Confirmed with Link: Ducks sign Nikita Nesterenko to ELC (2 years, $925K AAV)

[Leonardo87]

If he can play in the NHL at all, then the Klingberg experience wasn’t a total bust.

That’s how I feel. Give the kid a shot, can’t hurt , he has potential.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Yall are weird. Probably didnt want another Thrun/Schultz situation so enticed him to start in Anaheim. NBD.

I'm pretty sure the offer to start in Anaheim would have been extended to Thrun since we're doing that with LaCombe. As for Schutlz, I think my mind has blocked off that event and can't remember (or don't want to remember) much.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Replacing Klingberg is a pretty low bar.

John

It’s not replacing Klingberg.

It’s getting any return for the 5.5M or so they spent.

 

[190Octane]

It’s not replacing Klingberg.

It’s getting any return for the 5.5M or so they spent.

Reaching the cap floor and getting an asset also?

 

[forever1922]

Nesterenko, Mintyukov, Michkov, Galimov, & Buteyets. sound very nice together. The next Russian 5

Nesterenko might disagree with this assessment.

Wild News July 21, 2019

ST. PAUL -- You might be surprised to learn that Nikita Nesterenko hails from Brooklyn, New York.

You also might be surprised to learn that despite Nesterenko's parents immigrating from Russia in the 1990s, well before the 17-year-old was born, he doesn't speak much Russian.

 

[Anarchynate]

Nesterenko might disagree with this assessment.

Wild News July 21, 2019

ST. PAUL -- You might be surprised to learn that Nikita Nesterenko hails from Brooklyn, New York.

You also might be surprised to learn that despite Nesterenko's parents immigrating from Russia in the 1990s, well before the 17-year-old was born, he doesn't speak much Russian.

I knew he was American, but still has the Russian blood!

 

[Mr Rogers]

I wonder if he's actually of Ukrainian descent, definitely more of a Ukrainian last name

 

[Dryish]

This knowledge, sad as it is, makes me like the kid more. Good for him.

 

[All Mighty]

Derek Lee is everywhere.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I wonder how much scouting went into Nesterenko, If it was someone our scouts or pv were really high on.

He def has talent , and decent size… if he can become a middle 6 player that would be a pretty good + from a shitty situation with kling

 

[SoCal Dreaming]

Someone mentioned before or if it was in Ducks Migration... that PV scouted him for 3 years or so... prior to him becoming Ducks GM.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Wasn't PV high on Helleson last year too? The next Josh Manson?

 

[GreatBear]

Wasn't PV high on Helleson last year too? The next Josh Manson?

PV is going to be high on any prospect that he acquires. What do you expect him to say, "We got a really bad player in this trade"?

 

[Ducks DVM]

Wasn't PV high on Helleson last year too? The next Josh Manson?

Manson wasn’t an effective NHL player until he was 23, and even then was at the bottom of the ice time. Helleson turns 22 in 2P days, he’s still got some time.

…he says hopefully.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Manson wasn’t an effective NHL player until he was 23, and even then was at the bottom of the ice time. Helleson turns 22 in 2P days, he’s still got some time.

…he says hopefully.

Oh, I'm still hoping for the best. But it sure seems like everybody has been pretty disappointed on Helleson's season so far in SD.

One must also keep in mind, I believe, Helleson was the 6th rated prospect in the Avs less than highly regarded system. And I believe somebody said Nesterneko was the Wild's 21st rated prospect. By all means I'm still hoping for the best, but hearing that PV was high on these guys doesn't quite get past the snooze level on my excitement meter.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

PV is going to be high on any prospect that he acquires. What do you expect him to say, "We got a really bad player in this trade"?

Well, in the case of Helleson, it was more like he was the most valuable piece in the deal and the 2nd was a bonus. And now It's like oh, we got way more than a 4th for Kling, we got this really awesome prospect too.

It's more about the nuance of how the trades were presented.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

Oh, I'm still hoping for the best. But it sure seems like everybody has been pretty disappointed on Helleson's season so far in SD.

One must also keep in mind, I believe, Helleson was the 6th rated prospect in the Avs less than highly regarded system. And I believe somebody said Nesterneko was the Wild's 21st rated prospect. By all means I'm still hoping for the best, but hearing that PV was high on these guys doesn't quite get past the snooze level on my excitement meter.

I'm willing to somewhat write off this year for Helleson given nearly everyone in San Diego is having a bad year, which compounds things. Plus, it's his first pro year. Next year should be more telling in what we have with him.

 

[Mr Rogers]

pretty impressed with how he just generally moves around on the ice

 

[GermanRocket7]

Kid might actually be a kind of player who "mirrors" his teammates and becomes gradually better the better his teammates are. Certainly has some upside I honestly didn't expect in him whatsoever.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Oh, I'm still hoping for the best. But it sure seems like everybody has been pretty disappointed on Helleson's season so far in SD.

One must also keep in mind, I believe, Helleson was the 6th rated prospect in the Avs less than highly regarded system. And I believe somebody said Nesterneko was the Wild's 21st rated prospect. By all means I'm still hoping for the best, but hearing that PV was high on these guys doesn't quite get past the snooze level on my excitement meter.

I was very confused when Helleson transferred over from the Avs to the Ducks that he was more highly rated than Thrun and LaCombe. Here's the The Hockey News' Future Watch ranking from last year (I bought the mag, that's my source):

1. C McTavish​

2. G Dostal​

3. D Zellweger​

4. RW Perreault​

5. D Helleson <--- newly added​

6. LW Tracey​

7. D LaCombe​

8. RW Pastujov​

9. D Thrun​

10. D Moore​

I'm disappointed in Helleson because not only did Verbeek hype Helleson up, but the scouting media also did too. That was the standard I reset my thoughts on Helleson.

Feb 7: 42 games, 12 pts, and -19 rating​

Feb 8 - Mar 16: 11 games, 3 pts, +10 rating​

He's playing top pairing with MDZ as of late and his plus/minus rating has improved. Granted, when reading the SD recaps from Defend the Nest, it's MDZ's name that pops up often. At least Helleson will finish out the year with a proper vet to learn from. Next year, though, might give us a better assessment on Helleson's talent when we get a slew of defensemen coming over to the pro side.

The Manson age thing does have relevance, but Manson is also a 6th round, overager pick. Helleson is a 2nd round pick. The expectations out of Manson was very low to begin with from the media and fans. The expectations of Helleson was pimped up high. Still, Helleson is young and d-men take time to develop. I want him to develop too b/c if he succeeds, then the org succeeds and we are closer to becoming playoff bound again.

 

[Ducksforcup]

Like people have said it's a no-risk thing. If he works out, great. If not, well gave it a shot. Hoping for the best.

 

[ohcomeonref]

Edit: wrong thread

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I was very confused when Helleson transferred over from the Avs to the Ducks that he was more highly rated than Thrun and LaCombe. Here's the The Hockey News' Future Watch ranking from last year (I bought the mag, that's my source):

1. C McTavish​

2. G Dostal​

3. D Zellweger​

4. RW Perreault​

5. D Helleson <--- newly added​

6. LW Tracey​

7. D LaCombe​

8. RW Pastujov​

9. D Thrun​

10. D Moore​

I'm disappointed in Helleson because not only did Verbeek hype Helleson up, but the scouting media also did too. That was the standard I reset my thoughts on Helleson.

Feb 7: 42 games, 12 pts, and -19 rating​

Feb 8 - Mar 16: 11 games, 3 pts, +10 rating​

He's playing top pairing with MDZ as of late and his plus/minus rating has improved. Granted, when reading the SD recaps from Defend the Nest, it's MDZ's name that pops up often. At least Helleson will finish out the year with a proper vet to learn from. Next year, though, might give us a better assessment on Helleson's talent when we get a slew of defensemen coming over to the pro side.

The Manson age thing does have relevance, but Manson is also a 6th round, overager pick. Helleson is a 2nd round pick. The expectations out of Manson was very low to begin with from the media and fans. The expectations of Helleson was pimped up high. Still, Helleson is young and d-men take time to develop. I want him to develop too b/c if he succeeds, then the org succeeds and we are closer to becoming playoff bound again.

I hope you’re right about his development. As I’ve stated previously, I’m not criticizing these players or writing them off. I’m merely pointing out why my excitement meter has not gotten past snooze yet.

But actually, this whole damn year hasn’t gotten past snooze either. The lottery will be more exciting than the whole season. But way too exciting for me to want to watch. Watching those cards flip over is like waiting for the click while playing Russian roulette. Too much stress. Especially this year with the stakes so high.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I hope you’re right about his development. As I’ve stated previously, I’m not criticizing these players or writing them off. I’m merely pointing out why my excitement meter has not gotten past snooze yet.

But actually, this whole damn year hasn’t gotten past snooze either. The lottery will be more exciting than the whole season. But way too exciting for me to want to watch. Watching those cards flip over is like waiting for the click while playing Russian roulette. Too much stress. Especially this year with the stakes so high.

You could just follow along on the HFboards instead of watching the actual draft. It's much more fun shooting the breeze this way.

This year wasn't a total loss. Just look at our prospects not in the pros. Whenever I do the prospect updates, I have two parts: one for non-pros and the other for pros/Europe. Our CHL group is bursting with talents. Our defensemen lead each of the three CHL leagues in scoring in the WHL with Zellweger, in the OHL with Mintyukov, and in the Q with Luneau. Then there's LaCombe, who owns the 6th highest scoring rate for a defenseman in the NCAA. (Could have been higher if he didn't get injured recently.) And, finally, we got D Hinds, who leads all defensemen in plus/minus rating in the Q with +54 and 4th overall in the Q. LaCombe, Zell, Hinds, and Minty are all going pro next season (ahl/nhl)!

Bright spots for our forwards are Pastujov, Hvidston, Kukkonen, and Nesterenko. Pasta is a scoring machine with his new team in the "you used to look good to me, but now I found you... simply irresistable" type scoring. Hvidston has almost doubled his scoring in fewer games he played in last year. Kukkonen's goal scoring as a rookie in the NCAA is a big development, and Nesterenko is tied at 34th for points scored in the NCAA as well as own a 0.97 ppg rate. (Highlighted to show relevance in the Nesterenko thread. heh)

G Alexander proved to play so well that he got signed halfway in his junior season and has become a revelation in the AHL.

On the pro side, 19-year old McTavish (turned 20 on Jan 30th) proved he can be a top-6 center in the NHL this season.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

You could just follow along on the HFboards instead of watching the actual draft. It's much more fun shooting the breeze this way.

Oh, I'll be fully aware of the results shortly thereafter. Not sure I want to be around here if we don't win.