Management Don Sweeney IV

[Mpasta]

And can you definitively say none of Debrusk, Senyshyn, or Zboril will be?

He can't but comparing Koko to Connor is just ridiculous.

 

[BB88]

And can you definitively say none of Debrusk, Senyshyn, or Zboril will be?

Park Towers was comparing to Koko and saying Connor is a smallish offensive C.
Connor is 6'1 Lw.

I'd still take Connor with one of the 3 picks but we have no quarantees, he was seen better before the draft and had better +1 season.

 

[Pia8988]

He can't but comparing Koko to Connor is just ridiculous.

I agree.

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

See this team isn't perfect but what do you know add Backes and you blow out a bad team without breaking a sweat. Its still a good team even if we have 'lost' trades and made the bad signing or two. Leave Presidents trophys to Vancouver and Montreal.


Our GM isn't perfect. Hes not going to be a Sinden who wins a couple trades and lives off that for decades while intentionally weakening the team.

BUT...you have Czarnik forcing a spot on the team. In a few weeks we get another college UFA in Frankie back. We will break in McAvoy and Bjork and be playing with house money on the 14/15/16 drafts maybe before the end of THIS season and we will have already gotten 5-6 good regulars before the 3 questionable '15 1st round picks are ready to challenge for a spot long term.


Just got to think of the big picture. Don't get mad when DKH bumps this thread in the spring when we have won a playoff round or two and trolls his haters fake Bruins fans seem to pick on this poster and the wolves come out for him whenever we lose too much negative crap in here IMO...

That's not going to be something we'll be fortunate enough to see.

#23 PP
#13 PK
#23 GF/G
#19 GF 5 on 5

Right now we are literally being pulled up the standings by Rask. We have ONE point more than Toronto, Buffalo, and underperforming Florida. We're back to being unable to win on home ice. This team is what it is. But what it isn't is a win now team.

 

[pierre gagnon*]

The center in question is and was Barzal who around here was all but a guaranteed mistake by us. Barzal was sent down and could not crack the horrid Isles lineup. Connor is not lighting up the league and is small weight wise they say 177 lbs but look at him he looks like he is under 170. His 4 pts in 13 games and a minus 6 do little for me, that seems like Koko production. I was lead to believe he would get Laine numbers form the talk and even heard a 70 pt possibility. So lets see how those 2 do in the future because they are 19 but rip OUR 19 yr olds and deem them busts already, geesh, cherry picking at its best. I see Barzal has been replaced by Konecny now we get to pick and choose the better 'other prospects'.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

See this team isn't perfect but what do you know add Backes and you blow out a bad team without breaking a sweat. Its still a good team even if we have 'lost' trades and made the bad signing or two. Leave Presidents trophys to Vancouver and Montreal.


Our GM isn't perfect. Hes not going to be a Sinden who wins a couple trades and lives off that for decades while intentionally weakening the team.

BUT...you have Czarnik forcing a spot on the team. In a few weeks we get another college UFA in Frankie back. We will break in McAvoy and Bjork and be playing with house money on the 14/15/16 drafts maybe before the end of THIS season and we will have already gotten 5-6 good regulars before the 3 questionable '15 1st round picks are ready to challenge for a spot long term.


Just got to think of the big picture. Don't get mad when DKH bumps this thread in the spring when we have won a playoff round or two and trolls his haters fake Bruins fans seem to pick on this poster and the wolves come out for him whenever we lose too much negative crap in here IMO...

Terrible revisionist history.

 

[BruinDust]

See this team isn't perfect but what do you know add Backes and you blow out a bad team without breaking a sweat. Its still a good team even if we have 'lost' trades and made the bad signing or two. Leave Presidents trophys to Vancouver and Montreal.


Our GM isn't perfect. Hes not going to be a Sinden who wins a couple trades and lives off that for decades while intentionally weakening the team.

BUT...you have Czarnik forcing a spot on the team. In a few weeks we get another college UFA in Frankie back. We will break in McAvoy and Bjork and be playing with house money on the 14/15/16 drafts maybe before the end of THIS season and we will have already gotten 5-6 good regulars before the 3 questionable '15 1st round picks are ready to challenge for a spot long term.


Just got to think of the big picture. Don't get mad when DKH bumps this thread in the spring when we have won a playoff round or two and trolls his haters fake Bruins fans seem to pick on this poster and the wolves come out for him whenever we lose too much negative crap in here IMO...

It's statements like that make your stuff hard to take seriously.

 

[pierre gagnon*]

I think it will be Sweeney's next move for a deeman that puts a stamp on his trading to date. This has been coming for a long time and the wait has made for pages and pages of who is coming and who is going. Some names I have seen to date on here,

-Fowler
-Myers
-Trouba
-Tanev
-Shattenkirk
-Stone
-Brodin, Dumba
-or the "out of the left field trade" none of us see

I would like to see a mid 20 something in or near his prime to take over for Chara for the next 8 years. Hang around and help gap the experience till the winners of the drafted dee crew push in. I see Carlo, Krug, Kevan staying and one of Morrow/Colin for a few years. Add that stud vet guy and O'Gara and work in the young ones in the bottom, slowly. Krug, Kevan, O'Gara, Morrow will all be over 25. So we will not have 4 or more under 24 in that scenario. Eventually the younger guys will move out Kevan and Krug, Morrow/Colin.

 

[Mpasta]

I think it will be Sweeney's next move for a deeman that puts a stamp on his trading to date. This has been coming for a long time and the wait has made for pages and pages of who is coming and who is going. Some names I have seen to date on here,

-Fowler
-Myers
-Trouba
-Tanev
-Shattenkirk
-Stone
-Brodin, Dumba
-or the "out of the left field trade" none of us see

I would like to see a mid 20 something in or near his prime to take over for Chara for the next 8 years. Hang around and help gap the experience till the winners of the drafted dee crew push in. I see Carlo, Krug, Kevan staying and one of Morrow/Colin for a few years. Add that stud vet guy and O'Gara and work in the young ones in the bottom, slowly. Krug, Kevan, O'Gara, Morrow will all be over 25. So we will not have 4 or more under 24 in that scenario. Eventually the younger guys will move out Kevan and Krug, Morrow/Colin.

I just keep hearing this. I guess eventually it has to come true. "No way the Bruins don't trade for a defenseman before [insert deadline here]."

And I'm not even saying that I think we 100% should trade for a dman but this whole narrative that Donny boy is going to get it done any day now is getting old.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I think it will be Sweeney's next move for a deeman that puts a stamp on his trading to date. This has been coming for a long time and the wait has made for pages and pages of who is coming and who is going. Some names I have seen to date on here,

-Fowler
-Myers
-Trouba
-Tanev
-Shattenkirk
-Stone
-Brodin, Dumba
-or the "out of the left field trade" none of us see

I would like to see a mid 20 something in or near his prime to take over for Chara for the next 8 years. Hang around and help gap the experience till the winners of the drafted dee crew push in. I see Carlo, Krug, Kevan staying and one of Morrow/Colin for a few years. Add that stud vet guy and O'Gara and work in the young ones in the bottom, slowly. Krug, Kevan, O'Gara, Morrow will all be over 25. So we will not have 4 or more under 24 in that scenario. Eventually the younger guys will move out Kevan and Krug, Morrow/Colin.

Great.

How?

 

[Dr Quincy]

Great.

How?

Hey all we have to do is draft a young, big, goal scoring #1 with a top 5 pick, and then find a team that has multiple high end D with a hole in the middle.

Worked for CBS/NAS deal.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Hey all we have to do is draft a young, big, goal scoring #1 with a top 5 pick, and then find a team that has multiple high end D with a hole in the middle.

Worked for CBS/NAS deal.

True.

But I don't think we get to draft again this season.

 

[EverettMike]

 

[BruinDust]

Great response just throw out an insult and add nothing to prove a point or why you disagree. I don't do this to you or other posters wtf?


Sinden weakened the team intentionally. See refusing to give Allison, Defoe, Kristich their market value or close to it and being willing to throw entire seasons away just to prove his point.

Entire seasons were lost because he wouldn't give guys in their primes market deals due to not being Bourque type of players. That was his ego and nothing else.

But he always clearly 'won' a trade every few years to keep his stock high among NHL GMs.

I'm not a big Sinden fan, especially the last 10 years of his run here pre-Chiarelli (even when he oversaw MOC as GM), but I'll give credit where credit is due, Boston was a playoff team 25 years in a row with Harry as GM, guy knew what he was doing.

And it wasn't him alone that decided to take a hard line stance against rising player salaries starting in the mid-90s up until Lock-out 2004-05 (hint hint, his boss/owner might of had something to do with it). Now granted the approach came back to haunt the Bruins, but if your pointing fingers Harry isn't the only person to blame, not even close.

But to say Sinden went out of his way to "intentionally" make the Bruins worse, or that his battles were ego driven, are just plan incorrect statements, and come off as borderline ridiculous.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Great response just throw out an insult and add nothing to prove a point or why you disagree. I don't do this to you or other posters wtf?


Sinden weakened the team intentionally. See refusing to give Allison, Defoe, Kristich their market value or close to it and being willing to throw entire seasons away just to prove his point.

Entire seasons were lost because he wouldn't give guys in their primes market deals due to not being Bourque type of players. That was his ego and nothing else.

But he always clearly 'won' a trade every few years to keep his stock high among NHL GMs. Usually got a decent return for those key guys who we flatly refused to pay. We were the definition of a 'small' market organization and operation for most of his tenure due to the refusal to add to the team due to cost. But it seemed like every year we had to take a step back due to Jacobs and Sinden's pocket books.

Luckily they f-ed up the first lockout so bad with the no signed players thing that we had to clean house and as a result 2011 happened.

Do you seriously think that Mr. Jacobs didn't realize you make a lot more money by winning more? Hell, he was giving away (charity) much more money than he would save by nickel and diming his players.

 

[BluesTraveler]

I think the defense is moving in the right direction finally, but it would be even better if it had a Dougie Hamilton at around 3million a year on it.

It still blows my mind how badly Sweeney got played on that one.

 

[whatsbruin]

Great response just throw out an insult and add nothing to prove a point or why you disagree. I don't do this to you or other posters wtf?


Sinden weakened the team intentionally. See refusing to give Allison, Defoe, Kristich their market value or close to it and being willing to throw entire seasons away just to prove his point.

Entire seasons were lost because he wouldn't give guys in their primes market deals due to not being Bourque type of players. That was his ego and nothing else.

But he always clearly 'won' a trade every few years to keep his stock high among NHL GMs. Usually got a decent return for those key guys who we flatly refused to pay. We were the definition of a 'small' market organization and operation for most of his tenure due to the refusal to add to the team due to cost. But it seemed like every year we had to take a step back due to Jacobs and Sinden's pocket books.

Luckily they f-ed up the first lockout so bad with the no signed players thing that we had to clean house and as a result 2011 happened.

Do not agree weakened the team intentionally.
Of your 3 examples:

• Allison : Played 3 more years scoring 19, 6, then 17 goals. I believe he has some either ankle or wrist issues as well.
• Byron Dafoe : Played two years after leaving Boston earning 9 more wins.
• Kristich played 5 more years in the nhl after Boston, never breaking 13 goals a year.

So these player were probably looking for a big payday, and Siden rightfully judged they were not worth it.

Got my stats from : http://www.hockey-reference.com/

Now, I agree that Sinden was a bear to negotiate a contract with, and
that he low balled players, but it wasn't intentionally to make the B's weaker.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Anyways I had no intention of talking abotu Sinden I jsut wanted to credit Sweeney for the change in culture in terms of negotiations. Not just from Sinden. Chiarelli only wanted to spend on defensive and bottom talent. Kessel and Seguin's deals were both the best deals int he NHL for big time scorers after they left Boston and he considered both overpaid. Way off base on that and it was a big part of the thinking in moving them and ended up ridiculously wrong since neither came close to getting max deals they just didn't agree to being paid like Chris Kelly. Kessel was regular top 5 in the league in goals on his 5 mil contract Seguin's is a bargain. Consider them expendable/overrated fine that is debatable but overpaid is ludicrous and extremely false.

Marchand doesn't cave and take less money during the WJCs and you don't end up with a superior player after losing Loui to free agency like Backes if you don't do things the right way with your guys.

Not true. Have to disagree on this. Chiarelli did Seguin's last contract in Boston. He also gave decent deals to Lucic, Krejci, Bergeron and Marchand. Those are all some pretty talented players that he paid well. Not to mention he signed Blake Wheeler right out of school. He also let Ference (Defensive player) walk and traded Boychuk (Defesnive player).

 

[b in vancouver]

Great response just throw out an insult and add nothing to prove a point or why you disagree. I don't do this to you or other posters wtf?


Sinden weakened the team intentionally. See refusing to give Allison, Defoe, Kristich their market value or close to it and being willing to throw entire seasons away just to prove his point.

Entire seasons were lost because he wouldn't give guys in their primes market deals due to not being Bourque type of players. That was his ego and nothing else.

But he always clearly 'won' a trade every few years to keep his stock high among NHL GMs. Usually got a decent return for those key guys who we flatly refused to pay. We were the definition of a 'small' market organization and operation for most of his tenure due to the refusal to add to the team due to cost. But it seemed like every year we had to take a step back due to Jacobs and Sinden's pocket books.

Luckily they f-ed up the first lockout so bad with the no signed players thing that we had to clean house and as a result 2011 happened.

I read your last couple posts and I'll say your memory and views of Sinden vary greatly from mine.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I think the defense is moving in the right direction finally, but it would be even better if it had a Dougie Hamilton at around 3million a year on it.

It still blows my mind how badly Sweeney got played on that one.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/coyotes-penguins-kicking-tires-flames-defenceman-dougie-hamilton/

 

[BruinDust]

Anyways I had no intention of talking abotu Sinden I jsut wanted to credit Sweeney for the change in culture in terms of negotiations. Not just from Sinden. Chiarelli only wanted to spend on defensive and bottom talent. Kessel and Seguin's deals were both the best deals int he NHL for big time scorers after they left Boston and he considered both overpaid. Way off base on that and it was a big part of the thinking in moving them and ended up ridiculously wrong since neither came close to getting max deals they just didn't agree to being paid like Chris Kelly. Kessel was regular top 5 in the league in goals on his 5 mil contract Seguin's is a bargain. Consider them expendable/overrated fine that is debatable but overpaid is ludicrous and extremely false.

Marchand doesn't cave and take less money during the WJCs and you don't end up with a superior player after losing Loui to free agency like Backes if you don't do things the right way with your guys.

Did Chiarelli tell you this?

 

[chizzler]

I think the defense is moving in the right direction finally, but it would be even better if it had a Dougie Hamilton at around 3million a year on it.

It still blows my mind how badly Sweeney got played on that one.

Hamilton at 3 million. Miller and McQuaid get that. You think you were going to sign him for theee million? Lol. Sweeney had a choice which way he could've gone.

 

[ODAAT]

I think the defense is moving in the right direction finally, but it would be even better if it had a Dougie Hamilton at around 3million a year on it.

It still blows my mind how badly Sweeney got played on that one.

what planet gets Hamilton signed for 3 mill at that time?

How did he "get played"? If you believe everything you read on the interwebz, there are many in the Calgary media and their fans who don`t appear overly inspired with Dougie these days

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Chiarelli dealt Seguin likely because of his 'big' contract and cap space was given as one of the reasons.

We extended him early when he was scoring and he had a no show playoffs. Win some you lose some and if Seguin had a Conn Smythe type run in 2013 playoffs instead of a no show because he was playing for a monster deal his cap hit goes up of course. THAT contract that PC gave Seguin was valued by the same GM incorrectly as being high when it was not. And he made the same mistake with Kessel who averaged over 30 goals on a 5 mil deal deeming that number far too high.

Seguin was dealt for other reasons. Return was not good enough, but its not like they wanted to get rid of him. He left Chia little choice.

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

Holy smokes there have been numerous flames highlights this season of the goals scored against them and it's unbelievable how often Hamilton appears in the play. The team is already at -20 in goal diff. Rangers lead the league at +27 and the Habs at +20. Chara should perhaps get a lot more credit for preventing his short comings from being totally exposed. A little buyers remorse these days in Calgary you think? Sometimes a player forcing your hand can prove to be very beneficial even if you don't realize it at the time.