Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part III

[Mac n Gs]

FWIW, Ville Heinola as been playing alongside Tarmo Reunanen in Lukko. It's known that the Rangers have been in contact with Tarmo this year (not sure if in person or elsewhere). Could be speculative that NYR are taking a look at the young defenseman....

Isn't Saarela's younger brother on that team too?

 

[Sarge13]

Newhook with 3 goals and 5 assists vs Nanaimo tonight in the 10-6 win.

101 points in 53 games is okay I guess....

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Why do you think so many so many people rank him in the top-3?

Because he's flashy and performed at the right moments (international tournaments). That's it.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Why do you think so many so many people rank him in the top-3?

Because they overvalue short international tournaments and "Tools"

 

[duhmetreE]

Thoughts on Caufield? Wouldn't mind taking a flyer on him with one of the picks we accumulate.

It's a small mans NHL

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Because he's flashy and performed at the right moments (international tournaments). That's it.

Because they overvalue short international tournaments and "Tools"

I think you're both underselling him quite a bit. His 200 foot game is exceptional. He plays hard and physical. He backchecks his tail off. And the goals that he has scored reveals what kind of offensive talent he has.

Guess we'll see..

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think you're both underselling him quite a bit. His 200 foot game is exceptional. He plays hard and physical. He backchecks his tail off. And the goals that he has scored reveals what kind of offensive talent he has.

Guess we'll see..

I've seen quite a lot from him this season and a little last season. I've been to several games he played in and I think the top-3 ranking is a bit much.

I've said before that I would pick Dorofeyev over Podkolzin and I stand by that statement.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I've seen quite a lot from him this season and a little last season. I've been to several games he played in and I think the top-3 ranking is a bit much.

I've said before that I would pick Dorofeyev over Podkolzin and I stand by that statement.

Ranking aside, what kind of player do you see him developing into as an NHL'r?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Ranking aside, what kind of player do you see him developing into as an NHL'r?

Podkolzin? Tough to say. From a Ranger perspective: A more skilled Vesey, I guess. Maybe a bit of Victor Arvidsson in there. But the biggest question mark for me with Podkolzin is his lack of consistency

Dorofeyev is basically a Kravtsov clone. Both Kravtsov and Dorofeyev I would compare to Filip Forsberg.

 

[duhmetreE]

Because they overvalue short international tournaments and "Tools"

but doesn't that personify the type of player we want? A gamer who shows up in big spots?

I don't know at #3 with Dach there.

 

[duhmetreE]

Podkolzin? Tough to say. From a Ranger perspective: A more skilled Vesey, I guess. Maybe a bit of Victor Arvidsson in there. But the biggest question mark for me with Podkolzin is his lack of consistency

Dorofeyev is basically a Kravtsov clone. Both Kravtsov and Dorofeyev I would compare to Filip Forsberg.

man, that name though... that's like 10% of my scouting

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

man, that name though... that's like 10% of my scouting

Very timid kid, by the way. Definitely not one to take the lead in a group, the way Kravtsov does. But, the skill and mature play is what has me hooked

 

[duhmetreE]

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Podkolzin? Tough to say. From a Ranger perspective: A more skilled Vesey, I guess. Maybe a bit of Victor Arvidsson in there. But the biggest question mark for me with Podkolzin is his lack of consistency

Dorofeyev is basically a Kravtsov clone. Both Kravtsov and Dorofeyev I would compare to Filip Forsberg.

The only comparison I see with Pod and Vesey is they both play hockey. Pod is much more dynamic. Better hands. Better vision. Better defensively. Just, a completely different player altogether.

Unlike you though, I haven't seen him in person. I've seen practically every video of him around, but that's not the same. I guess I'll trust your judgement since you do a great job with your player analysis with overseas players.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The only comparison I see with Pod and Vesey is they both play hockey. Pod is much more dynamic. Better hands. Better vision. Better defensively. Just, a completely different player altogether.

Unlike you though, I haven't seen him in person. I've seen practically every video of him around, but that's not the same. I guess I'll trust your judgement since you do a great job with your player analysis with overseas players.

That's why I said a more skilled Vesey. They are just skating hard, without thinking. Podkolzin looks like a headless chicken when he has some bounces going against him. He lacks composure.

 

[Ghost of jas]

That's why I said a more skilled Vesey. They are just skating hard, without thinking. Podkolzin looks like a headless chicken when he has some bounces going against him. He lacks composure.

Sounds more like a skilled Hagelin.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Sounds more like a skilled Hagelin.

Podkolzin doesn't have the speed of Hagelin in my opinion, but never stops skating. I am just not a big fan of those type of players because they don't age well

 

[FIRE DRURY]

That's why I said a more skilled Vesey. They are just skating hard, without thinking. Podkolzin looks like a headless chicken when he has some bounces going against him. He lacks composure.

Sounds more like a skilled Hagelin.

I love the tenacity and edge he plays with, especially as a 17 year old "Russian" kid. He engages in physical battles and doesn't why away from contact. His stride needs some work. I see what you're talking about where he looks like a headless chicken at times.

A more skilled Hagelin, imo, can translate into a top-line forechecking monster.

Shame he wants to spend more time in Russia and continue his development. It's probably best though. I prefer the guy we select isn't 3 years away from coming to NA.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I love the tenacity and edge he plays with, especially as a 17 year old "Russian" kid. He engages in physical battles and doesn't why away from contact. His stride needs some work. I see what you're talking about where he looks like a headless chicken at times.

A more skilled Hagelin, imo, can translate into a top-line forechecking monster.

Shame he wants to spend more time in Russia and continue his development. It's probably best though. I prefer the guy we select isn't 3 years away from coming to NA.

I still, after all these years, do not understand how this is considered a bad thing. It didn't hurt Panarin, Kuznetsov, Tarasenko or even Malkin to stay in Russia until they were at least 21.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I still, after all these years, do not understand how this is considered a bad thing. It didn't hurt Panarin, Kuznetsov, Tarasenko or even Malkin to stay in Russia until they were at least 21.

It’s different when the team’s are picking these guys in the top 10, GMs generally feel like they don’t have the leeway to wait that long for help if their team is that bad

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

It’s different when the team’s are picking these guys in the top 10, GMs generally feel like they don’t have the leeway to wait that long for help if their team is that bad

if a player is NHL-ready, sure. But I don't see the point in having them play in the AHL as an 18 or 19-year old.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Kakko is ridiculous:

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

if a player is NHL-ready, sure. But I don't see the point in having them play in the AHL as an 18 or 19-year old.

They feel closer, teams have more control, ability to put them into the NHL. I’m not saying it’s the right way to do things, but GMs care more about their jobs than the long term future of the team

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I still, after all these years, do not understand how this is considered a bad thing. It didn't hurt Panarin, Kuznetsov, Tarasenko or even Malkin to stay in Russia until they were at least 21.

Because some of us are impatient ****'s

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Because some of us are impatient ****'s

Look at Russians in the AHL at the ages of 18-21. Look at how that has "helped" their careers.

But I also believe it was the wrong call to have Lias in the AHL instead of the SHL.