Proposal: Ducks - Leafs

[Vitto79]

Ducks fans gonna flip lol

 

[BlueBaron]

It probably would have been better to start with Holl and a 1rst and ask what the add is. We do need the retention.

 

[Contenderorpretender]

Ducks- Lindholm 50% retained

Leafs - 2nd 2022, 4th 2023

Rielly- Brodie
Muzzin- Lindholm
Sandin- Holl

Lindholm - 21 points , 52 hits , 75 blocks , 42 pim , 19:28 avg toi

Wtf. How about you look at things objectively. If Reilly were an fa, would you do that trade? Even if there was an oversupply of d, this is still one of the top 2 available. Fair market value still exists. Start with a 1st and add from there.

 

[Mrfenn92]

We can argue about who’s worth a first come deadline time but Lindholm will get a first easily if he’s moved

 

[Golden_Jet]

Ducks- Lindholm 50% retained

Leafs - 2nd 2022, 4th 2023

Rielly- Brodie
Muzzin- Lindholm
Sandin- Holl

Lindholm - 21 points , 52 hits , 75 blocks , 42 pim , 19:28 avg toi

Minimum the second needs to be a first, and likely that’s not enough if retaining 50%

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Maybe add this year’s version of Bracco to clinch it?

 

[Goose of Reason]

Ducks counter with a 5th for Sandin

 

[KingsCourt]

Don't ever change (some) leaf fans... Lol classic

You keep us all laughing.. Thank you

 

[Canadienna]

Who else will trade a 1st for a rental ?

Well the Leafs paid a 1st for Nick Foligno just last year.

Late 1st round picks definitely have higher HF value than IRL.

 

[NMacrules]

Value seems fair. Possibly Leafs add a 5th 2024

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Ducks- Lindholm 50% retained

Leafs - 2nd 2022, 4th 2023

Rielly- Brodie
Muzzin- Lindholm
Sandin- Holl

Lindholm - 21 points , 52 hits , 75 blocks , 42 pim , 19:28 avg toi

You actually think that gets it done? They offer is easily bettered by any number of teams.

 

[bsu]

One of the worst proposals on here currently. Anything to the Leafs from the Ducks now cost double.

 

[belair]

Lindholm without the retention would cost a 1st plus one of the teams top three prospects. Likely either Knies or Amirov. Even then, other teams would easily top them.

 

[bsu]

Lindholm without the retention would cost a 1st plus one of the teams top three prospects. Likely either Knies or Amirov. Even then, other teams would easily top them.

Yep

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Lindholm isn't worth the huge package it would take to get him unless he can be resigned. Makes no sense otherwise.

 

[seanlinden]

I think if Lindholm is traded, he'll get 1st + good prospect, i.e. a lot more than the proposed offer. In terms of what TOR could offer, that could be 1st + Knies (Niemela, Robertson also to be considered) maybe an additional late pick for the retention required.

And I think that's definitely a trade TOR should do if offered to them. That makes them immediately much better for this offseason.

IIRC, Dubas has been pretty clear that he's not looking to move his first, or any of his big 3 prospects, for a pure rental.. and that's all that Lindholm can be for Toronto. The suggestion that he'd move 2 of those assets for a rental seems farfetched.

Maybe another team, that has some hope/semblance of being able to sign him, parts with a 1st + top prospect.... but I don't think it'll be Toronto, and would question whether anyone does given how many defencemen are available.

 

[RationalExpectations]

IIRC, Dubas has been pretty clear that he's not looking to move his first, or any of his big 3 prospects, for a pure rental.. and that's all that Lindholm can be for Toronto. The suggestion that he'd move 2 of those assets for a rental seems farfetched.

Maybe another team, that has some hope/semblance of being able to sign him, parts with a 1st + top prospect.... but I don't think it'll be Toronto, and would question whether anyone does given how many defencemen are available.

May TOR does not get him but I think nobody gets him witha lowball offer.
Dubas says things as he should, now if he thinks he needs a player to make them go through round 1 he ll spend the first.

 

[dubplatepressure]

I think if Lindholm is traded, he'll get 1st + good prospect, i.e. a lot more than the proposed offer. In terms of what TOR could offer, that could be 1st + Knies (Niemela, Robertson also to be considered) maybe an additional late pick for the retention required.

And I think that's definitely a trade TOR should do if offered to them. That makes them immediately much better for this offseason.

IMO only way that happens with that price is if we have some understanding of extension. I don think this management group will consider allowing those kind of assets to go towards a pure rental.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Lindholm without the retention would cost a 1st plus one of the teams top three prospects. Likely either Knies or Amirov. Even then, other teams would easily top them.

Nobody is trading a kid with brain cancer and nobody would trade for a kid with brain cancer.


That being said, Hampus is the same level of defender as Rielly (a number 1 dman on a lot of teams). I would absolutely not trade Rielly for less (as a UFA) than what you suggest.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Good deal , not going to get a 1st

I would offer a first as fan of another team. So your offer is already dead.

 

[seanlinden]

May TOR does not get him but I think nobody gets him witha lowball offer.
Dubas says things as he should, now if he thinks he needs a player to make them go through round 1 he ll spend the first.

Ultimately... as things get closer to the deadline... the Ducks are going to be faced with a choice of taking the best available package, or likely losing him for nothing.

They have been struggling of recent, and falling down the standings as a result... which makes it all that tougher to justify keeping an "own rental".

For the record, I don't believe the Leafs are going to come up with the best offer for him. Dubas got burned last year going all-in on rentals... it's not a knock on Lindholm -- just the simple reality that Toronto is in absolutely no position to resign him.

 

[Sean Garrity]

Lindholm isn't worth the huge package it would take to get him unless he can be resigned. Makes no sense otherwise.

You wouldn't trade the huge package for a Stanley Cup? That's the point of trading for Lindholm, you understand you're likely overpaying but it could come with the ultimate prize.

 

[Leonardo87]

You can have Shattenkirk for that.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

You wouldn't trade the huge package for a Stanley Cup? That's the point of trading for Lindholm, you understand you're likely overpaying but it could come with the ultimate prize.

Leafs aren't a great team, we have one amazing line, a good shutdown third line and thats it. Our defense sucks and our goaltending is historically bad. Does that sound like a cup contender even with a stud like Lindholm ?

 

[Leonardo87]

Leafs aren't a great team, we have one amazing line, a good shutdown third line and thats it. Our defense sucks and our goaltending is historically bad. Does that sound like a cup contender even with a stud like Lindholm ?

With all that Star power? Ducks wish they had one of those guys like Matthews or Tavares in their Top 6.