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LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

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Intangir said:
Yes, exactly.

Montreal wants to get better as a team (who doesn't?), but most of that will need to come internally.

A Dubois trade would make the team obviously better in the short-term and would be sensible IF the combination of players/prospects/picks that need to be sent to reach Winnipeg's ask make sense both short-term AND long-term for the overall competitiveness of the team.

And as you've said, though circumstances (Dubois and his agent actually) seem to push for a Montreal-Dubois reunion, I don't think there is such an obvious "fit" for a trade between Winnipeg and Montreal given the situation and conflicting wants of both teams.

Montreal wants to hold on to talented young players in the hopes that they "make it" in the NHL and become integral parts of the team in the relatively short term, which means they would rather trade veterans and/or picks instead of their top prospects, probably in a quantity-for-quality type of deal which doesn't fit Winnipeg's needs at all.

Montreal, as presently constituted, is also weakest at RHD, and second-weakest at Center although Suzuki/Dach/Dvorak/Evans + guys like Beck, maybe Mesar, Kapanen, and Kidney (+ many picks this year) are not bad depth-wise and in the prospect pool.

But the team will probably look to bolster that position whether with picks at the draft or UFA (Monahan?) and so most likely will not want to trade the most valuable young pieces from that depth chart if the deal is for a guy like Dubois (hence why Suzuki and Dach would most likely be non-starters).

Whereas Winnipeg has almost exactly the same needs as Montreal and would most likely want young-ish pieces at center or RHD that are already somewhat established and trending very well, + picks and other pieces to match the value in a potential Dubois trade.

For a young-ish clear #1 center with close to PPG production Montreal would trade Dach+#5+other assets in a package, but Dubois, although really good, is not at that level.

So yeah, interests align, but no bueno on the trade fit.

In fact, I think LA might, and should given where they are in the midst of their rebuild, offer better value than our front office would feel is the best we could realistically do in a trade package for Dubois. And that could tilt things in their favor, if Dubois agrees to sign there of course, but it looks like he would be agreeable to it if reports are true.

In the grand scheme of things, if Montreal wants to be a good team in the future, then we will need to see continued growth for guys like Caufield, Dach (both only 22, and yet to reach their ceiling IMO) and Nick Suzuki (started to become better at dealing with tougher assignments last year).

In addition, some of their forward prospects will also need to show improvements and establish themselves as more than just depth pieces (like Slafkovsky, 2023 #5 overall pick most likely, Farrell, Roy, Heineman, Beck, Kidney, Mesar, etc.).

But the sheer number of pieces that the Canadiens have that show promise could mean they hit on a couple and end up in a much better spot talent and depth-wise in two years or so than they are now.

And we should also see some improvements from the FIVE rookie defensemen Montreal iced at some points of the season in 2022-2023 that could help elevate the quality of play of the team as soon as next season, but most likely for 2024-2025 as defensemen generally need more time to develop. And with more high-end defensive prospects, like Hutson, Mailloux, and Engstrom that are highly-regarded and should arrive within the next two-three years, Montreal's future is looking quite bright on the defense.

The goaltending position is suspect at best with guys like Montembeault, Allen, Primeau and Dobes, but there are many goalies available each year and if they're lucky and hit on one, they could rapidly be set for years.

All of that to say that Montreal's path to being relevant again has nothing to do with any trades for Dubois, but rather internal development, smart decisions with the cap, and not leading the NHL for man-games lost like we did the last two seasons (even if you factor-out Price and Byron as season-long LTIR, we were still tops last year).
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Best and most accurate post in this entire thread…

Is that you Gorton?
 
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HabsAddict said:
I'm guessing if Carlsson or Smith are avaliable, no deal.

I still think you load up for the price. Dach can play wing with Dubois or Suzuki while Monahan fills in 3C and the new kid gets protected minutes.

Odd man out is Evans and Dvorak....if they are still with us.
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I don't think Chevy would go into the draft with a Dubois trade hinging on who's taken in the first 4 picks.
 
Qwijibo said:
Not necessarily. Only of Winnipeg wants picks in this years draft. Otherwise this could drag out all summer
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No it won't they have to Qualify him in July.

Once the 1 ywar deal is signed WIN hold even less leverage.
 
tbcwpg said:
I don't think Chevy would go into the draft with a Dubois trade hinging on who's taken in the first 4 picks.
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Maybe. Maybe not.

If Michkov falls to 5th then there is a potential swap with Caps that then may have a high pick available.

If there was a deal in place, it could be announced now.
 
HabsAddict said:
Maybe. Maybe not.

If Michkov falls to 5th then there is a potential swap with Caps that then may have a high pick available.

If there was a deal in place, it could be announced now.
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I don't think there's a deal in place yet. Chevy loves his deadlines. He's also not much of a gambler.
 
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I know they have Cap issues but LA, and teams like the Bruins and Rangers are better trading partners for the Jets than the Habs. Where Montreal is right now just doesn't make sense for them to cough up the needed assets. Habs can go nuts again on PLD to Montreal in 8 or 9 years.
 
TheDogCerby said:
Possibly, but I can see him doing a bunch of ads.

McDonalds, or any other fast food place.
Canadian Tire and any other sports store.
Banks
Betting commercials in Quebec.
Door Dash and similar.

In Ottawa the sens do radio ads for Otto's BMW, so I'm assuming PLD can do it for a luxury vehicle lot in Quebec somewhere.

Getting paid to show up to certain events.

He can potentially make a solid amount of change on the side.
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There's no chance he gets national sponsorship deals or sponsorship deals with national brands like Canadian Tire, nevermind McDonald's. Local businesses can't afford millions on endorsements.

He's likely looking at tens of thousands, maybe a few hundred thousand if he's lucky.

Unless you're comparing that against California, it's almost definitely not enough to offset the higher taxes in Quebec.
 
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GreenLine said:
There's no chance he gets national sponsorship deals or sponsorship deals with national brands like Canadian Tire, nevermind McDonald's. Local businesses can't afford millions on endorsements.

He's likely looking at tens of thousands, maybe a few hundred thousand if he's lucky.

Unless you're comparing that against California, it's almost definitely not enough to offset the higher taxes in Quebec.
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They've done Quebec based ones before.

Gallagher made his own burger and had commercials and whatnot for it
 
Weezeric said:
Except Dubois doesn’t want another one year deal..
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He does not, but he's bot signing on Winnipeg.

Jets have to deal him before his QO is due, and to a team he's willing to extend to. The more thos teams wait. The better the deal they'll get because it puts the Jets in a very tight corner.
 
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Mersss said:
He does not, but he's bot signing on Winnipeg.

Jets have to deal him before his QO is due, and to a team he's willing to extend to. The more thos teams wait. The better the deal they'll get because it puts the Jets in a very tight corner.
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PLD won’t sign a QO…. If the Jets did not have that assurance they would have filed for team arbitration to block the possibility IMO….PLD’s agent and the Jets are working to make a trade happen and have prob made an agreement to not worry about QO….Professional agents and GMs don’t go back on their word on things like this as it would be carrier damaging when word gets out.

Or maybe Chevy is an idiot and will lose PLD for peanuts next week to a QO lol
 
Canadienna said:
This is hilarious. He's literally making the rounds with the team lol.
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What he said about David when they were teammates in Columbus:

"If you sign with a team because you like the head coach, he may very well be fired two months after you sign... If you sign because you like the guys in the room, they may as well be traded from one day to the next."

"You know, like David Savard, he's my brother. When I asked the Blue Jackets for a trade, I almost decided to stay there to stay with him... Well he got traded six months later."
 
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Qwijibo said:
With a couple of exceptions (Drouin) Bergevin usually did pretty good in trades. He had no idea how to construct a team. But he got value in his trades.
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Generally, yes. But he had a soft spot for French names and I'm sure he would have been all over Dubois.
 
Kobe Armstrong said:
Hard to say if he's trolling Montreal or Winnipeg at this point, and not sure which team it puts more pressure on

Also Savard has that summer bod going, doesn't look like an athlete
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No pressure on Winnipeg, it's not like he'd be here right now anyway.
 
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At first I didn't want to give credence to the rumors but it looks more and more like a player getting acquainted with his new teammates.
 
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