Prospect Info: Draft Thread | Oilers Select 4th Overall

[snipes]

We should look at Logan Stanley in the 2nd if he's available.

 

[Stud Muffin]

Sergachev or Chychrun are the two guys we should take.

Sergachev or Juolevi. Chychrun is meh.

We should look at Logan Stanley in the 2nd if he's available.

Depends on what is done with the first rounder.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

We should look at Logan Stanley in the 2nd if he's available.

Oh please no. Look up the success rate of dmen with under .3 ppg in their draft years, it's basically a waste of a pick and yes I know who Shea Weber is. Too many dmen with much higher upside will be available in the 2nd round this year.

He gets overrated due to his size and it happens every year with dmen in drafts.

Also a player like Weber was a WHL rookie in his draft year whereas Stanley has played 2 full seasons.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

Sergachev or Juolevi. Chychrun is meh.



Depends on what is done with the first rounder.

He is having a rough game but Chychrun is far from meh.

 

[snipes]

Oh please no. Look up the success rate of dmen with under .3 ppg in their draft years, it's basically a waste of a pick and yes I know who Shea Weber is. Too many dmen with much higher upside will be available in the 2nd round this year.

He gets overrated due to his size and it happens every year with dmen in drafts.

At 6'7 he's worth a long look. Not saying we pull the trigger on him but worth studying closely.

 

[Joey Moss]

We should look at Logan Stanley in the 2nd if he's available.

I would be pretty disappointed to see that. Left hand shot with 5-6 potential. As if we don't have enough of that coming up. I wouldn't even be upset if we took all forwards this year (mix in a goalie too). By the time the off-season is over I would expect that we've moved a couple forwards for defensive help. With the amount of D prospects we already have coming, there is a lot of depth there. This draft is a great opportunity to stock up some depth up front.

With our 2nd I would much rather see a forward taken. I would also give Carter Hart consideration.

 

[Stud Muffin]

He is having a rough game but Chychrun is far from meh.

meh is a little to harsh but he has lot of rough games. His mind hasn't caught up with his talent and I'm not sure if it ever will. He's also needs work on his skating, it's a very overrated part of his game.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

At 6'7 he's worth a long look. Not saying we pull the trigger on him but worth studying closely.

Like I said every draft year there is a 1st round ranked dman that gets overrated due to his size. If you look at all the non offensive defenders drafted in the 1st round in the last 10 years, they are all probably busts... A quick search showed me that Myers was the only one that didn't bust.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

meh is a little to harsh but he has lot of rough games. His mind hasn't caught up with his talent and I'm not sure if it ever will. He's also needs work on his skating, it's a very overrated part of his game.

His skating is hit and miss honestly. One game I've seen him consistently go end to end and look like a powerful skater and in the next game he looks like an awkward skater. He is also prone to giveaways because he doesn't always think about where he is passing or dumping the puck to.

 

[Joey Moss]

Like I said every draft year there is a 1st round ranked dman that gets overrated due to his size. If you look at all the non offensive defenders drafted in the 1st round in the last 10 years, they are all probably busts... A quick search showed me that Myers was the only one that didn't bust.

Yup. Just look at Samuel Morin and Dylan McIlrath. Morin still has some potential but he's been surpassed by 3-4 players since being drafted. These guys rarely turn out and we can't afford to have a guy bust when we didn't have a huge need for the player in the first place. It's time to take a chance on some high end skill. Imagine how different our rebuild would look Saad/Jenner over Musil.

 

[Joey Moss]

His skating is hit and miss honestly. One game I've seen him consistently go end to end and look like a powerful skater and in the next game he looks like an awkward skater. He is also prone to giveaways because he doesn't always think about where he is passing or dumping the puck to.

This is exactly why I don't want us to take him. His game is so choppy and unpredictable. Sergachev or Juolevi if we're taking a defenseman for me.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

Yup. Just look at Samuel Morin and Dylan McIlrath. Morin still has some potential but he's been surpassed by 3-4 players since being drafted. These guys rarely turn out and we can't afford to have a guy bust when we didn't have a huge need for the player in the first place. It's time to take a chance on some high end skill. Imagine how different our rebuild would look Saad/Jenner over Musil.

The only one that turned out in the last 10 years is really only Myers which is sad. We draft Stanley and Oiler fans will be b***hing about the pick for years to come.

This is exactly why I don't want us to take him. His game is so choppy and unpredictable. Sergachev or Juolevi if we're taking a defenseman for me.

All 3 of them have consistency issues in different ways and that's why none of them have separated themselves from the pack.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

There's something he consistently does very well...keeping the puck in the OZ when the other team tries to clear.

 

[snipes]

Like I said every draft year there is a 1st round ranked dman that gets overrated due to his size. If you look at all the non offensive defenders drafted in the 1st round in the last 10 years, they are all probably busts... A quick search showed me that Myers was the only one that didn't bust.

Interesting. Good point.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Has anyone got anything to say about Niemelainen?

Another giant of a defender who got 26 assists as a rookie in the OHL. He has one goal. Any chance he puts of 40 points next year?

Also -23. Sounds Oilerz.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

Has anyone got anything to say about Niemelainen?

Another giant of a defender who got 26 assists as a rookie in the OHL. He has one goal. Any chance he puts of 40 points next year?

Also -23. Sounds Oilerz.

He struggled with consistency this season and completely disappeared offensively in the 2nd half of the season. He's big and smooth and despite his +/- he is pretty solid in his own end. I expect his offense to be more consistent next season but I see him as a defensive defender at the pro level. He might squeak into the 2nd but will probably be a 3rd rounder.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

Like I've told everyone, Quenneville can deliver huge checks despite his size and is an offensive dynamo. Sounds like Button loves him too. Such a high compete level.

That was a painful game to watch.

 

[Eskie Jetski]

If we end up selecting Puljujarvi, I'll only have to make a few modifications to my old Magnus Paajarvi jersey! How much would that cost?

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

If we end up selecting Puljujarvi, I'll only have to make a few modifications to my old Magnus Paajarvi jersey! How much would that cost?

I do alterations for 10 dollars plus shipping.

 

[suddeninterest]

For the 3 big Dmen for this draft I would say Chychrun has the highest floor. IMO at the least he ends up as a #2/3 all around solid Dman. The other 2 I would say their floors are more like #4 pp specialists. So all will be at least second pairing D. If I take a guess at relative ceilings I would say Chychrun = Pietro with a better shot, and Sergachev = Subban. Juolevi I have a harder time deciding a comparable for. I wanna say almost OEL, similar IQ and passing but worse skating and shot. I don't think Juolevi will be scoring a lot of goals at the NHL level unless he improves his shot, and I think Serg and Chychrun are ahead of him by a decent amount in that regard, as well as in skating, Chychrun and Serg are more explosive. All told if they all hit their ceilings then Juolevi and Sergachev will be better offensively and Chychrun will be more physical and solid defensively. However IMO Chychrun has the best chance of reaching his ceiling based on his tools, along with the farthest to fall from it. I'll take Chychrun based on that. Personally I'd rather bet on a 9 and get a 7 then bet on a 9.5 and get a 5. If all hit their ceiling then the difference between them isn't going to be a lot anyways. All of Subban, Pietro and OEL are top 10 Dmen.

 

[Mr Positive]

if we're drafting D it should bias for offense. It seems that's Juolevi

 

[Stud Muffin]

His skating is hit and miss honestly. One game I've seen him consistently go end to end and look like a powerful skater and in the next game he looks like an awkward skater. He is also prone to giveaways because he doesn't always think about where he is passing or dumping the puck to.

Its more side to side/turning then it is end to end IMO.

 

[Raab]

For the 3 big Dmen for this draft I would say Chychrun has the highest floor. IMO at the least he ends up as a #2/3 all around solid Dman. The other 2 I would say their floors are more like #4 pp specialists. So all will be at least second pairing D. If I take a guess at relative ceilings I would say Chychrun = Pietro with a better shot, and Sergachev = Subban. Juolevi I have a harder time deciding a comparable for. I wanna say almost OEL, similar IQ and passing but worse skating and shot. I don't think Juolevi will be scoring a lot of goals at the NHL level unless he improves his shot, and I think Serg and Chychrun are ahead of him by a decent amount in that regard, as well as in skating, Chychrun and Serg are more explosive. All told if they all hit their ceilings then Juolevi and Sergachev will be better offensively and Chychrun will be more physical and solid defensively. However IMO Chychrun has the best chance of reaching his ceiling based on his tools, along with the farthest to fall from it. I'll take Chychrun based on that. Personally I'd rather bet on a 9 and get a 7 then bet on a 9.5 and get a 5. If all hit their ceiling then the difference between them isn't going to be a lot anyways. All of Subban, Pietro and OEL are top 10 Dmen.

Sergachev to me honestly reminds me a lot of OEL, good skating, good passing, good IQ, great shot and offensive. Most offensive dman in the draft IMO.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

Its more side to side/turning then it is end to end IMO.

Yep it is I agree.

 

[Mr Positive]

Sergachev to me honestly reminds me a lot of OEL, good skating, good passing, good IQ, great shot and offensive. Most offensive dman in the draft IMO.

intestestingly, Bob Mac says there are teams that think he is #1 for defense