Post-Game Talk: Dubnyk wins 3-1, Oilers Still Missing.

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Burke is a better GM than the idiots we got though, regardless of whether Toronto makes it or not.

I dunno. I think I'd rather have what Boston got for Kessel than Kessel.

What do you think Flames fans remember more? Sutter's trade for Kipprusoff or him dealing Phaneuf for a bunch of garbage?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Burke is a better GM than the idiots we got though, regardless of whether Toronto makes it or not.

Yes, but you've been grinding that axe down to the handle for a LONG while now.

 

[McOilbleeder]

Harti, Lander, Petrell maybe, guys upcoming in the system. Plus that in the talent brigade all of Hall, Hemsky, Yak bring exactly what you are talking about and can go through people pretty easily.

Hall, Hemmer and Yak don't play that game at all. They are supremely talented, but none of those guys play that game. Hall is the closest but he doesn't have the physical play needed to do it consistently.

Harti, Lander and Petrell don't have the hands or offensive IQ to do it consistently. I love Harti but he's got ALOT of work ahead of him if he wants to be able to play that game.

A Penner reconnect would also be immediately available. Torres couldve been had for a song.

I doubt this franchise considers Penner nor Torres with how each of those players left. One was described as lazy and the other a problem child. Rightfully or wrongfully, I doubt management even looks at them.

All we need is some players protecting the puck better and getting through traffic.

I generally agree. We need guys who are good are protecting the puck and working through traffic, and have hands to put away goals in tight. They don't have to perfect(ie be a top powerforward in the game), but as long as they can give us that presence, it would really fix some issues in the top-6.

 

[Groucho]

1) It wasn't on the PP, it had expired by then

2) Gagner bit on an innocuous little fake by Umberger, and due to his lack of speed wasn't able to maintain body position skating with him into the slot. That goal is 80% Gagner, 20% Hemsky (who didn't peel off the open point man because of the walk-in chance that'd be created if Umberger dropped it back). Don't make excuses for the play - it was terrible

Gagner's had 2-3 consecutive pre-2013esque plays defensively here, and it's worrying me. He's showing those old tendencies - not moving his feet, stupid turnovers, chasing in the D-zone. It's not the pro-active Gagner we saw in the first 8-9 games.

Oh my, seriously?
Gagner was out killing the penalty, he was probably tired from that, especially after running around for 30-45 seconds. All Hemsky has to do is muscle Umberger in the slot or stick check him a little harder to stop him from getting the shot off.

If Umberger puts the puck back to the point so what? Do you honestly think that a shot from the point is more dangerous than shooting from a prime scoring chance location like the high slot? On his forehand no less.

I'm no analyst but I'm 99% sure that a shot recorded from the slot is a scoring chance, and a point shot isn't.

If Gags is so slow and terrible, how did he ever win that footrace to set up MPS's game winning short hander?

 

[Moonlapse Vertigo]

Tambi is at the bottom of the barrel but honestly, there aren't too many good, let alone great general managers in hockey. Most of them are still trying to figure out how to operate under a salary cap system seven years after it was implemented. There's not an ounce of creativity amongst NHL GM's and they're all scared ****less to make deals. When's the last time you saw a three team swap in this league?

 

[Soundwave]

I wasn't. Hall's lack of hockey sense will forever limit him, and RNH doesn't have the frame to ever be that "big top six centre" this team has needed since Jason Arnott.

RNH is actually taller than Galy I believe. Galy really is not much bigger than Yakupov at all.

Bulk can be acquired it just takes time. I was 6'0 and skinny as a rail at age 17-22, maybe 150 pounds.

When I was bulking up later in my 20s I got up to 200 pounds from lifting weights and eating right. It's not rocket science, it does take time though and a person's metabolism (especially for naturally skinny people) will slow to a manageable rate as their 20s go on.

 

[pox]

All GDT should be "Starting Goal" Vs Opposing team

 

[Jmask83]

We did not deserve to win this game. Having said that we definitely did not deserve to lose at least 3 of the 5 Games we lost.

 

[KarmaPolice]

RNH is actually taller than Galy I believe. Galy really is not much bigger than Yakupov at all.

Bulk can be acquired it just takes time. I was 6'0 and skinny as a rail at age 17-22, maybe 150 pounds.

When I was bulking up later in my 20s I got up to 200 pounds from lifting weights and eating right. It's not rocket science, it does take time though and a person's metabolism (especially for naturally skinny people) will slow to a manageable rate as their 20s go on.

It's not always height that determines how hefty a person will be; it's more their 'frame'. I can't see RNH ever bulking up, tbh. I hope that he does, I hope more than anything, but being honest, I just don't ever see it happening. Gally has that frame--similar body type of Hartikainen, which makes it easy to add muscle and some body fat (as needed).

 

[Tarus]

'Rich' doesn't mean much if you have a salary cap and every team has the same roof to spend with.

The Oilers should know that, we would've outbid anyone for Hossa. He didn't want to sign here. Heatley didn't want to come either even though we would've gladly paid his paycheques at the time.

Having money doesn't mean much for a GM, you gotta have assets to be able to do anything.

And the GM of the richest team in the league was unable to aquire them on any level.

He blew money like candy on terrible players in an effort to get tough

He remained loyal to two of the worst coaches in the league since the 05 lockout.

He has no idea how to aquire a competent goaltender, even tried to run with Dan Cloutier as a number one goaltender for years undermining the west coast express years, one of the biggest jokes in Nuck history to this day.

He is incompetent at negotiating contracts with players on his own teams.

The guy is an extremely poor GM, far better at dismantling teams than building them up.

 

[Soliloquy of a Dogge]

Really glad a couple of the arm-chair GM's here aren't in charge.

I know Tambellini is bad but my good god... some here need to really take a step back. Full blown frantic panic attacks.

 

[Replacement*]

I've thought about that a few times myself. Anybody know the deal with Penner?
I know he has conditioning issues (Im thinking the divorce took a lot out him as well), but does a return to Edmonton rejuvenate him?
He's benched and scratched in LA, they can't possibly want much for him.

I never thought LA would be much good for him tbh but then again I'm guilty of over-thinking things. Really looked to me that Penner got caught up in some lifestyle stuff, with the pretty people, and lost some focus. Bad marriage, yep, that was predictable and I said so here.

Edmonton is the right kind of environment for a big prairie kid like Penner. Could he still be right for here?

 

[Soundwave]

All GDT should be "Starting Goal" Vs Opposing team

I changed the PGT for something more apt, lol.

 

[Oiltankjob Fail]

This is the ACTUAL NHL, not NHL13. Before the season I was all for switching him, but, frankly, Hemsky's played to a level where he deserves his spot.

As the season goes along Yakupov will get more icetime and opportunity, but you don't just give him the key and say have at it, it makes for a great way to ruin a prospect

I don't own nhl 13 or ever have . He is better suited in his natural position its not handing him anything since when is breaking in a winger on his natural position giving him a key

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Really glad a couple of the arm-chair GM's here aren't in charge.

I know Tambellini is bad but my good god... some here need to really take a step back. Full blown frantic panic attacks.

This happens after every loss though.

 

[Byakin1]

Possibly. I think highly of RNH, but I think Gally will turn out to be even better. Both will be great players, but I'd prefer Galchenyuk. Hell, he's only 18 and already listed at just under 200 pounds (198lbs). RNH is listed at about 175, and I really dont see him getting that much bigger. He just doesn't have the frame for it. We need the big body presence of Gally so badly in this team's top six now and especially the future.

Big body presence of Gally? WTH? You make it sound like he's Lindros's or Lucic's size.

 

[MCMIL OIL]

Burke or not the oilerrs need to move/aquire players. Asap. Some quiver at the thought of moving hall, eberle, NUG, and some even hate the idea of moving hemsky or gagner. Hate to be the bear of bad news but you can't aquire something of importance if you are not willing to give something up. Its almost funny how many people know the problem is we lack depth and toughness but then shut down any thought of moving sam or ales. As far as burkes grading as a gm.. he's miles and miles ahead of tambo.

 

[fuswald]

I wasn't. Hall's lack of hockey sense will forever limit him, and RNH doesn't have the frame to ever be that "big top six centre" this team has needed since Jason Arnott.

Hall will be our captain and the Nuge will shine. He even won a face off or two today with a bum shoulder.

Third and fourth lines need to score once in a while as well. They always seem to be off the hook for losses.

Gagner should be the captain. Very Horcoff like (except Gagner scores)

Promote Lowe for his good work promote Tamellini for his good drafting luck and hire Burke for GM.
Lowebellini-urke (Burke would negotiate the hyphen in the pre-GM contract)

I'd be fired.

 

[Eytinge]

There was a game tonight? Whaa? Completely forgot, but sounds like I didn't miss much by the looks of this thread despite the win?

 

[Replacement*]

Hall, Hemmer and Yak don't play that game at all. They are supremely talented, but none of those guys play that game. Hall is the closest but he doesn't have the physical play needed to do it consistently.

Harti, Lander and Petrell don't have the hands or offensive IQ to do it consistently. I love Harti but he's got ALOT of work ahead of him if he wants to be able to play that game.



I doubt this franchise considers Penner nor Torres with how each of those players left. One was described as lazy and the other a problem child. Rightfully or wrongfully, I doubt management even looks at them.



I generally agree. We need guys who are good are protecting the puck and working through traffic, and have hands to put away goals in tight. They don't have to perfect(ie be a top powerforward in the game), but as long as they can give us that presence, it would really fix some issues in the top-6.

With all due respect Umberger wasn't that much of a player at same age. He grew well into the role and learned to play it. I didn't think all that much of him earlier in his career and at some point I thought career AHLer.

He didn't even break into the NHL until Gagners current age. Plus that he has 1G 1A this year and had been scoreless until this goal. kind of what you get with Umberger, careful what you wish for in that regard. I know you weren't talking specifically of wanting him but really its ironic because even Umberger isn't really "that type of player" not with much consistency. Sure he cracks 20 goals as a go to player with the jackets and getting all kinds of toi.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Is this kid at his height/size the no.2 center who can take this team anywhere?

Oiler fans want it both ways. "Fill those holes!". Well ok, uh, no one is going to give you anything of value for crap like Smyth, Whitney, etc. though.

A good GM knows when to make a move when he has value (probably inflated value) on his hands.

Tambellini isn't that type of GM though, so like I said you probably have nothing to worry about. He's not going to do ****.

We gotta address every need through the draft, so that means Stu, you better step your game up, because we need those 2nd/3rd round picks to pay off badly and I don't like what I'm seeing from Pitlick and the like at the AHL level.

Better players than Smyth and Whitney have been put through waivers this year.

 

[Soundwave]

It's not always height that determines how hefty a person will be; it's more their 'frame'. I can't see RNH ever bulking up, tbh. I hope that he does, I hope more than anything, but being honest, I just don't ever see it happening. Gally has that frame--similar body type of Hartikainen, which makes it easy to add muscle and some body fat (as needed).

Anyone can bulk up, I speak from experience myself, but anyone can.

Datsyuk was even skinnier than RNH and he built solid now.

If you take in more calories than you burn and your testosterone is normal, you are going to gain weight. There's no two ways around it.

 

[Moonlapse Vertigo]

There was a game tonight? Whaa? Completely forgot, but sounds like I didn't miss much by the looks of this thread despite the win?

The Jackets beat the hell out of the Oilers despite the score. The Oilers are still trying cutesy **** offensively and are being turned away in the neutral zone and the opposition blueline time and time and time again. When they do get into the opposition zone they're passing up prime shot opportunities all over the ice.

Surprisingly Paajarvi didn't look to pass back to Gagner instead of shooting on his GWG.

 

[Ol' Jase]

Anyone that believes for one second the Oilers are "the worst team in the Western Conference" haven't been paying attention to any of the other teams in the Western Conference this year.

Dubnyk lights out again today. Stole the game for us for sure. Take it and move on.

 

[fuswald]

There was a game tonight? Whaa? Completely forgot, but sounds like I didn't miss much by the looks of this thread despite the win?

Dubnyk was awesome, simply awesome!