing each year that passed would reduce Trouba’s return if traded. So the Jets got a big piece of Troubas value over his six years here on cheap contracts plus a #4/5 offensive puck moving D and Ville. I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything I’m just saying I understand Chevy logic there and I’m ok with his decisions & Trouba return.

I agree, keeping Trouba as long as possible was 100% the right move IMO. Getting Stastny was a great move, the 17-18 team with Stastny was really really good and if you make it to the conference finals, in today's league it pretty much means you're a SC capable team. It's just that to win the cup you really need everything to go together to make it possible. I didn't even oppose the Hayes signing, though in hindsight I would... but then again, the Jets lost to the eventual SC champions and it was a tight series.

But looking back now, the team seemingly peaked in 17-18, they should've been better in 18-19 but weren't. IMO the coach should've been fired mid-point last season or in the off-season at the latest. Overall, with what happened with D-core for this season, it's easy to rationally give Maurice the benefit of the doubt, but IMO that's wrong approach. The better question is, will Maurice be the coach that at this point in time can help the team outperform their on-paper roster and help develop the young guys and start shifting them towards leadership roles, our at least out of the "kids" box Maurice has put them in.

I think Chevy overall has done OK with the roster, though the D this year is not so great, but some of that is/was outside his control, like Buff & injuries. But he should get a coach to match the roster. Maurice had his chance.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Its hard to be positive about a 7-4 loss - but - For the 2nd game in a row we managed 40 shots or more in regulation. We didn't do it by playing pond hockey and giving up a similar number of shots.

We had some bad bounces, some iffy goaltending and some good shooting by the opposition. We had a couple of weak performances by Jets but all-in-all our patched together team played pretty well. Admittedly against a pretty weak opponent, but it wasn't all bad.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

CSW was great! Only 5 goals against. At least Connor had 9 shots on goal.

Nice paraphrase of Mau.

 

[Spock]

I really think we are underestimating our roster in the above conversations. We have a ton of talent, especially up front and that same group (essentially) won lots of games two years ago when we were decimated with injuries on Defence for portions of that year.

I think we are perfectly capable of competing this year, if everyone digs down and plays to their potential.

In theory, every team would compete if all of their players played to their potential.

 

[Tommigun]

We do not even deserve most of our 6 wins this season.

Maurice should be gone before the season is over.

This is on Chevy.

 

[Vekke]

I know he's not going to throw Wheeler under the bus, and he shouldn't, but again with the kids??? The kids were the best players tonight if Ehlers and Roslovic are the 'kids'.

He only throws kids under the bus..

 

[Gm0ney]

Again people will want to debate the return and strategy taken by the team. But IMHO the return was ok to good so far. Pionk is better then Ranger fans claimed (shocker a offensive Dman on a horrible defensive team & weak forwards looked bad analytically) and Ville is looking like a very good pick at 20OA.

People will complain about the 20th pick was ours to begin with and never should of been traded. Well ok sure, but GM’s around the NHL all do the same thing and go for it when there’s a chance to win. People will complain Trouba should been traded a 2-3 years ago, well maybe but what’s the Jets biggest need the last 4-5 years.....Dman. Chevy made the calculated risk/decision to keep Trouba hoping to sign him till this last summer to max his chances at a cup win knowing each year that passed would reduce Trouba’s return if traded. So the Jets got a big piece of Troubas value over his six years here on cheap contracts plus a #4/5 offensive puck moving D and Ville. I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything I’m just saying I understand Chevy logic there and I’m ok with his decisions & Trouba return.

I think most people were just underwhelmed with the return: a late 1st and a D prospect who hadn't performed well in the NHL.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

We need that Dallas owner that publicly chewed out Benn and Seguin last year to talk about 55 and 26.

and how has that worked out so far?

 

[slurpee addict]

Maurice should go. I don't care if the replacement for him is a stand-in for a few months or half a year. Quite frankly, if we can (and should) make the argument that a player should be benched or have his ice time reduced for under-performing, shouldn't that same argument hold for a coach that has under performed for nearly a year? It's very obvious that the problems are more than just on ice strategies, and player performances; there are numerous indications that there are dressing room issues as well (player hold-outs, trade demands, 'ruffled feathers' etc). Time for the management level above the coach to emphasis the importance of accountability and show some leadership. I love the jets, and always want them to succeed. That's what makes tough love so difficult, but so necessary.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Goes along with 55/26 on the ice for 4 of them.

5 by my count. 55/26 that is.

 

[ffh]

and how has that worked out so far?

The made the playoffs and beat nashville and took st. Louis to 7 games.

 

[kanadalainen]

If that happened in a Shakespeare play there would soon be a ghost in the cast.

Hamlet's Dad might fit the bill.

2C, or not 2C, that is but one question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous Mo coachin',
Or to take arms against a sea of injuries
Players from the Moose: send them.
To morally die—to cuss,
No more.
And by a-cussin' to say we subtend
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
This Jets-loyal flesh is heir to:
'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd.

 

[Howard Chuck]

In theory, every team would compete if all of their players played to their potential.

Ahhhh, not so Mr Spock

I personally think that we have a very good roster with many who are not playing to their potential. Whether through their own play, line mate chemistry or coaching.

 

[rkp]

Sadly I think you’re wrong here, team seems to be trending downward and towards another rebuild, what the hell happened?

Pomo and wheeler is what the hell happened...….never throws wheeler under the bus, refuses to break up schief/wheeler....etc....same old crap, and you know what they say about crap...it rolls downhill!

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

For some maybe......others who are focused on the big picture this year is nothing but a tiny dip in the upward trend of a team.

Or '15 and '18 are just upward blips in a steady field of mediocrity.

If this year is just restructuring I don't think it is a 1 year event. We have a D corps in need of a complete rebuild. That isn't going to be done just by adding a bunch of rookies over the next year.

Then we also need a top 6 C and a top 6 RW as well. Wheeler certainly appears to be fading and he will get worse every year from now on. Little still has something left in the tank, but also not for long.

We can see the path to strong 2nd and 3rd D pairs. Top pair, not so much. Roslovic looks ready to help out in the top 6 but we have nothing else on the horizon. The missing pieces can be acquired but I don't see us filling all those holes in 1 year. Even if we have the prospects, they need a year or two of experience, so we are looking at more like 3 years if all goes well.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Hamlet's Dad might fit the bill.

2C, or not 2C, that is but one question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous Mo coachin',
Or to take arms against a sea of injuries
Players from the Moose: send them.
To morally die—to cuss,
No more.
And by a-cussin' to say we subtend
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
This Jets-loyal flesh is heir to:
'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd.

Awesome.... missed these

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

He produced well early this season, which gave me hope that last year's woes were behind him. This is clearly the time that some adjustments need to be made by the coach. What's the definition of insanity again?

Nope. That definition is not what you think it is. The insane are perfectly intelligent. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is not a matter of sanity/insanity. It is a matter of smart/dumb.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The made the playoffs and beat nashville and took st. Louis to 7 games.

Dallas did that? I don't think so.

 

[kanadalainen]

Awesome.... missed these

I will ramp it up again.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

They seem to be years behind in defense. I don't think Heinola will help in a meaningful way for another couple of seasons. Niku...? Who knows? He could be a complete bust, a third pairing guy, or a 50 point guy. Pionk is better than I thought he'd be, but I don't see a huge ceiling. Morrissey is struggling to carry the big minutes without support. The rest of the d-men are just lucky to be in the NHL. And as well as Little has played since coming back from injury, in order to have the window re-open, a "real" replacement for him needs to be found at the second line center position (and I think any talk of Roso being that replacement is wishful thinking).

Roslo still might be a Little replacement - maybe. I don't think it can be ruled out yet.

But what if what we really need is a 1C? Neither Little nor Roslo can be that. If Scheifele can't do that job any better than what he has been lately ...........