Rumor: Dreger: McTavish, Mintyukov, McQueen for Thomas and Parayko (discussed before trade deadline, not currently being worked on)

[Leo2Cutter]

I wish you luck. Hopefully it don't drag on like it did for Zegras and you end up moving him for less than what teams offered to you last summer.

My gut says the offers this summer are less than last summer. It was a rough season for McTavish

Based on what happened with Zegras, I do think McTavish is moved. Ducks are going to have to do their due diligence to figure out what the best return is.

Every rumor ive seen is that anaheim doesnt feel the need to move McTavish.... He should bounce back next season... this season was closer to a fluke than anything.

Teams are asking (because there is a chance hes still a top 6 center, and those are hard to come by)

I think people make too much about his season/getting healthy scratched.... hes still a young player. They only way a trade makes sense is if were adding and upgrading the roster, if not we let him bounce back next year... and either he bounces back to a core piece, or he adds to his value and we get higher trade value on him.

Hfboards/fans dont dictate McTavish value, and based on reports teams are def still kicking tires on him and interested.

 

[FiveTacos]

I'm not buying it. His best season was 24/25 and this was a free wheeling NHL bottom 10 Ducks roster.

Did someone just describe a Cronin coached team as "free wheeling"?

 

[Leo2Cutter]

Did someone just describe a Cronin coached team as "free wheeling"?

I think he meant "free falling"

 

[Habs Halifax]

Did someone just describe a Cronin coached team as "free wheeling"?

Well, that makes it worse now. If it was not free wheeling, how do you explain a -54 over 300+ games and try to justify McTavish as a true type center?

 

[Leo2Cutter]

Well, that makes it worse now. If it was not free wheeling, how do you explain a -54 over 300+ games and try to justify McTavish as a true type center?

Zegras was like -54, ended up a 0 last year.

Like i said earlier suzuki was -62 in his first 291 games.... he turned out alright. Young players on bad teams are going to struggle there.

Hell bedard is career -98 in 3 years, should chicago send him to the moon

 

[Fatass]

Well, that makes it worse now. If it was not free wheeling, how do you explain a -54 over 300+ games and try to justify McTavish as a true type center?

I'm not trying to give Ducks fans a hard time on this and I'm sure you guys know the context with McTavish. Imagine if this happened on the Habs? His value would be trashed even more than Dach lol.

Is Bédard a centre? He’s a minus 98. Mac T is a centre. Just like Bédard is one.

 

[JiggywithGibby]

At age 23, how much more growth do us fans expect on McTavish? Personally, the max value I give in a trade for him is 50-60 pts and 20-25 goals. He has not shown flashes that indicates he can produce way more than that (so far). Age 23/24 coming.

That's the opposite of the problem, he has shown flashes that he can produce more, it's been consistency that is the issue. He goes on tears and then he goes dormant. If he was showing his high end skill more consistently, there would be no conversation about him being traded.

I don't believe Anaheim is looking to move off him for the sake of it, but Pat is looking at his roster, he has a 1C that just broke out, a top line goal scorer who just had a 40 goal season, another top 6 winger who was in the Calder race, a#1D who is 25, and an above average starting goalie. There's some good supporting cast around like Terry and Granlund to fill out the top 6, Anaheim has an incredibly deep pipeline at defense for anything in the bottom 4.

Landing Thomas and Parayko fills out a top 6/4 on the team for years to come, and while Parayko will fall off, Thomas is the perfect age for the team. Verbeek can wait until McT figures it out or McQueen becomes a top 6C, or he can kick the window open now while he has young talented players who don't have a lot of miles on them.

 

[FiveTacos]

Lacombe had one year of NHL tape. McTavish has four.

Doesn't change the fact that most players at 23 have a fair bit of runway left. Even ones who've been in the league since earlier than they probably should have.

 

[Static]

Doesn't change the fact that most players at 23 have a fair bit of runway left. Even ones who've been in the league since earlier than they probably should have.

Well, it is quite the difference. Four years and 300 NHL games in, you have a pretty good idea.

Lacombe was one year in with 70 games. That isn't close to the same situation.

 

[StreetHawk]

Landing Thomas and Parayko fills out a top 6/4 on the team for years to come, and while Parayko will fall off, Thomas is the perfect age for the team. Verbeek can wait until McT figures it out or McQueen becomes a top 6C, or he can kick the window open now while he has young talented players who don't have a lot of miles on them.

From the Blues POV, Mint is a very good add. Can debate McQueen (back injury). MacTavish, really his upside likely down to how you view his skating and his ability to either improve it or process the game like other poor skaters like Stone, Pavelski, Robertson at an elite level.

Thomas at 27 signed for 5 more years at his $8.5 mill cap hit in this rising cap is an elite asset.

I think he alone is worth both Mint and 1 of the 2 F.

 

[LuGBuG]

Well, that makes it worse now. If it was not free wheeling, how do you explain a -54 over 300+ games and try to justify McTavish as a true type center?

You explain it by realizing that until last year we were absolutely putrid, with a putrid coach.

 

[JiggywithGibby]

From the Blues POV, Mint is a very good add. Can debate McQueen (back injury). MacTavish, really his upside likely down to how you view his skating and his ability to either improve it or process the game like other poor skaters like Stone, Pavelski, Robertson at an elite level.

Thomas at 27 signed for 5 more years at his $8.5 mill cap hit in this rising cap is an elite asset.

I think he alone is worth both Mint and 1 of the 2 F.

Sure, which is why all three were included, and some more assets I'm assuming, to land both of them. If you want to break it down, Mints, McTavish, and a second for Thomas and McQueen and a first for Parayko, which was basically the same offer that got turned down from Buffalo, if not better based on where the 26 1st landed. (Who knows if Anaheim could have gone further with Parayko than the Sabers did)

The fans up the page citing this as a "brutal" return are likely doing so on the fact that they're not getting a guaranteed Thomas replacement the other way. If a team was that confident that they had a younger Thomas, they wouldn't be trading him for an older one at that point.

 

[Leo2Cutter]

From the Blues POV, Mint is a very good add. Can debate McQueen (back injury). MacTavish, really his upside likely down to how you view his skating and his ability to either improve it or process the game like other poor skaters like Stone, Pavelski, Robertson at an elite level.

Thomas at 27 signed for 5 more years at his $8.5 mill cap hit in this rising cap is an elite asset.

I think he alone is worth both Mint and 1 of the 2 F.

Mcqueen played a full year, and looked pretty good for providence... the back injury is not much of an issue w/ him. If were looking at that trade concept.. i would say the guy quoted didnt include picks

Mintyukov + blues 27 2nd for Parayko
Blues 2nd after this trade, is basically going to be top 40... Mintyukov is a good young top 4 LHD that has top pair upside. Personally i dont love it, but im very high on mintyukov.

McTavish, McQueen, 2026 1st, 2027 2nd(or diff prospect) for Thomas

2 potential top 6 centers, a 1st and a 2nd.... i assume blues would have wanted the 2nd to bump up to a 2nd 1st, or a good prospect. Anaheim getting thomas basically gives anaheim a top tier 1-2 down the middle, and really sets them up for a good 5 year run at the top of the west. I would hate to trade McQueen becuase he has such a high ceiling, Thomas would be a guy that i was okay moving him for. Mcqueen shouldnt be involved in Larkin talks tho.

 

[BlueOil]

True but one less year in term left now too. Do you think the Sabres offer the same package for Parayko with one less playoff run with Parayko still performing well? I don't.

parayko refusing to waive for buffalo is probably what prevents them from targeting him again, not having one less year of term

 

[lwvs84]

Seems like a a high risk, high reward trade for St. Louis. McTavish has shown 2C upside with flashes of 1C but had a down season. I think he rebounds to be a 55-65 point 2nd liner. Mintyukov showed flashes of being a 1D his rookie year, looked bad his second year, then rebounded after the benching and was the Ducks 2nd or 3rd best D on most nights. I think he ends up being a good #3 or a passable #2 (prime Fowler level). McQueen fell in the draft because of the injury, but was healthy all season. He's the biggest wild card of them, could be he never develops properly and busts, could end up a 1C.

Ducks know what they're getting with Thomas and Parayko. The risk is when will Parayko decline? At 33 years old, that's going to happen sooner rather than later. Barring a significant injury to someone else, he's the first player on this list that will be out of the NHL.

 

[rumrokh]

The offered deal obviously wasn't good enough for the Blues at the time and the price has certainly not gone down, especially after how Lindstein looked with Parayko, how healthy Thomas performed with healthy Holloway and Snuggerud, and the extension they just gave Holloway.

And the difference isn't a tagged-on body or pick.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

3M for TP.

Interesting.

 

[quackquackquack]

The offered deal obviously wasn't good enough for the Blues at the time and the price has certainly not gone down, especially after how Lindstein looked with Parayko, how healthy Thomas performed with healthy Holloway and Snuggerud, and the extension they just gave Holloway.

And the difference isn't a tagged-on body or pick.

The problem is what the hell is STL doing? They traded their captain at the deadline. They are highly likely moving on from their #1 goalie this summer. They've been rumored to move off of Kyrou. So like what the hell is happening? Are you in or are you rebuilding?

 

[Habs Halifax]

parayko refusing to waive for buffalo is probably what prevents them from targeting him again, not having one less year of term

Both are factors. Lets not pretend only one of them matters.

 

[bleedblue1223]

The problem is what the hell is STL doing? They traded their captain at the deadline. They are highly likely moving on from their #1 goalie this summer. They've been rumored to move off of Kyrou. So like what the hell is happening? Are you in or are you rebuilding?

I mean their captain was an aging and declining C and got a 1st+3rd+prospect, Hofer won the #1 job, so moving Binnington doesn't really have that much of an impact, and we've had a high ask for Kyrou too.

I expect them to move Binnington for what they can, Hofer has won that job. I think we'll see a re-vamped middle 6, where a Kyrou move is inevitable, we'll see what happens with Parayko, a move wouldn't shock me, we already know what they are kind of looking for there.

We are probably going to be a bubble playoff team next season as we continue to collect assets and start making a stronger push the following season. Another season of a focus on player development with the hopes of more young players like Dvorsky, Mailloux, Stenberg, Lindstein, etc. breaking out like Snuggerud did at the end of last season.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You explain it by realizing that until last year we were absolutely putrid, with a putrid coach.

I'm not one to use just one angle and go all crazy on it. I think the coach is a factor yes but the reasons why the coach was doing what he was doing is valid as well.

Us fans can defend the player or defend the coach. McTavish has to be better as a 200' forward. This is not something we can ignore and blame the coach and then say, he still has high value and it's the coaches fault.

 

[Ezpz]

Probably would have been the modern Stewart/shattenkirk for Erik Johnson where everyone was incredibly mid despite hfboards exploding.

 

[rumrokh]

The problem is what the hell is STL doing? They traded their captain at the deadline. They are highly likely moving on from their #1 goalie this summer. They've been rumored to move off of Kyrou. So like what the hell is happening? Are you in or are you rebuilding?

Hofer is their #1 goalie. He easily took the reigns this past season, no controversy. He was fantastic from November onward.

Trading Schenn made perfect sense. He's declining, they got good assets, they gave him a chance to play for a playoff-bound team (at the time), and they cleared space for younger players.

You can clearly see they're building around a younger core. The concept of going completely scorched earth and picking in the top 5 for several years is exaggerated and doesn't actually work for most teams. The ones who got stuck there for 5-10 years were not the standard, they were botched rebuilds.

The Blues made the playoffs last year and, despite having some crucial injuries this past season, almost made the playoffs again. They're a bubble team accumulating value and waiting on further player growth.

 

[quackquackquack]

Hofer is their #1 goalie. He easily took the reigns this past season, no controversy. He was fantastic from November onward.

Trading Schenn made perfect sense. He's declining, they got good assets, they gave him a chance to play for a playoff-bound team (at the time), and they cleared space for younger players.

You can clearly see they're building around a younger core. The concept of going completely scorched earth and picking in the top 5 for several years is exaggerated and doesn't actually work for most teams. The ones who got stuck there for 5-10 years were not the standard, they were botched rebuilds.

The Blues made the playoffs last year and, despite having some crucial injuries this past season, almost made the playoffs again. They're a bubble team accumulating value and waiting on further player growth.

Makes sense but then why trade Kyrou? He's 28 and Thomas is 26. If you are committed to Thomas why not commit to Kyrou on the same timeline?