Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part VI (Lottery 04/09 8PM EST)

[bl02]

I really like Seider. He's a definite wild card so I can't really say where he's going to be selected but I wouldn't be surprised if it's at 15 or 31.

Going to be pretty unhappy if we leave this draft without a righty defenseman in the first two rounds, especially if we have five or six picks to work with.

I hear what you're saying but if they add Fox that's ADA, Fox, Nils off the top of my head who should be very good young dmen. So if it comes down to picking a sniping forward or decent RHD lets say with a possible TB/Dallas first rounder then it might not be a no brainer. If there are some decent RHD in the second round I'm cool with that.

 

[Bluenote13]

I hear what you're saying but if they add Fox that's ADA, Fox, Nils off the top of my head who should be very good young dmen. So if it comes down to picking a sniping forward or decent RHD lets say with a possible TB/Dallas first rounder then it might not be a no brainer. If there are some decent RHD in the second round I'm cool with that.

Outside of goalie I wouldn't stop drafting at any position at this point, there are a lot of unproven and a lot of question marks and even the guys that are in those positions now need the competition behind them to keep their games at a high level.

 

[Off Sides]

You cannot possibly be serious and say that you wold pass on a Dach, Turcotte or Zegras to take Kaliyef or Caufield or Bring.

While I would not go there that early, I would like to see the Rangers put more wights on ceilings than on safe in this draft.

 

[Edge]

my point was shooter first.

i said those were the guys i identified as shooters.

and then i said i would chose dylan cozens over all the shooters mentioned.

so my premise was cozens >all the others i mentioned.

not so much the other shooters over dach or turcotte or even zegras.

cozens>dach>zegras>turcotte

but i do like boldy, brink and caulfield alot however, not more than the above.

i have boldy higher than most and i also have bobby brink higher as well.

my feelings on alex newhook are quite clear

gimme dylan cozens and any of the other mentioned here and im quite happy.

cozens is priority 1 however.

I would say for your preferences it might be Cozens and then Turcotte at number two, if you're looking for shooters among the quartet listed.

 

[WilsonNY14]

Just did tankathon sim and we got #1 on the first one. Figured I'd stop then. Let's pray this happens tonight

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Ours wouldnt be built in time...Gorton would have to send out a letter first

Gorts would wait until the last minute of the car making time... Because thats where all the good cars are made.

 

[Edge]

While I would not go there that early, I would like to see the Rangers put more wights on ceilings than on safe in this draft.

Personally, I don't think the Caufield, Brink, or Kaliyev have the higher overall ceilings than Turcotte, Zegras, Dach or Cozens. I would say if you're picking a little lower, there's the value of maybe them having as high a ceiling as those guys. They would however be more inclined toward goal scoring.

But I've often found that playmakers at the lower level often have their goal scoring ability sold short. Someone like Dach, or Zegras, or even Hughes don't necessarily put up 50 goals against their teenage peers, and yet those numbers tend to hold steady at the NHL level.

So for example, someone like Zegras or Dach might very well score 20-25 goals at the NHL level because of their intelligence and hockey sense. They'll add 40-60 assists on top of it, but they'll get some goals. Likewise a "goal" scorer at the lower level might net 30-35 at the NHL level, but only add 30-40 assists.

Point being, after a lot of rambling, I think there's a tendency to sell "playmakers" a little short when it comes to scoring goals.

 

[yzerman]

Did the sim 15 times yesterday and the Rangers got 1st pick 4 times

 

[Joey Bones]

Are you sure about that?

Because, fun fact, under these new lottery rules, every single year the #2 overall pick has gone to a team with 6th or worse odds. Yes, you read that right.

You better knock on some wood, guy!!

 

[Leetch3]

All this talk about it being rigged. Enough already. There are representatives of all teams in the room, plus 2 independent people checking the chart. A chart that was given to each team's representative as well. Then they draw 4 balls from a machine by pressing a button while not looking at the machine.

What else can the NHL do to make people believe it isn't rigged?

give us the #1 pick. then i will believe them

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Personally, I don't think the Caufield, Brink, or Kaliyev have the higher overall ceilings than Turcotte, Zegras, Dach or Cozens. I would say if you're picking a little lower, there's the value of maybe them having as high a ceiling as those guys. They would however be more inclined toward goal scoring.

But I've often found that playmakers at the lower level often have their goal scoring ability sold short. Someone like Dach, or Zegras, or even Hughes don't necessarily put up 50 goals against their teenage peers, and yet those numbers tend to hold steady at the NHL level.

So for example, someone like Zegras or Dach might very well score 20-25 goals at the NHL level because of their intelligence and hockey sense. They'll add 40-60 assists on top of it, but they'll get some goals. Likewise a "goal" scorer at the lower level might net 30-35 at the NHL level, but only add 30-40 assists.

Point being, after a lot of rambling, I think there's a tendency to sell "playmakers" a little short when it comes to scoring goals.

I’ve went on this rant a few times, the pure sniper type of player is the most overrated type of player/skill set in the hockey world (IMO)

 

[True Blue]

This year my guy is Zegras, but if we pick at 9 like last year, coming away with Broberg is not the end of the world, just like Kravstov last year.

I think that coming away with Kravsov now looks fantastic. Coming away with Broberg will just not look that way. They will have clearly missed out on the top tier of prospects.

Life in Rangerland. Lottery and they fall to 9th. All of the top picks are gone. They draft Broberg. He becomes the next Michael Del Zotto. Krebs goes on to have a solid career elsewhere as a 2C.

 

[Off Sides]

Personally, I don't think the Caufield, Brink, or Kaliyev have the higher overall ceilings than Turcotte, Zegras, Dach or Cozens. I would say if you're picking a little lower, there's the value of maybe them having as high a ceiling as those guys. They would however be more inclined toward goal scoring.

But I've often found that playmakers at the lower level often have their goal scoring ability sold short. Someone like Dach, or Zegras, or even Hughes don't necessarily put up 50 goals against their teenage peers, and yet those numbers tend to hold steady at the NHL level.

So for example, someone like Zegras or Dach might very well score 20-25 goals at the NHL level because of their intelligence and hockey sense. They'll add 40-60 assists on top of it, but they'll get some goals. Likewise a "goal" scorer at the lower level might net 30-35 at the NHL level, but only add 30-40 assists.

Point being, after a lot of rambling, I think there's a tendency to sell "playmakers" a little short when it comes to scoring goals.

That is pretty much what I meant by saying not that early, the earlier picks I am not going for only ceiling, those earlier picks have that and are relatively safe.

It's the next grouping that is expected to go after like pick 9 up to and thru 18 or so, that includes some defenders expected to maybe top out as #3s, some cerebral yet not all that productive guys who likely end up as middle 6Fs, that is where if a choice is made between the two types, I'd go ceiling over safe.

 

[True Blue]

While I would not go there that early, I would like to see the Rangers put more wights on ceilings than on safe in this draft.

I get that. But not that early.

 

[Joey Bones]

First try

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KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!!!

 

[Joey Bones]

If Spencer Knight is still available at 31 (and assuming we get Tampa's pick in that slot), do you take him?

Yes, although it would blow HF up!!

Likely a team grabs him early, though....

 

[Joey Bones]

I disagree. He may be the BPA at that slot, but I feel like need has to play a part when drafting goalies. I'm really not interested in drafting a guy just so we can trade him, or someone else, 4 or 5 years from now. If there are concerns that none of our young goalies will become #1s, then I can see it, but I don't think that's the case.

If he's available at 31, then see if someone wants to trade up for him.

I like this take, but I think a team that is barren in their future goalie market will reach early on him. McKenzie had him going No. 15 after talking to his 10 scouts.

 

[Joey Bones]

Honest question here. Do you guys think this lottery is rigged? I mean they show the power ball numbers for a $900 million drawing live on tv yet they won’t show a sports teams balls popping out? Pittsburgh was financially strapped in 05 and win Crosby. Edmonton with their “luck” of winning year after year. Maybe I’m thinking too far into it?

Nope, just luck....

 

[broadwayblue]

I think that coming away with Kravsov now looks fantastic. Coming away with Broberg will just not look that way. They will have clearly missed out on the top tier of prospects.

Life in Rangerland. Lottery and they fall to 9th. All of the top picks are gone. They draft Broberg. He becomes the next Michael Del Zotto. Krebs goes on to have a solid career elsewhere as a 2C.

Would be a miracle if we dropped 3 spots. Certainly the probability is greater than 0, but the odds are so much more likely we drop 2 or only 1 spot. I feel reasonably comfortable that we'll be picking 7th, give or take 1 spot.

 

[bl02]

I’ve went on this rant a few times, the pure sniper type of player is the most overrated type of player/skill set in the hockey world (IMO)

How about a sniper with some wheels? someone who you have to respect at all times in the ozone. I know those guys don't fall into the late teens/ Early 20's but it would be nice to one day have someone like that.

 

[Lone Ranger]

We stay at 6, draft Bowen Byram, who turns into the second coming of Brian Leetch.

 

[Trxjw]

Just feels like Zegras lines up to be a Rangers pick. Quinn/BU connection, Rangers rumored to like him, and the last time we took an Avon Old Farms alum in the top-10 he managed to get his number hung up in the rafters.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Just feels like Zegras lines up to be a Rangers pick. Quinn/BU connection, Rangers rumored to like him, and the last time we took an Avon Old Farms alum in the top-10 he managed to get his number hung up in the rafters.

He would, but we shouldn't be picking him at #2

 

[True Blue]

Would be a miracle if we dropped 3 spots. Certainly the probability is greater than 0, but the odds are so much more likely we drop 2 or only 1 spot. I feel reasonably comfortable that we'll be picking 7th, give or take 1 spot.

That would be very logical. Were it not to have the Rangers involved.

 

[Priorae]

Would be a miracle if we dropped 3 spots. Certainly the probability is greater than 0, but the odds are so much more likely we drop 2 or only 1 spot. I feel reasonably comfortable that we'll be picking 7th, give or take 1 spot.

Yeah I'd agree with this. Play the percentages and the Rangers pick 7th, which is fine.