Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part VIII (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)

[Edge]

The other downside is perhaps he is injured at deadline time, that goes for both the Rangers and if he is traded and not extended.

The GM hot seat angle, to a point sure, we've seen that before, yet most of them will likely be on his no trade list if he is enforcing it.

The Rangers may have made a trade as such, and I would not have liked that either, as where it leads is where they went and now are.

There's a risk to everything. I mean we can take this a million directions.

What if they trade for him at the deadline and he gets hurt?

What if there are more teams in on him?

What if they're already further outside of the playoff race?

What if said GM is fired by then?

That's the risk, but I don't think any of that is going to way heavily on a team that wants to make some noise and sees an opportunity to get a first line player, with solid advanced stats, without having to give up anything from their roster.

 

[Off Sides]

There's a risk to everything. I mean we can take this a million directions.

What if they trade for him at the deadline and he gets hurt?

What if there are more teams in on him?

What if they're already further outside of the playoff race?

What if said GM is fired by then?

That's the risk, but I don't think any of that is going to way heavily on a team that wants to make some noise and sees an opportunity to get a first line player, with solid advanced stats, without having to give up anything from their roster.

Can we take it in the direction where the Rangers do not hold out for a top 10-15 pick because they think that is his value even if no one is willing to pay that much?

Again, I know we disagree on his value, I see it as a deadline rental very similar to Hayes or Nash with maybe a bit extra for his regular season, and that is only if his clause does not get in the way.

I'm willing to chalk it up to, we'll see and I hope I'm wrong and you guys are right.

 

[Edge]

Can we take it in the direction where the Rangers do not hold out for a top 10-15 pick because they think that is his value even if no one is willing to pay that much?

Again, I know we disagree on his value, I see it as a deadline rental very similar to Hayes or Nash with maybe a bit extra for his regular season, and that is only if his clause does not get in the way.

I'm willing to chalk it up to, we'll see and I hope I'm wrong and you guys are right.

I think if the Rangers don't get a pick they want, they’d probably switch gears and pursue prospects or young talent at that point.

I have a feeling that a decision, and move (or extension) will come sooner rather than later.

 

[Doctyl]

Colorado is the team I'm really keeping an eye on.

#4?

 

[Thirty One]

#4?

No.

 

[Doctyl]

No.

 

[Leetch3]

I think if the Rangers don't get a pick they want, they’d probably switch gears and pursue prospects or young talent at that point.

I have a feeling that a decision, and move (or extension) will come sooner rather than later.

I could also see them turning to a 2020 1st instead. It’s more of a gamble cause you don’t know where the pick will be and that’s why teams might be more willing to part with it

 

[Mac n Gs]

#4?

Their other pick is at #16. Given how their young guys took a huge step forward these playoffs, they might want to use that pick to get them a younger player that fits their core; something similar to the Montour to Buffalo trade.

 

[n8]

Back to the prospects - doing some more youtube armchair scouting, I am really liking Ryan Suzuki and Maxim Cajkovic. Those two are looking pretty studly. If Newhook doesn't fall to 20, I'm super happy to get Suzuki at 20. Cajkovic seems like a bit of a reach there but that boy skates and shoots like the wind so I wouldn't be too mad. Dorofeyev (should be spelt Darafeyev!) is darn slick but I feel like we have a better similar player in Buchnevich. Would still take him at 49 if he was still around. Jamieson Rees has some JAM about him. I figure his good showing at U18 will make him a late 1st or early 2nd round pick though. Kaliyev is strong shooter but the kid seems to play with his head down a lot which concerns me. Least impressive of the group I looked at in this go.

 

[Savant]

Their other pick is at #16. Given how their young guys took a huge step forward these playoffs, they might want to use that pick to get them a younger player that fits their core; something similar to the Montour to Buffalo trade.

As fair as that may be, I am not trading Kreider unless Panarin is on board

 

[Joey Bones]

And ?

That seems like such a lazy approach.

It's honestly soooo pointless to troll on this topic, bro....

 

[Joey Bones]

This would be a home run of a 1st round.

1,000 %!!

Rangers get a fanchise winger and a potential franchise defensemen. People tend to forget that York broke the All-Time points record from a defenseman in USNTDP history!!

 

[Joey Bones]

True, I actually think a highly-skilled LHD, with a different skill set from Miller and Hajek is more of a need than an RHD right now. So, in that regard, who do you like better- Broberg or York?

York. Sound in all three zones, doesn't make silly mistakes like Broberg does. What I mean primarily is carelessly coughing the puck up either on the rush or in the defensive zone. York has a little bit of edge to his game, too!!

 

[Mac n Gs]

As fair as that may be, I am not trading Kreider unless Panarin is on board

I'm inclined to agree, but still think a Kreider trade is happening regardless. He's at peak value and they can move him at 50%, which ends up being ridiculous value for the acquiring team.

If the whole accelerating rebuild thing is a myth, I want to see them go for quality over quantity in the earlier rounds of this draft. They've already backfilled depth, and we're running out of older assets that'll be able to garner us a ~top-15 pick. It all depends how much they want to keep turning over the organization.

 

[Joey Bones]

Would Brandon Carlo be a good comparable for a guy like Sieder?

I think Carlo was more polished when he first came into the league. Seider has his ups and downs. His best attribute is his stick positioning and good first pass. He's got pretty good speed, too. There are times, though, where he'll pinch in the offensive zone then realize he's too low and get caught on a break the other way. Could mean he's over eager, which can be coached. If all the tools can be put into the toolbox, he could have a Coburn-like career!!

 

[Joey Bones]

sadly, this was the war room right before they drafted McIlrath.....

Different personnel now. Don't @ me

 

[Ola]

Back to the prospects - doing some more youtube armchair scouting, I am really liking Ryan Suzuki and Maxim Cajkovic. Those two are looking pretty studly. If Newhook doesn't fall to 20, I'm super happy to get Suzuki at 20. Cajkovic seems like a bit of a reach there but that boy skates and shoots like the wind so I wouldn't be too mad. Dorofeyev (should be spelt Darafeyev!) is darn slick but I feel like we have a better similar player in Buchnevich. Would still take him at 49 if he was still around. Jamieson Rees has some JAM about him. I figure his good showing at U18 will make him a late 1st or early 2nd round pick though. Kaliyev is strong shooter but the kid seems to play with his head down a lot which concerns me. Least impressive of the group I looked at in this go.

Cajkovic is a bit intriguing. Can be a bit of a Tolvanen type, if he takes another step and keeps delivering at the next step it will be hard to point at a good excuse you had for passing him up. His tool box is complete, very good shot and great speed. No immediate flaws.

But he is still a kid I would be much more excited about getting late.

Suzuki has — when I’ve seen him in three occasions in international hockey — totally tackled off against he top nations.

 

[Joey Bones]

Anybody else have an opinion on him?

2nd rounder. I like what he brings to the table with size, speed and skill. But there's a part of me that thinks he'll stall at the pro level. I think he'll make a very good bottom 6 forward like Brodziak, but it's a good gamble to take outside the 1st, IMO.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I'm inclined to agree, but still think a Kreider trade is happening regardless. He's at peak value and they can move him at 50%, which ends up being ridiculous value for the acquiring team.

If the whole accelerating rebuild thing is a myth, I want to see them go for quality over quantity in the earlier rounds of this draft. They've already backfilled depth, and we're running out of older assets that'll be able to garner us a ~top-15 pick. It all depends how much they want to keep turning over the organization.

I agree with this. I’m also fine trading Kreider and not signing Panarin.

 

[Joey Bones]

I thought I posted a response already, but apparently I didn't.

Without getting too far into reading tea leaves, there are several soundbites on there that match (almost verbatim) what I've had quoted to me about certain players from people I've talked.

:20 to :24 - Byram

:45 to :51 - Newhook

I think :20-:24 could also be said about Dach and Cozens.

:45-:51 does sound like Newhook to me, too. Or one of Kakko/Hughes

 

[Lion Hound]

2nd rounder. I like what he brings to the table with size, speed and skill. But there's a part of me that thinks he'll stall at the pro level. I think he'll make a very good bottom 6 forward like Brodziak, but it's a good gamble to take outside the 1st, IMO.

I have a really good feeling about Leason. Wouldn’t be disappointed if it was him at #20. If he was a 2nd rounder that would be amazing!

 

[Ola]

I was so close to leaving,

And all I'm saying it that is the type of overpay I'd expect if the Rangers wanted to try to move up to get Zegras, Broberg or Newhook given those team who have that opportunity to draft them are not going to take #20 and #~59 in this draft to not draft them.

That chart 2008 #17 and #28 to get to #12 is far more like what I'd expect. Kreider and #20 is that far off? Was Myers considered a better prospect than Zegras Broberg, Newhook are today?

I wouldn’t be surprised if you were right on Kreider.

The big issue isn’t Kreider’s value vs a 2nd round pick. There are not a ton of picks between 6 and 14 in a draft, including the two mentioned there are 9 to be precise. Like 6 of them won’t be contemplating trading down, it’s NHL GMs we are taking about.

That leaves 3 teams maybe that would consider them. Are they interested in Kreider? Cap space? The price for a commodity in a 3 team market can be a lot lower then on a 30 team market.

 

[RangerBlues]

Different personnel now. Don't @ me

They drafted a goalie at the top of the second round last season.

 

[n8]

Cajkovic is a bit intriguing. Can be a bit of a Tolvanen type, if he takes another step and keeps delivering at the next step it will be hard to point at a good excuse you had for passing him up. His tool box is complete, very good shot and great speed. No immediate flaws.

But he is still a kid I would be much more excited about getting late.

Suzuki has — when I’ve seen him in three occasions in international hockey — totally tackled off against he top nations.

yeah, I still have Suzuki over Cajkovic. Suzuki has this slippery quality to him like Patrick Kane. Cajkovic is like a speedy bull, more like a Kreider type - not sure how physical Cajkovic is so not sure if that is the best comparison. I like his shot better than Kreider's though and his skating looks smoother. Maybe Tolvanen is the right comparison but I haven't seen much of him play yet either!

 

[Joey Bones]

I have a really good feeling about Leason. Wouldn’t be disappointed if it was him at #20. If he was a 2nd rounder that would be amazing!

It could happen. Not knocking it against him. But a double overager now putting the pieces together seems very sketchy for a 1st rounder, IMO. He's got obvious strengths, but they're might be a player like Brink falling in the draft. Maybe even Dorofeyev, too. Might want to "reach" on the potential skill than a safe bottom-6 player.