and lets be real here we aren't talking about zadina dropping to 37th. we are talking about him dropping from #3 to #5 or 6 when everyone has said from day one that its a toss up from 3-9
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Amazing Kreiderman
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What I've wondered: If players are drafted ahead of where they were projected, are they really a reach or just a bad projection?
I'm the one with the narrative? Lol
I guess my 'narrative' is, if he's so great you wouldn't want to pass him up. I haven't heard of too many teams not being able to trade highly successful wingers when they have too many.
Not really the same. He's been ranked top 3 all year.
And I really don't mean he's dog shit, but they are saying out of the top 5 and beyond.
So was Filip Forsberg.
We'll see how far he falls, but I don't think he falls beyond Ottawa.
'So was' 'player who never made it'.
Really? Come on, we could do that all day.
Specifically, I see a talented winger who doesn't play a 200 ft game dropping.
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Brooks mentioned Wahlstrom and Bouchard. Do we think he knows what he's talking about with who we are targeting?
Did he mention Anderson last year?
Did he mention Anderson last year?
No.
Or could he be dropping because other teams have more pressing needs I.E Montreal at C.
Or could he be dropping because other teams have more pressing needs I.E Montreal at C.
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3 or 4. He and Boqvist were at roughly the same tier to start the year, but Zadina separated himself while Boqvist's concussion rumors and difficulty in the SHL dropped him
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We got the pick like right before the draft, Brooks didn’t really have a chance to drop any names for 7.
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I don't think he has a clue. He's either spitballing or its smokescreen from the front office.
I gotcha, it's my opinion that the price is not worth moving up to 4 and if he falls to 9 that's not a good sign.
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There are a lot of ways draft day could go. Specific needs and smokescreen tactics will be plentiful beforehand, but this draft (just like any year) will be exciting!! Here are some bold predictions that I think could happen leading up to and on draft day....
Trade Rumors
1. Karlsson won't be traded, but Hoffman will
2. Edmonton will move No. 10, not Draisaitl, to get rid of Lucic
3. Calgary will move into the 1st round by trading Hamilton AND Bennett
4. Carolina won't trade Skinner, but will trade Lindholm
5. Rangers won't trade Zuccarello, but will move two of Hayes, Vesey, Namestnikov, Spooner
6. Toronto will try to trade Marner
7. Kessel will stay in Pittsburgh
8. Vegas will obtain ROR
9. Montreal, Chicago and St. Louis will be the most active teams moving pieces around
10. Islanders, Dallas and Vegas will be the least active teams moving pieces around
Draft
1. Brady Tkachuk will drop out of the top 10
2. Jesperi Kotkaniemi will go in the top 5
3. Joe Veleno will be selected in the top 10
4. Jared McIsaac will go in the top 15
5. The biggest riser in the 1st round will be Ty Dellandrea
6. The biggest faller in the 1st round will be Joel Farabee
7. Vitali Kravtsov won't rise as much as most are thinking. He'll go in the early 20's
8. Filip Zadina WON'T drop out of the top 5
9. Bulat Shafigulin, Calen Addison and Jake Wise will be 1st round picks on Friday
10. Grigori Denisenko, Dominik Bokk and Ryan Merkley will fall out of the 1st round
With the 9th overall pick in the 2018 NHL Entry Draft.... The New York Rangers select....
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OLIVER WAHLSTROM!!!!!!!!!
Feel free to ask any questions!!
Trade Rumors
1. Karlsson won't be traded, but Hoffman will
2. Edmonton will move No. 10, not Draisaitl, to get rid of Lucic
3. Calgary will move into the 1st round by trading Hamilton AND Bennett
4. Carolina won't trade Skinner, but will trade Lindholm
5. Rangers won't trade Zuccarello, but will move two of Hayes, Vesey, Namestnikov, Spooner
6. Toronto will try to trade Marner
7. Kessel will stay in Pittsburgh
8. Vegas will obtain ROR
9. Montreal, Chicago and St. Louis will be the most active teams moving pieces around
10. Islanders, Dallas and Vegas will be the least active teams moving pieces around
Draft
1. Brady Tkachuk will drop out of the top 10
2. Jesperi Kotkaniemi will go in the top 5
3. Joe Veleno will be selected in the top 10
4. Jared McIsaac will go in the top 15
5. The biggest riser in the 1st round will be Ty Dellandrea
6. The biggest faller in the 1st round will be Joel Farabee
7. Vitali Kravtsov won't rise as much as most are thinking. He'll go in the early 20's
8. Filip Zadina WON'T drop out of the top 5
9. Bulat Shafigulin, Calen Addison and Jake Wise will be 1st round picks on Friday
10. Grigori Denisenko, Dominik Bokk and Ryan Merkley will fall out of the 1st round
With the 9th overall pick in the 2018 NHL Entry Draft.... The New York Rangers select....
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OLIVER WAHLSTROM!!!!!!!!!
Feel free to ask any questions!!
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But we weren't trading Stepan according to him. He's clueless. He's just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. He's wrong more often than not, but the times he's right, he gets credited for being "the guy on the inside"
Good comparison, they are not carbon copies as players but Zadina just like Kessel will score pts, a lot of them. Then sure -- he won't be perfect all over. Far from it.
I think Zadina reminds me a lot of Markus Näslund in terms of style, Näslund needed a good number of years before he got hot and was top 1-2 in the game for a couple of years.
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Quite the list of predictions, Veleno in the top 10 hmm Chicago?
I can't see the Rangers passing on Tkachuk but would be quite happy with Walhstrom as well.
I can't see Farabee falling, if he does I'd be all for moving up to get him.
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MacKenzie had a comment to go along with this (zadina specifically) that was obvious once he said it. If he can produce without being in elite shape, how is going to do once he gets professionals managing his training? He did temper it by saying some look at it as a work ethic issue. Bottom line, if he's competitive he will do what he needs to do.
Another combine thought: scouts were not happy that Hughes passed on the workouts. Wanted to see the effort and it may impact his position. Pointed out the Dobson worked out right after the memorial cup. Dobson, for the record, did not fly across the ocean and I think it's a little US/Canadian bias, but i digress.
Interesting, I would definitely say that Kravtsov was a lot more explosive in the KHL POs than in that Nov 30 game were he looked like he was still growing into his body. Never wrong to be able to pick up a kid who is rising fast.
Saw that Bobby Mac mentioned that Kravtsov was mentioned multiple times by scouts in the top 5 range. Not surprised at all, I have said it all along, there cannot be a consensus top 6/8/10 in this draft, there isn't much difference between the 5 and at least 15, and even 20, like looking at it from a quality tier point of view. I think there should be a consensus top 3, but it is definitely possible to put guys like Boqvist, Wahlstrom, Bouchard, Dobson, Hughes and Tkachuk head to head with a bunch of guys like Wilde, Kotkaniemi, Farabee, even Bergström, Ty Smith, Merkley and a few others -- and point at pros and cons that somewhat are divided equally between them. People will see different things in these kids, value things differently. Many will not feel comfortable with some of these kids, they are not perfect. I can't believe that there are 31 scouting departments who will see Boqvist's defense, Wahlstrom's mobility, Hughes size as a defender, Bouchard's skating, Merkley's attitude, Farabee somewhat less than perfect skating and not walk away with a significant amount of concern. How fast will the game be for Dobson out of kids hockey? Tkachuk, he brother has gotten it done for a few years, but a PF, really? In the game today? Everyone have issues. Everyone mentioned also has a lot of potential, they can become really good players.
It will be super exciting to see what happen on draft day.
From my point of view, you must be super high on one of the Ds to pass on Kotkaniemi.
Log-jam at center? If we draft Kotkaniemi, we have Ziba+Hayes plus four kids, Kotka, Lias, Chytil and Howden. If two of those centers play wing we don't even have a log-jam even if all make it and we keep both vets for 2-5 years. But sure if -- everyone -- pans out and remains here, we could get to a point were it is less than perfect.
But with a center we basically get a shot at a do over. We could keep him. But they will also always be in demand. The next time an elite player is traded, you can bet that a Kotkaniemi would be a heck of a start to any package we want to put together.
From a general draft strategy point of view, I wouldn't be in love with going with:
1. A smaller PMD. BPA vs MVA, most valuable asset, I would go with the later. Go back 5-10 years, how many small PMDs where available in a 1st round? Zero in 2010. 1 in 2011. 1 in 2012 if you count Dumba's 6'0 as small... Zero in 2013. Two in 2014. Zero in 2015. Zero in 2016. 4 in 2017. This year 5-6 smaller PMDs could go in the first. They are all over, there is so much room for them in the game today. We are going to see a big portion of the top Ds that come up be these type of PMDs who are really skilled and good. And the question is -- how many of them can you carry on a team. Its one thing to have one on each side, but when you come closer to a blueline with 3 or 4 smaller Ds, its definitely becomes an issue. Sure, Q Hughes or Boqvist could become special. Really special. But I would only go after either if I was really really high on them. The market will get saturated with this type of smaller PMDs when all teams start to have 1-2 guys on the roster and another couple of promising guys on the farm.
2. Defensive minded LDs. Same as below, come on, they are all over. Even if you love a Ginning or a Samuelsson or someone like that, and sure they could become really solid players, are you ever going to be short on solid defensive LDs if you manage your farm properly?
3. Size at center, not sure if anyone fits the bill, but the game for forward is about skating, skating and then skating some more.
Log-jam at center? If we draft Kotkaniemi, we have Ziba+Hayes plus four kids, Kotka, Lias, Chytil and Howden. If two of those centers play wing we don't even have a log-jam even if all make it and we keep both vets for 2-5 years. But sure if -- everyone -- pans out and remains here, we could get to a point were it is less than perfect.
But with a center we basically get a shot at a do over. We could keep him. But they will also always be in demand. The next time an elite player is traded, you can bet that a Kotkaniemi would be a heck of a start to any package we want to put together.
From a general draft strategy point of view, I wouldn't be in love with going with:
1. A smaller PMD. BPA vs MVA, most valuable asset, I would go with the later. Go back 5-10 years, how many small PMDs where available in a 1st round? Zero in 2010. 1 in 2011. 1 in 2012 if you count Dumba's 6'0 as small... Zero in 2013. Two in 2014. Zero in 2015. Zero in 2016. 4 in 2017. This year 5-6 smaller PMDs could go in the first. They are all over, there is so much room for them in the game today. We are going to see a big portion of the top Ds that come up be these type of PMDs who are really skilled and good. And the question is -- how many of them can you carry on a team. Its one thing to have one on each side, but when you come closer to a blueline with 3 or 4 smaller Ds, its definitely becomes an issue. Sure, Q Hughes or Boqvist could become special. Really special. But I would only go after either if I was really really high on them. The market will get saturated with this type of smaller PMDs when all teams start to have 1-2 guys on the roster and another couple of promising guys on the farm.
2. Defensive minded LDs. Same as below, come on, they are all over. Even if you love a Ginning or a Samuelsson or someone like that, and sure they could become really solid players, are you ever going to be short on solid defensive LDs if you manage your farm properly?
3. Size at center, not sure if anyone fits the bill, but the game for forward is about skating, skating and then skating some more.
This never happened.
He simply said that there wasn't any traction at the moment on a Stepan trade when he tweeted it. A few hours later, he was moved.
I'm all for ripping on Brooks when he deserves it, but this isn't one of those instances.
Those are some pretty bold predictions. Especially the draft part.
Good read.
Why do you think Bokk will drop so far?
I wouldn't be shocked if Veleno went top certainly the Islanders would grab him at 11/12.
Seems like you've been right about Dellandrea for a while. Sucks seems like we won't be able to grab him at 26 or 28 but wouldn't Bokk be a good consolation prize?
I don’t see Lias as a center so I’d gladly take kotkaniemi. I just think he’s gone early.
Montreal or AZ take him. Maybe Ottawa. He won’t get by all 3 imo.
Wahlstrom would be best case scenario as far as I’m concerned at 9. And it’s doable. Bouchard or Dobson would be fantastic plan B and don’t undersell them. Both guys have first pairing upside. I think it’s crazy to say otherwise. We’d be blessed to get either.
Montreal or AZ take him. Maybe Ottawa. He won’t get by all 3 imo.
Wahlstrom would be best case scenario as far as I’m concerned at 9. And it’s doable. Bouchard or Dobson would be fantastic plan B and don’t undersell them. Both guys have first pairing upside. I think it’s crazy to say otherwise. We’d be blessed to get either.
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