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Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part III

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jas said:
He’ll be on the board when we pick at 6OA.
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I think so too. I think that the top 5 has Byram, Dach & Cozens. Then comes the fun tier of Podkolizin, Bodly & Turcotte. I have maintained all along that I would take Boldy ahead of Turcotte. But if we are worried about what the lack of production means with Pogkolizin, then we also need to examine the production that Turcotte is showing. Tough choice.
 
True Blue said:
I think so too. I think that the top 5 has Byram, Dach & Cozens. Then comes the fun tier of Podkolizin, Bodly & Turcotte. I have maintained all along that I would take Boldy ahead of Turcotte. But if we are worried about what the lack of production means with Pogkolizin, then we also need to examine the production that Turcotte is showing. Tough choice.
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Turcotte has 10 less points than Boldy in 22 less games, Turcotte’s production this year is really good, he just missed a pretty decent chunk of time to injury

Edit: his PPG is also second on his team behind Hughes
 
Alfie Turcotte, Alex's Dad, came up in the Montreal system same time as Claude Lemieux, Brendan's father.

Alfie played in the minors and Pro's for a long time he knows a lot of people in this game, people who now work for organizations that might be drafting his son in June.

Rangers connection? Francois Allaire, Benny's bro, coached him in the AHL. Alfie played one season for the Nova Scotia Oilers in 1987 and was teammates with Beukeboom, Noonan, and Don Biggs. Current NHL head coaches Bruce Cassidy and Bruce Boudreau were also on that team. Larry Kish was their coach, he played his college hockey at Providence with Lou Lamoriello back in the 60s. After that season Alfie went to play for the Baltimore Skipjacks in the capital's organization where Barry Trotz was a minor-league assistant, then head coach. Joel Quennville was one of his teammates.
 
Turcotte has grown to be a bit more physically assertive too as his injuries have healed, so he’s clearly growing into that projected two-way force as many have predicted. That physical edge is what makes me rank him above Zegras, even though I think Zegras has a higher skill level.

Despite that, Turcotte strikes me as the standout from that USDP group sans Hughes who has the ability to carry his own team.
 
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True Blue said:
I think so too. I think that the top 5 has Byram, Dach & Cozens. Then comes the fun tier of Podkolizin, Bodly & Turcotte. I have maintained all along that I would take Boldy ahead of Turcotte. But if we are worried about what the lack of production means with Pogkolizin, then we also need to examine the production that Turcotte is showing. Tough choice.
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Podkolzin is the wild card.

He can go third, or be the guy who slips out of the top 10.

Personally, I'd be thrilled to walk away with either Turcotte or Boldy, but I do have Turcotte several spots ahead of Boldy.
 
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Mac n Gs said:
Turcotte has grown to be a bit more physically assertive too as his injuries have healed, so he’s clearly growing into that projected two-way force as many have predicted. That physical edge is what makes me rank him above Zegras, even though I think Zegras has a higher skill level.

Despite that, Turcotte strikes me as the standout from that USDP group sans Hughes who has the ability to carry his own team.
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Speaking to the first part, it'll be interesting to see how Turcotte checks-out at the combine. Obviously teams are looking at the growth of each prospect's game, but if a kid they had listed at 5'11, 185 comes to the combine at 6'1, 195, it is something they take into consideration.

While size isn't as much of a factor as it used to be, all things being equal teams are still going to be comfortable with a few extra inches and additional weight. After all, pro hockey is still a grind.
 
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jas said:
Brink, Caulfield or Dorofeyev...who’s everyone’s choice and why?
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I have Dorofyev the highest because I think he has little extra on the upside.

I actually have Brink the lowest of the three --- and by a pretty significant margin.

What he's doing in the USHL is amazing, but IMO it is still behind someone like Caufield, and Dorofeyev.

You put Brink in either of their slots, and I don't think he quite matches what they do. That's not an insult on Brink, it's just a testament to what the other two guys have done.

I generally find their games to be more advanced, more mature and further along at this point. Brink could certainly catch them, but he's not there yet and that has to factor into my calculations.

If Caufield or Dorofeyev were under-performing, it certainly closes that gap a bit more. But they're not.
 
jas said:
I have a feeling that the Rangers could be targeting one these three by trading up from the Jets 1st.
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My absolute dream scenario is walking away from the draft with Turcotte and Caufield, but like last year I’ll be into a lot of the kids out there, I think there’s less that I don’t want this year than I did last year
 
I like Caufield but he's so small. His combine readout will be huge for where he goes I think. If he's like 5'9 I think teams are more likely to take him first round.

Dorofeyev and Brink are probably tied for me, I'd take either

And Turcotte is the guy. I've been saying this for a while now. If he didn't get injured, he'd easily be challenging for the 3rd spot in everyone's rankings
 
jas said:
So..:three different posters, three different answers.
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I also haven't looked to see what their average ranking is either.

A quick glance has Brink at 25.2, Dorofeyev at 27.6 (but that is weighed down heavily by McKenzie having him at 65), and Caufield at 17.8
 
Edge said:
Podkolzin is the wild card.

He can go third, or be the guy who slips out of the top 10.
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Beginning to feel like he slides. The lack of production has to be a flag. And add to that the thought that he may kick around the KHL for 2 or 3 more years. If he gets to the 12-15 range, I would love to have Gorton be in a position to pounce and make a deal to pick higher. Then again, if Zegras slides a bit or Newhook are also in that range.......
 
jas said:
Brink, Caulfield or Dorofeyev...who’s everyone’s choice and why?
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Would easily take Brink in the 20-25 range. Dorofeyev probably around 15.

Caufield is just too small. Not everyone is MSL.

Dorofeyev's upside is probably highest of them. But I would hesitate to reach for him earlier. Especially if players are Newhook are still around. Or if Zegras is in striking distance.
 
True Blue said:
Beginning to feel like he slides. The lack of production has to be a flag. And add to that the thought that he may kick around the KHL for 2 or 3 more years. If he gets to the 12-15 range, I would love to have Gorton be in a position to pounce and make a deal to pick higher. Then again, if Zegras slides a bit or Newhook are also in that range.......
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I dunno, outside of these boards, there's a lot of intrigue and interest in him. That's always something I have to take into consideration --- there's the HF chatter, and then there's what's out there in other circles.

I've yet to hear much chatter abroad about Podkolzin slipping, but there's a logical argument to be had as to why he would. I just don't know how wide spread it is at this point.

Now I will say that, as a general rule, TSN is usually a decent gauge to see how people are talking out there. It doesn't give an exact road map, but it does give some insight as to what thoughts are starting to percolate.
 
I would love a scenario where we were in position to draft Byram around 3 to 5, trade up with the Jets pick and take a wild card - Dorofeyev, Caufield or Podkolzin. Then with either the Tampa first or our 2nd rounder take Center Ilya Nikolaev.

We get a possible #1 Dman, dynamic winger and a skilled Centerman that makes up for missing out on the top centers in the top 10.

At least that's just one scenario floating around my head right now....
 
Bluenote13 said:
I would love a scenario where we were in position to draft Byram around 3 to 5, trade up with the Jets pick and take a wild card - Dorofeyev, Caufield or Podkolzin. Then with either the Tampa first or our 2nd rounder take Center Ilya Nikolaev.

We get a possible #1 Dman, dynamic winger and a skilled Centerman that makes up for missing out on the top centers in the top 10.

At least that's just one scenario floating around my head right now....
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Outside of Hughes or Kakko, that's pretty much my dream --- though with Newhook also in the mix.

For me, there's a cutoff on my list around the 10 spot where I'd be at least slightly less happy with those guys being our "top" pick.
 
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I would love a scenario where we were in position to draft Byram around 3 to 5, trade up with the Jets pick and take a wild card - Dorofeyev, Caufield or Podkolzin. Then with either the Tampa first or our 2nd rounder take Center Ilya Nikolaev.
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Subsitute Zegras or Newhook for Caufield and you and I are sharing the same dream.
 
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