Friedman: Don't be surprised if the Marner situation plays out over the season

[LOFIN]

Has to be said, Dreger was simping HARD for the Marner camp the last time they negotiated. So this is their side of the story.

 

[JKG33]

I know my fanbase. We are sick of him and his Diva BS. Non leaf fans not showered with the media of it don't get it. And yes, it is quite different than literally any other player how his agent uses the media.

Yup. It was super damming when Friedman the other day said Keefe had to handle Marner gently because of his fragile ego/thin skin compared to Matthews/Nylander

Get this overpaid clown off the team

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

If they re-sign Marner, I would really like to know if they are expecting him to turn over a new leaf (no pun intended) or is it more like: We gave him an NMC and shot ourselves in the foot. Since we can't trade him, lets just shoot ourselves in the other foot and re-sign him to another long term contract.

Marner is in his rights to make full use of the NMC, but I don't know why a player would want to be on a team which does not want him anymore. Maybe just have a honest conversation with him and let him know that he is not going to be re-signed but the Leafs can offer him a fresh start 1 year earlier and go somewhere where he is wanted. Marner may be an ass but I feel like the Leafs management is enabling him.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Yup. It was super damming when Friedman the other day said Keefe had to handle Marner gently because of his fragile ego/thin skin compared to Matthews/Nylander

Get this overpaid clown off the team

Yup. Dude is so soft and yet is trying to pretend he is good to play out the year with all the noise and leave as a UFA. Yeah right, he would have a nervous breakdown before that happened. This is the same guy who feels pressure and panics and puts the puck over the glass then starts crying in the penalty box. He gets told to quit crying by Nylander and has a temper tantrum and throws his gloves.

If they re-sign Marner, I would really like to know if they are expecting him to turn over a new leaf (no pun intended) or is it more like: We gave him an NMC and shot ourselves in the foot. Since we can't trade him, lets just shoot ourselves in the other foot and re-sign him to another long term contract.

Marner is in his rights to make full use of the NMC, but I don't know why a player would want to be on a team which does not want him anymore. Maybe just have a honest conversation with him and let him know that he is not going to be re-signed but the Leafs can offer him a fresh start 1 year earlier and go somewhere where he is wanted. Marner may be an ass but I feel like the Leafs management is enabling him.

Marner isn't worth his current cap hit, and he will want a raise and term. I would offer him the Nylander contract I think that is pretty fair with the cap rising and manageable. If this nonsense Kyperoes is putting out there of them wanting 13+ is true, fire whoever in management suggests paying him that.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Yup. Dude is so soft and yet is trying to pretend he is good to play out the year with all the noise and leave as a UFA. Yeah right, he would have a nervous breakdown before that happened. This is the same guy who feels pressure and panics and puts the puck over the glass then starts crying in the penalty box. He gets told to quit crying by Nylander and has a temper tantrum and throws his gloves.



Marner isn't worth his current cap hit, and he will want a raise and term. I would offer him the Nylander contract I think that is pretty fair with the cap rising and manageable. If this nonsense Kyperoes is putting out there of them wanting 13+ is true, fire whoever in management suggests paying him that.

My question is not really what Marner's next contract is but more if management wants him back. Even if he re-signs for $11.5M, is he the type of player to invest in? Do you want to give him an NMC again?

Most of the Leafs fans agree that his last contract was a bad one, right? So are they ok with Leaf's management piggybacking on that bad choice and making the same one again simply because they don't want Marner to walk for nothing? Wouldn't cutting your losses and walking away be easier?

Terrible situation for everyone other than Marner, really.

 

[Superlative Soup]

Year 9 of this core will definitely be different!

 

[Arthur Morgan]

If Nylander can somehow get 11.5 Marner definitely asking for and getting over 12.

its possible

 

[hullsy47]

Year 9 of this core will definitely be different!

Dreger will endorse giving marner a raise ,then be on a panel disecting what when wrong with leafs playoffs year after year
1 of seravelli or dreher will come out of this looking like a donkey

 

[93gilmour93]

If this is what happens then the Leafs spend the 20 million or so this year the best they can and wait one more year for the Tavares contract to expire

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Well that's an interesting twist and It's one that's going to piss off A LOT of Leaf fans.

Personally it doesn't piss me off because unlike a lot of Leaf fans I'm not interested in moving Marner just to move him.

I don't want picks and prospects, if he's traded I want good players back because Marner is a star, he's going to get 90+ points in a full season I'm not interested in removing that for a couple 1st round picks and a couple prospects, I want good players back.

i'm in the minority but I have no issue with him being walked to free agency it's better than trading him for magic beans

 

[CanadienShark]

Exciting.

 

[Bond]

Leafs are pretty stuck. They won’t get a return that justifies trading Marner and actually improves the roster but he’s playing hardball on the contract. The best thing might be to run it back and let him walk.

 

[Zonk]

The last time Marner was negotiating a contract, Dreger was one of the main shills for the Marner camp. My bet is that Dreger is simply saying what Darren Ferris has told him to say.

 

[norrisnick]

There is nothing wrong with signing Marner. Just don't let it be a nonsensical AAV and don't include a full NMC.

 

[Breakers]

Switching from

Insanely expensive “core 4”
To
Insanely expensive “core 3”

 

[Sniper99]

I know my fanbase. We are sick of him and his Diva BS. Non leaf fans not showered with the media of it don't get it. And yes, it is quite different than literally any other player how his agent uses the media.

Yeah I know, I know the fanbase too. Been a fan of the team for 30 years even though i'm cheering on the home team Oilers to get a cup. They wont boo him opening night when he first touches the puck. You're just overreacting, take a breather

 

[Byron Bitz]

There is nothing wrong with signing Marner. Just don't let it be a nonsensical AAV and don't include a full NMC.

They just gave full NMCs to Nylander and Matthews but Marner doesn’t get one?

 

[sensfan4lifee]

If I were the Leafs I'd look into traded Marner to the AVS for Nickushkin + something

Yes its a big risk but the Leafs would be getting a player who is on a cheaper deal and actually shows up in the Play Offs, if Nickuskin can be fixed I imagine that would be a win trade for the Leafs and if they can get something else in the deal it would be a win/win

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Narrative went from less than 5% chance he’ll be back, to he’ll play the year out, and now that he’s likely to be re-signed. Sounds like they kicked the tires with a few teams and were underwhelmed by the prospective return.

 

[capfit9]

Darren Ferris’ mouthpiece is at it again negotiating in public, i’m sure he’ll get a kickback

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

Switching from

Insanely expensive “core 4”
To
Insanely expensive “core 3”

To be fair, the core 4 brought home the first and only North division title in league history.

 

[norrisnick]

They just gave full NMCs to Nylander and Matthews but Marner doesn’t get one?

Correct. Everyone getting NMCs needs to end if you want to be able to build a proper team. All this "he got this so I want it too!!" is how the Leafs got to where they are.

 

[HabzSauce]

I don't believe it

 

[belair]

There is nothing wrong with signing Marner. Just don't let it be a nonsensical AAV and don't include a full NMC.

Contract negotiations 101 will show you that the first one usually goes with the second. Marner isn't some secondary scorer.

He's a star forward that a lot of teams would fall over themselves to offer those bananas cap numbers with full NMCs.

Wherever he lands, he's getting paid.

 

[norrisnick]

Contract negotiations 101 well show you that the first one usually goes with the second. Marner isn't some secondary scorer.

He's a star forward that a lot of teams would fall over themselves to offer those bananas cap numbers with full NMCs.

Wherever he lands, he's getting paid.

You'd think with a stable full of star forwards that Toronto would be able to score come crunch time. Obviously some part of the equation is out of whack. I'm leaning towards the "isn't some secondary scorer" part factoring in for at least one of them.