GDT: Draft aftermath and free agent frenzy

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Size isn't everything, though it does help. Shestyorkin's only 6'1" and every Ranger fan is obsessed with him, probably deservedly so considering how good he has been. Having Ned as a backup is a high-risk/high-reward thing when it comes to the cap. If he succeeds in any form, you have some decent, cheap #2 play for a few years, at least, that you can fill in with major investments, like say, a Dougie extension. The risk, of course, is that you may get goaltending so bad that you miss the playoffs. The reward, however, is yet another playoff berth and a greater shot at holding on to Dougie. In my armchair-GM thought process, that's a tough one to balance out. I would probably need a damn-solid #1 like a Kuemper or Korpisalo before I'd consider it.

You save way more cash...that was your reasoning... flipping Gards and playing Bean on the 3rd pair while having a much better goalie tandem.

I have no interest in a season being sunk with a backup losing 20 games on their own.

Have more confidence in Bean being a good 3rd pair D than Neds being a NHL backup.
 

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So I guess we aren't signing anybody? WTF.

And F Lundqvist signing in Washington.What does he want to go out on a first round choke? Do you think they even talked to him here?
 

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So I guess we aren't signing anybody? WTF.

And F Lundqvist signing in Washington.What does he want to go out on a first round choke? Do you think they even talked to him here?

Pretty sure Lundqvist is the free agent, and thus, gets to choose where he ends up. And considering the rumors about him going to Washington have been around for at least a week, it was pretty obvious that’s where he was going to end up. So other than waste his and our time, what good do you think the Canes talking to him would have done?

Also, I don’t see how you can be surprised we didn’t do anything today. It was going to be a light day for this team in the first place, considering the uncertainty of how the next season will be played. A possible goalie change was the only thing on our radar, and it seems like the goalies we talked to wanted a longer contract than we felt comfortable giving. Which, given the history of this team and its goalies, is the smart play.

Trading is always an option, and one that I’d probably feel more comfortable with than any of the deals given out today.
 

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Pretty sure Lundqvist is the free agent, and thus, gets to choose where he ends up. And considering the rumors about him going to Washington have been around for at least a week, it was pretty obvious that’s where he was going to end up. So other than waste his and our time, what good do you think the Canes talking to him would have done?

Also, I don’t see how you can be surprised we didn’t do anything today. It was going to be a light day for this team in the first place, considering the uncertainty of how the next season will be played. A possible goalie change was the only thing on our radar, and it seems like the goalies we talked to wanted a longer contract than we felt comfortable giving. Which, given the history of this team and its goalies, is the smart play.

Trading is always an option, and one that I’d probably feel more comfortable with than any of the deals given out today.

Well I for one am glad you have reached a level of peace that other teams get all the FAs. I guess I should just be glad they don't build half the roster off the waiver wire anymore.
 

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So I guess we aren't signing anybody? WTF.

Not today, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Canes sign someone in the next few days. There are still a few big names out there: Hoffman, Hall, Dadonov, Toffoli, Duclair, Namestnikov, Kahun, Granlund, Fast, etc.


And I just noticed: Lucas Wallmark wasn't qualified and is a UFA. Wouldn't mind signing him again.
 

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At $3.9M AAV? Uh...no thanks. Rather have Kuemper at only a half-a-million more per year. There may be a "bad team" tax associated with signing in NJ though hahaha

Crawford $3.9M
Reimer $3.4M
Mrazek $3.1M

I think the extra 500K in cap space would have been worth it to go from Reimer to Crawford.

$3.9M is a platoon price. And Crawford should be good in a platoon situation.
 
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No, it’s not. We’re not winning anything with that tandem.

Crawford $3.9M
Reimer $3.4M
Mrazek $3.1M

I think the extra 500K in cap space would have been worth it to go from Reimer to Crawford.

$3.9M is a platoon price. And Crawford should be good in a platoon situation.

Maybe, and maybe not. Maybe Crawford falls off of a cliff as many goalies often do after their mid-30s. To me, Korpisalo is really attractive as a trade candidate. He's already signed for 2 seasons, only 26, and backstopped an overmatched Columbus club to 5 overtimes in the bubble. If getting a goalie is a priority, he's my man. Georgiev would've been my #1 choice if Lundqvist wasn't bought out by the Rangers.
 
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Maybe, and maybe not. Maybe Crawford falls off of a cliff as many goalies often do after their mid-30s. To me, Korpisalo is really attractive as a trade candidate. He's already signed for 2 seasons, only 26, and backstopped an overmatched Columbus club to 5 overtimes in the bubble.

If they can convince Columbus to trade Korpisalo in division, I agree.

I just don't think that's likely, which is why I haven't seriously considered either Columbus goalie as a candidate.
 

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If they can convince Columbus to trade Korpisalo in division, I agree.

I just don't think that's likely, which is why I haven't seriously considered either Columbus goalie as a candidate.

Carolina isn't the kind of club that's afraid of inside-division trades, though. They've dealt players with the Rangers 3 straight times in one season. Jarmo's also had his fair share of in-division trades, though not as often as the Canes have. They just dealt Murray to the Devils for a 5th, for example.
 
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TheReelChuckFletcher

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UFAs are overvalued -- by design, it's the nature of the market -- and this is not a team that will readily sign overvalued players.

In the long term, that strategy will probably pay off more than it doesn't, but it does makes free agency a frustrating time.

Yes, at least on Day 1 they are. Day 2+ UFAs are generally the better bets. The best moves IMO are usually of the trade variety. These folks aren't afraid of spending. They just spend it...differently...than other clubs.
 

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So it’s Greiss, overpay for Korpisalo or the return of Mrazek/Reimer.

Wonderful.

They were linked to Kuemper in prior weeks and the number of suitors has diminished today. There's an off-chance Toronto tries to reduce payroll by swapping Andersen out with a cheaper goalie.

Lehner was their guy, I think. The stars just never aligned for whatever reason.
 
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UFAs are overvalued -- by design, it's the nature of the market -- and this is not a team that will readily sign overvalued players.

In the long term, that strategy will probably pay off more than it doesn't, but it does makes free agency a frustrating time.

you're entirely correct on that and if there's nothing out there that makes sense, doing nothing isn't a bad play if it keeps the players you have on the roster on the roster. plus, carolina sort of started something that other teams are now attempting to mimic in trading players a year before their contract ends and getting full value on guys that may or may not choose to stay, but the home team pays the price of optimism they can get it done long term. skinner, faulk, and edmundson in reverse were fantastic ways to take advantage of that gap between losing a player for nothing and trading them while you still have control even if it costs you a year of service. that advantage alone and how well those decisions have worked out is enough to get me to keep my trap shut on days like today where you wake up to oranges on christmas. imagine what st. louis could have gotten prior to this past season for pietrangelo. you're talking a system full of assets in that one. first round picks, your best prospect... our negotiation around players leaving for nothing has been the basis for stocking our entire system and the results are pretty clear.
 

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you're entirely correct on that and if there's nothing out there that makes sense, doing nothing isn't a bad play if it keeps the players you have on the roster on the roster. plus, carolina sort of started something that other teams are now attempting to mimic in trading players a year before their contract ends and getting full value on guys that may or may not choose to stay, but the home team pays the price of optimism they can get it done long term. skinner, faulk, and edmundson in reverse were fantastic ways to take advantage of that gap between losing a player for nothing and trading them while you still have control even if it costs you a year of service. that advantage alone and how well those decisions have worked out is enough to get me to keep my trap shut on days like today where you wake up to oranges on christmas. imagine what st. louis could have gotten prior to this past season for pietrangelo. you're talking a system full of assets in that one. first round picks, your best prospect... our negotiation around players leaving for nothing has been the basis for stocking our entire system and the results are pretty clear.

I really liked the Edmundson triple-flip that the FO did. First they got him, Bokk, and a 7th for Faulk, then they got a pick for his UFA rights, and then they flipped that pick again in a trade-down with LA for a 6th and a high 7th next year. So Faulk essentially has become Bokk, Mercuri, and two yet-to-be used 7th round picks. Not a bad piece of work to eke out more penny-stocks.
 
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