Donato

[Kevin Musto]

Frank Seravalli (however the hell you spell it) apparently mentioned on Hawks pregame that a 3 year contract was offered to Donato. No word on the cap.

If it's more than 3x4, Kyle is cooked

 

[Pertti]

Would have taken even 3rd round pick for Donato.

If he walks in the summer, no problem.

He does everything but I don't think he is very good at anything. If he signs I hope he plays well enough to be in the team.

 

[MHO]

If it's more than 3x4, Kyle is cooked

We'll eventually see what he signs for but I have to think if the offer was any more than that, he would have signed it.

 

[HawksDub89]

If it's more than 3x4, Kyle is cooked

Love the goal post moving.

Gotta set yourself up for your inevitable “KD is a moron” bit.

 

[Sinbad]

What would you guys say is a reasonable extension for Donato?

3 x $3.333 - $10m total and none of this NMC or NTC bulls**t, bottom six guys should never get those.

 

[Sinbad]

I really believe some of you bitch just to hear yourselves bitch.

Rando poster: Donato should be traded for a first
KD tries to get value but cannot find a trade partner (best he is offered is a second). Davidson knows % of success of finding a second rounder that has similar value is low). so he holds onto Donato.
Rando Poster: Kyle sucks he can't get a first for Donato - He should be fired.

or:

Rando poster: Donato should be traded for a first
KD tries to get value but cannot find a trade partner (best he is offered is a second). Davidson takes the second rounder.
Rando Poster: Kyle sucks he can't get a first for Donato - Now he's wasting "our" assets and not getting value. He should be fired.

Then the Rando Poster goes to the next topic and says it's Kyle fault for not having NHL players on the roster. Who is going to play with Bedard?

Random thought:

So Robby Fabbri of the Ducks is in year 3 of 3 with a 4M per year contract. He was taken the same year as Donoto in the first round (21) 35 picks ahead of RD. Has almost identical stats i.e. games played , goals,assists, points.
Donato's contract most likely will be in the range of 4.5 - 5.5 for 3 years.

Just because someone decided to overpay Fabbri doesn’t mean the Hawks should overpay Donato.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Notice how there's been no announcement of an extension.

Donato's agent knows Kyle is a pushover, so he's just gonna wait him out. And if Kyle doesn't cave, Donato walks in free agency... making Kyle an even bigger deadline loser than he already is.

 

[statswatcher]

Notice how there's been no announcement of an extension.

Donato's agent knows Kyle is a pushover, so he's just gonna wait him out. And if Kyle doesn't cave, Donato walks in free agency... making Kyle an even bigger deadline loser than he already is.

that it honestly took you almost 24 hours after trading ended to make this connection in your beautiful brain amuses me greatly.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Was hoping he would get a 1st, but understand why the Hawks would keep Donato. Hawks are obviously rebuilding but they're a lot more competitive IMO and there is definitely a benefit of keeping a guy who has been one of the few consistent contributors who has solid chemistry with his linemates.

 

[TheFridge]

i think a 3 yr deal with contract somewhere around 3.5-4 mil would be appropriate for him. Lord knows its better and worth more than what KD has handed out to guys like Athanasiou

It's like you and that Blackhawks guy are intentionally stupid. Is it a bit?

No one would have a problem giving Donato 4.5Mx2, if he had done this 2 years ago with where the Hawks were, literally just starting their rebuild. You needed guys to be here, to fill roles and man the tank. That's why Folgino, Athanasiou and Dickinson were all overpaid to stay here on short-term deals. Those deals were never meant to reflect what Davidson valued them at for their on-ice ability.

The Hawks are at a point now where they'll want to spend money on players that actually move the needle for them, while keeping in mind the raises of guys coming off ELCs. Where does Donato fit on this team going forward? He's a middle-6 forward, and it looks like the Hawks are going to have a lot of those guys in the pipeline pushing for jobs over the next 1-3 years. You already have Teravainen and Bertuzzi under contract for the next two and three years respectively, who'll fill those middle-6 roles over that time. You're going to be active in the trade/free agency to bring in more impactful players. Donato just doesn't fit. He's going to want term and that just doesn't make sense from CHIs POV.

 

[chris05]

It's like you and that Blackhawks guy are intentionally stupid. Is it a bit?

No one would have a problem giving Donato 4.5Mx2, if he had done this 2 years ago with where the Hawks were, literally just starting their rebuild. You needed guys to be here, to fill roles and man the tank. That's why Folgino, Athanasiou and Dickinson were all overpaid to stay here on short-term deals. Those deals were never meant to reflect what Davidson valued them at for their on-ice ability.

The Hawks are at a point now where they'll want to spend money on players that actually move the needle for them, while keeping in mind the raises of guys coming off ELCs. Where does Donato fit on this team going forward? He's a middle-6 forward, and it looks like the Hawks are going to have a lot of those guys in the pipeline pushing for jobs over the next 1-3 years. You already have Teravainen and Bertuzzi under contract for the next two and three years respectively, who'll fill those middle-6 roles over that time. You're going to be active in the trade/free agency to bring in more impactful players. Donato just doesn't fit. He's going to want term and that just doesn't make sense from CHIs POV.

Great player. Anytime you turn a talented 5 goal scorer a year into a 20 goal scorer your team will finish in last place.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

It's like you and that Blackhawks guy are intentionally stupid. Is it a bit?

No one would have a problem giving Donato 4.5Mx2, if he had done this 2 years ago with where the Hawks were, literally just starting their rebuild. You needed guys to be here, to fill roles and man the tank. That's why Folgino, Athanasiou and Dickinson were all overpaid to stay here on short-term deals. Those deals were never meant to reflect what Davidson valued them at for their on-ice ability.

The Hawks are at a point now where they'll want to spend money on players that actually move the needle for them, while keeping in mind the raises of guys coming off ELCs. Where does Donato fit on this team going forward? He's a middle-6 forward, and it looks like the Hawks are going to have a lot of those guys in the pipeline pushing for jobs over the next 1-3 years. You already have Teravainen and Bertuzzi under contract for the next two and three years respectively, who'll fill those middle-6 roles over that time. You're going to be active in the trade/free agency to bring in more impactful players. Donato just doesn't fit. He's going to want term and that just doesn't make sense from CHIs POV.

Agree a 5 year deal is to be avoided.

With that said, the number of teams with capspace looking to add what Donato is doing right now is huge. If KD can get a 3 year deal done before 7/1 that would be huge because demand is going to way exceed supply. That would still leave 3 spots for top 9 wingers for other UFAs, young guys, or someone like Mickeyev to fill.

 

[CallMeShaft]

I can live with 4m per for 3 years.

But please no trade clauses.

 

[TheFridge]

Agree a 5 year deal is to be avoided.

With that said, the number of teams with capspace looking to add what Donato is doing right now is huge. If KD can get a 3 year deal done before 7/1 that would be huge because demand is going to way exceed supply. That would still leave 3 spots for top 9 wingers for other UFAs, young guys, or someone like Mickeyev to fill.

Those teams all could have had Donato at the TDL and none of them valued him enough to push Chicago to trade him.

 

[bwanajamba]

They are almost certainly going to have to give him some trade protection to convince him to give up a chance at the open market, unless the contract is just unreasonably favorable to Donato. They are unfortunately not negotiating from a position of strength on this

 

[BHFAN92]

If it's more than 3x4, Kyle is cooked

diasgree..3 yrs is absolutely perfect in contract length,,if its over 5 mil per than yeah I agree but since KD basically waived white flag ahead of next season already with dumb ass trade for a retired player he has painted himself into a corner. Almost like he sucks at being a gm

 

[x Tame Impala]

If they couldn't get a 1st for him then i'm fine keeping him. If his deal is only 3 years then i'm fine with realistically any AAV he's likely to get. Can't be a bottomed out crap team like SJS. Bedard already looks like he's on suicide watch sometimes so I'd rather not trade away all of our good players

 

[bwanajamba]

diasgree..3 yrs is absolutely perfect in contract length,,if its over 5 mil per than yeah I agree but since KD basically waived white flag ahead of next season already with dumb ass trade for a retired player he has painted himself into a corner. Almost like he sucks at being a gm

Do you understand how LTIR works? Acquiring Weber's contract doesn't prevent them from doing anything

 

[BHFAN92]

Do you understand how LTIR works? Acquiring Weber's contract doesn't prevent them from doing anything

ok lets debate. I understand the LTIR and how it works..now tell me why we acquired Shea Weber. Lets debate this on every basic point. go ahead you start and I will rebuttal since you wanna question knowledge

 

[Chelios]

ok lets debate. I understand the LTIR and how it works..now tell me why we acquired Shea Weber. Lets debate this on every basic point. go ahead you start and I will rebuttal since you wanna question knowledge

Getting Weber’s contract allows them to easily reach the floor without having to overpay guys like AA to get there. It still allows them to sign a big name without issue. If things got crazy and they wanted to take on even more salary they can always move his contract to LTIR to do it. Now explain to me how he painted himself into a corner.

 

[BHFAN92]

Getting Weber’s contract allows them to easily reach the floor without having to overpay guys like AA to get there. It still allows them to sign a big name without issue. If things got crazy and they wanted to take on even more salary they can always move his contract to LTIR to do it. Now explain to me how he painted himself into a corner.

let me ask you this. Are teams that our buying retired players contracts to hit league floor a selling point to FA or RFA that hey this is a team serious about taking the next step? Arizona has universally been laughed at for great part of past 5 seasons for doing exactly this and how many big name players have they signed? We now are the new Coyotes. How do think this sits with Connor Bedard? I agree Shea Webber deal can be relagated to LTIR and we can then use that cap as we need but the point is why acquire it in 1st place instead of just trying to get better??? Its like KD waived the flag before season even ended and FA began

 

[Chelios]

let me ask you this. Are teams that our buying retired players contracts to hit league floor a selling point to FA or RFA that hey this is a team serious about taking the next step? Arizona has universally been laughed at for great part of past 5 seasons for doing exactly this and how many big name players have they signed? We now are the new Coyotes. How do think this sits with Connor Bedard? I agree Shea Webber deal can be relagated to LTIR and we can then use that cap as we need but the point is why acquire it in 1st place instead of just trying to get better??? Its like KD waived the flag before season even ended and FA began

You didn’t answer my question. How did it paint him into the corner? It didn’t.

If you don’t understand the difference between the Blackhawks and the Arizona f**king Coyotes I don’t think there is much point in engaging you.

 

[Ajex12x]

let me ask you this. Are teams that our buying retired players contracts to hit league floor a selling point to FA or RFA that hey this is a team serious about taking the next step? Arizona has universally been laughed at for great part of past 5 seasons for doing exactly this and how many big name players have they signed? We now are the new Coyotes. How do think this sits with Connor Bedard? I agree Shea Webber deal can be relagated to LTIR and we can then use that cap as we need but the point is why acquire it in 1st place instead of just trying to get better??? Its like KD waived the flag before season even ended and FA began

So what moves do you think should have been done that would earn a passing grade so far as a GM?

 

[BHawks77]

let me ask you this. Are teams that our buying retired players contracts to hit league floor a selling point to FA or RFA that hey this is a team serious about taking the next step? Arizona has universally been laughed at for great part of past 5 seasons for doing exactly this and how many big name players have they signed? We now are the new Coyotes. How do think this sits with Connor Bedard? I agree Shea Webber deal can be relagated to LTIR and we can then use that cap as we need but the point is why acquire it in 1st place instead of just trying to get better??? Its like KD waived the flag before season even ended and FA began

No you dont understand, Weber contract actually gives him more room to manuver. Now he has no problem to reach the floor (as in overpay players that arent good enough to move the needle enough, agents can count too and if they see Hawks are far away from floor they can use it as negotiating tactic) but can sign big deal (ltir Weber) if right player comes along and wants to come to rebuilding team.

Last year Kyle tried to sign Guentzel but he went Tampa for obvious reasons. Its always balancing act to find players that you want. Maroon, Smith, Martinez, Folingo and Dickinson are just placeholders until pospects mature.

Sure he could have traded huge junk of assets for Rantanen, but would he have signed here?? Better to wait for UFA (and not lose those assets) and then find out who is willing and wants to come here!

Also summer is better season to make trades as teams have more flexibility. Use those assets then.

 

[Hawkaholic]

You didn’t answer my question. How did it paint him into the corner? It didn’t.

If you don’t understand the difference between the Blackhawks and the Arizona f**king Coyotes I don’t think there is much point in engaging you.

He's clueless and says things just to provoke arguments, and thinks Hawks should buy their way to be a borderline playoff team.