Dubois

[FrozenKing18]

I’m just looking to see if there is anything different about his game to give us some hope that they acquire a different player wearing #80 next season.

PLD pls

 

[Peter James Bond II]

props to whomever made the avatar...from lakingsinsider. If you're here, thanks and givng you credit.

My new slogan: FIRE BLUCGERON !

Let's see...so PLD playing with Hagel and not sure who else, but Tavares assisted on PLD's PP goal. Glad he's at least is playing for Canada, instead of being at the beach and loafing. Hoping some GM is crazier than Team BLucgeron (hey, just came to me now) and thinks they can get PLD half retained for something. Our silver of hope can be that last yr Blake said at exit presser "we still believe CAL is an NHL goalie and we have to help get him there"....3? weeks later, dealt to PHI. So just know, they can say "no, we are not buying him out"....and "he needs to be better and we plan coaching to help get that out of him" and then 3 weeks later, he's bought out (10% chance) or dealt, some retention (I'll say 25% chance)

I still think he can be a 50 point LW and make some kind of imapct on LW1 or LW2 with PP1 time. And actually get more involved. BUT, I think the Kings know that's not enough and may be moving him.

Surprise Summer 2021. Danault signed. Arvy acquired for 2, #2's.
Surprise Summer 2022. Fiala trade
Surprise Summer 2023 PLD thing...Walker, Durzi, Petersen, Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari gone in a flash.
Surprise Summer 2024? There must be something brewing....NO WAY they can just let Roy, Arvy go and just pencil in Turc, Akil and Clarke.
They now know they cannot win a round and basically going backward and the fans are now pissed...and players not happy, as Blake said.
For sure, something going down, 100%. More than a decent goalie signing / acquisition. What?

Maybe something totally deep left field, like Stamkos 3 yrs....like no way, right? Doesn't make sense and don't see that happening, But, the Iginla and Lecavalier were like that...albeit end of season things. Why would he want to come here? Right, agreed....but I bet something whacky may happen, that makes no sense...and WORSE, does not help the Kings a first round winner. Sad, if that's a goal, anyway...to win a first round. I miss the day Melrose was hired "I'm here to win the Stanley Cup" Whoa. At least he had the huevos, moxy and belief in the RIGHT GOAL. Can you imagine Melrose, Dean or Sutter say "I'm here to win the first round...and see what happens" BS. Fire Blucgeron.

 

[bouncesonly]

Darcy Kuemper for Pierre-Luc Dubois trade ‘would make some sense’ for both Capitals and Kings

Capitals' general manager Brian MacLellan shared on Breakdown Day that he believes Darcy Kuemper will "have a good year next year", signaling…

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[tny760]

Darcy Kuemper for Pierre-Luc Dubois trade ‘would make some sense’ for both Capitals and Kings

Capitals' general manager Brian MacLellan shared on Breakdown Day that he believes Darcy Kuemper will "have a good year next year", signaling…

russianmachineneverbreaks.com

it kinda tilts me that this is being almost spoken into existence at this point

doubt it happens with how much LA media is pumping the "just give PLD time" line but man being stuck with 3 years of a $5M goalie sure sounds familiar. at least this one would be LTIRetirable

 

[johnjm22]

props to whomever made the avatar...from lakingsinsider. If you're here, thanks and givng you credit.

My new slogan: FIRE BLUCGERON !

Let's see...so PLD playing with Hagel and not sure who else, but Tavares assisted on PLD's PP goal. Glad he's at least is playing for Canada, instead of being at the beach and loafing. Hoping some GM is crazier than Team BLucgeron (hey, just came to me now) and thinks they can get PLD half retained for something. Our silver of hope can be that last yr Blake said at exit presser "we still believe CAL is an NHL goalie and we have to help get him there"....3? weeks later, dealt to PHI. So just know, they can say "no, we are not buying him out"....and "he needs to be better and we plan coaching to help get that out of him" and then 3 weeks later, he's bought out (10% chance) or dealt, some retention (I'll say 25% chance)

I still think he can be a 50 point LW and make some kind of imapct on LW1 or LW2 with PP1 time. And actually get more involved. BUT, I think the Kings know that's not enough and may be moving him.

Surprise Summer 2021. Danault signed. Arvy acquired for 2, #2's.
Surprise Summer 2022. Fiala trade
Surprise Summer 2023 PLD thing...Walker, Durzi, Petersen, Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari gone in a flash.
Surprise Summer 2024? There must be something brewing....NO WAY they can just let Roy, Arvy go and just pencil in Turc, Akil and Clarke.
They now know they cannot win a round and basically going backward and the fans are now pissed...and players not happy, as Blake said.
For sure, something going down, 100%. More than a decent goalie signing / acquisition. What?

Maybe something totally deep left field, like Stamkos 3 yrs....like no way, right? Doesn't make sense and don't see that happening, But, the Iginla and Lecavalier were like that...albeit end of season things. Why would he want to come here? Right, agreed....but I bet something whacky may happen, that makes no sense...and WORSE, does not help the Kings a first round winner. Sad, if that's a goal, anyway...to win a first round. I miss the day Melrose was hired "I'm here to win the Stanley Cup" Whoa. At least he had the huevos, moxy and belief in the RIGHT GOAL. Can you imagine Melrose, Dean or Sutter say "I'm here to win the first round...and see what happens" BS. Fire Blucgeron.

I believe the rumor that they tried to trade PLD, and I'll think they'll try and move him before his clause kicks in.

Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part, but if I'm Blake, and my mandate is WIN NOW, I'm looking at PLD's 8.5M cap hit and thinking I'd sure like to allocate it elsewhere.

 

[Schmooley]

Darcy Kuemper for Pierre-Luc Dubois trade ‘would make some sense’ for both Capitals and Kings

Capitals' general manager Brian MacLellan shared on Breakdown Day that he believes Darcy Kuemper will "have a good year next year", signaling…

russianmachineneverbreaks.com

If you want to get rid of Dubois bad enough you dont dwell on the history.
But if Blake did this deal it would be Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari, Durzi/2nd, Walker, Grans, eating part of Provorovs salary, and Petersen traded for a guy they had signed for league minimum and gave away for nothing in Kuemper. Didnt they let him go cause he had no future with the team and they wanted to make room for Petersen who signed an entey level deal that year?
Would just be such a comical folly coming full circle.

 

[Seattle King]

props to whomever made the avatar...from lakingsinsider. If you're here, thanks and givng you credit.

My new slogan: FIRE BLUCGERON !

Let's see...so PLD playing with Hagel and not sure who else, but Tavares assisted on PLD's PP goal. Glad he's at least is playing for Canada, instead of being at the beach and loafing. Hoping some GM is crazier than Team BLucgeron (hey, just came to me now) and thinks they can get PLD half retained for something. Our silver of hope can be that last yr Blake said at exit presser "we still believe CAL is an NHL goalie and we have to help get him there"....3? weeks later, dealt to PHI. So just know, they can say "no, we are not buying him out"....and "he needs to be better and we plan coaching to help get that out of him" and then 3 weeks later, he's bought out (10% chance) or dealt, some retention (I'll say 25% chance)

I still think he can be a 50 point LW and make some kind of imapct on LW1 or LW2 with PP1 time. And actually get more involved. BUT, I think the Kings know that's not enough and may be moving him.

Surprise Summer 2021. Danault signed. Arvy acquired for 2, #2's.
Surprise Summer 2022. Fiala trade
Surprise Summer 2023 PLD thing...Walker, Durzi, Petersen, Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari gone in a flash.
Surprise Summer 2024? There must be something brewing....NO WAY they can just let Roy, Arvy go and just pencil in Turc, Akil and Clarke.
They now know they cannot win a round and basically going backward and the fans are now pissed...and players not happy, as Blake said.
For sure, something going down, 100%. More than a decent goalie signing / acquisition. What?

Maybe something totally deep left field, like Stamkos 3 yrs....like no way, right? Doesn't make sense and don't see that happening, But, the Iginla and Lecavalier were like that...albeit end of season things. Why would he want to come here? Right, agreed....but I bet something whacky may happen, that makes no sense...and WORSE, does not help the Kings a first round winner. Sad, if that's a goal, anyway...to win a first round. I miss the day Melrose was hired "I'm here to win the Stanley Cup" Whoa. At least he had the huevos, moxy and belief in the RIGHT GOAL. Can you imagine Melrose, Dean or Sutter say "I'm here to win the first round...and see what happens" BS. Fire Blucgeron.

I dont know who the "Geron" in Blucgeron is so I will assume you meant "Gevin" for Bergevin.
Fire both of them into a supermassive black hole at the center of a distant galaxy, then throw a party, then get back to work.

 

[johnjm22]

Walker, Grans, eating part of Provorovs salary, and Petersen traded

That doesn't have much to do with PLD. They were going to have to do that anyways.

 

[Schmooley]

That doesn't have much to do with PLD. They were going to have to do that anyways.

They needed to unload Petersen and Walker to afford Dubois and Gavrikov. And the domino effect is they had to scrape together enough for league minimum goaltenders. If Petersen worked out you arent thinking about trading Dubois for a goalie.
And Petersen does have something to do with Kuemper since they let Kuemper go and went with Cal as the future goalie.
It is very much all connected.

 

[DoktorJeep]

I can’t see a trade happening before the NMC kicks in, which I believe is the first week of July.

There’s too much baggage on the player for the acquiring team to take on the money (30’ish million if 50% retained) and overall risk that he isn’t a 2nd line C before he plays a single game for them.

You have better odds of finding Bigfoot than seeing Rob Blake buying out or trading Pierre.

 

[shuchukfan]

And three of the series are at least going to six games...

 

[johnjm22]

They needed to unload Petersen and Walker to afford Dubois and Gavrikov. And the domino effect is they had to scrape together enough for league minimum goaltenders. If Petersen worked out you arent thinking about trading Dubois for a goalie.
And Petersen does have something to do with Kuemper since they let Kuemper go and went with Cal as the future goalie.
It is very much all connected.

I'm not here to defend the PLD trade (far from), but after everyone was resigned, LA was going to be right up against the cap. It was going to be tight with or without him.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

I dont know who the "Geron" in Blucgeron is so I will assume you meant "Gevin" for Bergevin.
Fire both of them into a supermassive black hole at the center of a distant galaxy, then throw a party, then get back to work.

EECK! Yes. Touche. Hopefully, CBJ hire him.

 

[jtalton]

I'm not here to defend the PLD trade (far from), but after everyone was resigned, LA was going to be right up against the cap. It was going to be tight with or without him.

how would they be right up against the cap? We still would have had 3 players which would have been on much more reasonable contracts that could be moved. They also could have been on shorter deals that are more manageable. The PLD trade and contract is a sh---t sandwich and there is no mental gymnastics that your brain can come up with to soften the blow. I applaud your effort though.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I'm not here to defend the PLD trade (far from), but after everyone was resigned, LA was going to be right up against the cap. It was going to be tight with or without him.

absolutely, but those assets could have been used for better things including players or picks that could have reduced the cap instead. Multiple more valuable assets > one large anchor.

 

[Statto]

I hope with the coaching change pending we at least end up with a system that gets the best out of the players we have. The use of 1-3-1 effectively forces the C into a supporting role in defensive responsibilities, which is effectively a shutdown role (even though I’ve been told we don’t use PLD that way). The way we play means the C is less engaged than other systems, more passive. In effect they all play a shutdown role, it’s how they set up.

PLD is better around the net and in a more assertive role system wise. It’s not a change that would suit Danault though IMO, so another reason I’d trade him. It’s another reason the trade was dumb as you bring in a guy that’s never played the way we did the last few years and we clearly have a 1-3 c setup where they can’t all play the same system. It’s nuts. At least Kopitar can play different ways and will work in whatever system we end up with (probably).

If they don’t trade or buy out PLD they need him in the top six in the right system. For me it’s either/or. Even in the right/role system it is still not a great situation but they at least need to make the most of things…

 

[Trash Panda]

That doesn't have much to do with PLD. They were going to have to do that anyways.

They certainly would not have needed to shed salary so aggressively without the plans to acquire an 8.5M dollar paper weight.

They would have been tight against the cap, just as they are now, only with more assets & flexibility to grow the team correctly.

Walker was likely gone regardless, but they could have rode out the Peterson mistake for this season and likely produced the exact same result, only with being in a better position for the future than they are now.

 

[Lt Dan]

Hopefully upping his trade value

 

[FrozenKing18]

Upping that trade value! Atta boy!

 

[KopitarGOAT420]

We are ALL Kings!!!

 

[FrozenKing18]

Can we convince BUF GM to swap PLD and Cozens

 

[King'sPawn]

Hopefully upping his trade value

He was built for games 87 and onward!

 

[theMajor]

Hopefully upping his trade value

and confidence!

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

If it weren't so depressing it would be impressive how many guys Rob has picked up that obliterate bottom teams and ghost top teams

 

[KopitarGOAT420]

I hope with the coaching change pending we at least end up with a system that gets the best out of the players we have. The use of 1-3-1 effectively forces the C into a supporting role in defensive responsibilities, which is effectively a shutdown role (even though I’ve been told we don’t use PLD that way). The way we play means the C is less engaged than other systems, more passive. In effect they all play a shutdown role, it’s how they set up.

PLD is better around the net and in a more assertive role system wise. It’s not a change that would suit Danault though IMO, so another reason I’d trade him. It’s another reason the trade was dumb as you bring in a guy that’s never played the way we did the last few years and we clearly have a 1-3 c setup where they can’t all play the same system. It’s nuts. At least Kopitar can play different ways and will work in whatever system we end up with (probably).

If they don’t trade or buy out PLD they need him in the top six in the right system. For me it’s either/or. Even in the right/role system it is still not a great situation but they at least need to make the most of things…

Hmmmm this is mad interesting. Maybe this is part of the reason PLD looked passive & unengaged last season - Because he was playing a system that essentially requires centers to play that way.

It doesn't seem likely we'll see a change in systems based on the Hiller / Blake presser this morning but this seems to further suggest a shift to wing could really benefit PLD.

Just seems like a no-brainer at this point to try him on the wing in the top 6 - And the Kings have some intriguing options to make that happen. They could try putting PLD on Kopitar, Danault, or Byfield's wing and have him play more of an aggressive / forechecking role.
PLD - Kopitar - Kempe (load up the 1st line)
PLD - Danault - Moore (Allows them to keep Byfield - Kopitar - Kempe together if they really want to - Also gives PLD two high energy players to play with)
PLD - Byfield - Kempe (My personal preference)

They also mentioned in the press conference today that they "need to find a way to get PLD carrying the puck into the zone more often" - Well I imagine putting him at LW and making him the F1 would be a great way to do that.

Between a shift to wing and parking him in front of the net on one of the powerplay units, I honestly think we could see a pretty solid season out of Dubois next year (Trying to be optimistic since we're stuck with him)

Now we just have to hope Blake and Hiller aren't completely brain dead and can figure this out.