Speculation: Domi Mega Thread

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

We should stop any MTL - COL proposals, I feel like both fans bases are fed up with them First it was Price, then Girard, Domi, Drouin always coming back. Let us agree that we all overvalue our players and be done with it

While both fan bases are fed up with these threads, only one fan base needs to stop posting proposals involving the other to resolve the issue. Or did I miss a thread where Avs fans were desperately trying to get Price/Domi/Drouin?

 

[Chr1s97]

Gallagher just spent game 3 getting a handful of minutes (one of the least played forwards) while in a scoring slump. Graves is playing 20 minutes a game on a much better team. It’s he’s also a RFA. Gallagher is a UFA next year. It’s not as far off in value as you think.

Lol, Gallagher is a 2x 30 goals scorers, probably had a 3rd 30+ goals season if he disnt 20sum games, play hard every shift, get in the dirty areas, etc.

Graves played 95 games, 95 games on a real solid team. You gon really come on here and tell me that Graves have higher value then Gallagher ?

 

[PensandCaps]

Avs say no pretty easily. Girard is a stud.

 

[McJedi]

Saying that Price is overpaid is a fact if you consider million paid per win. saying he is a average goalie is your perception (flawed in my opinion if you look at the Habs defensive flaws over the past years and the fact that there is no backup to help in the regular season)

Carey Price, over the past three seasons in order has a save % of 2017: 0.90 (bad), 2018: 0.918 (solid) and this season 0.908 (not good). This guy hasn’t been a very good goalie since he turned 30. You guys are using a handful of playoff games that often look like preseason games with all the rust and choppy play. Scoring is down.

I’m looking at a real sample size. Three full seasons of Carey Price goaltending. It’s not impressive. It’s definitely not worthy of a 10.5mm AAV.

 

[McJedi]

Lol, Gallagher is a 2x 30 goals scorers, probably had a 3rd 30+ goals season if he disnt 20sum games, play hard every shift, get in the dirty areas, etc.

Graves played 95 games, 95 games on a real solid team. You gon really come on here and tell me that Graves have higher value then Gallagher ?

Probably not but Gallagher’s a rental at this point and that really limits his value. His unimpressive playoffs is probably a anomaly. Exactly like Price playing well for a handful of games. See how this works. Can’t take a small sample size and say. This guy is great. While taking the same small sample size and saying. No fair, he’s better than this.

I like Gallagher. So you don’t need to sell me on him. He does the dirty work to score.

 

[RationalExpectations]

If you notice. It’s nearly always Habs fans trying to pawn off disappointing, over paid and/or non-core Habs like Droiun, Domi and Price. Maybe even Tatar and Petry to get our elite young prospects or players like French Canadian Girard.

you’ll rarely see an Avs fan look to their roster to get a player.

Avs fans are more interested in Rakell, Cirelli, Kyle Conner and maybe John Gibson. There are no Avs fans here clamoring for Habs players like Domi. This is a one way street for trade proposals.

I will say, watching the Danault and Lekonen kill penalties vs the woeful Flyer PP did get me wondering how they’ll look in an Avs sweater. Habs have some good players that would appeal to the Avs. Just none their fan base wants to part with.

I fully agree about the premise that some Habs fans propose non realistic trades and that I myself may be completely off sometimes even though I try to remain realistic but when I see Gallagher for Graves, I realize that both fan bases troll each other

 

[RationalExpectations]

While both fan bases are fed up with these threads, only one fan base needs to stop posting proposals involving the other to resolve the issue. Or did I miss a thread where Avs fans were desperately trying to get Price/Domi/Drouin?

Fully agreed some Habs fan are starting these proposals but saying Graves for Gallagher is fair is just trolling back the other way ^^

 

[Chr1s97]

Probably not but Gallagher’s a rental at this point and that really limits his value. His unimpressive playoffs is probably a anomaly. Exactly like Price playing well for a handful of games. See how this works. Can’t take a small sample size and say. This guy is great. While taking the same small sample size and saying. No fair, he’s better than this.

I like Gallagher. So you don’t need to sell me on him. He does the dirty work to score.

With this post pandemic hockey, alots of good players had some shitty playoffs this year. With that being sais you and I both know Gallaghers value so please dont tell me thats his values going down because of like 5-6 meh games.
On the other hand, youre totally right Gally would be a rantal with no guarantee to resign with yall and I wouldnt trade a promising young D for one year of Gally.
Its all about context, yall have enough good depth upfront yall dont really need scoring foward, yall need some good defensive foward and some good D.

but telling me alone without context that value of Graves > Gallagher , thats a big no.

 

[Spilot23]

I fully agree about the premise that some Habs fans propose non realistic trades and that I myself may be completely off sometimes even though I try to remain realistic but when I see Gallagher for Graves, I realize that both fan bases troll each other

I agree that Gallagher holds more value but boy if we trade Graves and have Cole or Zadorov play with Makar that defense becomes fugly if Girard and EJ's pairing doesn't play a good game similar to last game where both Makar and Graves were freaking amazing. Somehow trading Graves for Gallagher would make us worst I think unless we manage to score 3-4 goals per game which is very hard against a hot Kuemper

 

[RationalExpectations]

Carey Price, over the past three seasons in order has a save % of 2017: 0.90 (bad), 2018: 0.918 (solid) and this season 0.908 (not good). This guy hasn’t been a very good goalie since he turned 30. You guys are using a handful of playoff games that often look like preseason games with all the rust and choppy play. Scoring is down.

I’m looking at a real sample size. Three full seasons of Carey Price goaltending. It’s not impressive. It’s definitely not worthy of a 10.5mm AAV.

The issue is that it is hard to estimate the value of a performance in a vacuum : just take Halak's stats (I always wondered why MTL traded him but that is another question) over his career they were always better when he was playing less games per season, this season alone, Price played 58 / 70 games, take Vasilevsky (better defense in front of him anybody should agree about that), he played 52 games ( 10 per cent less). The only goalie with more than 50 games and a way better performance was Hellebuyck (0.922), who is a Vezina candidate. Price needs a back up, he has been needing it for years, but as far as performance itself is concerned he is not a bad goalie.

Once again I agree that this contract is stupid and that any team paying more than 10m for both keepers shots itself in the foot.

 

[RationalExpectations]

I agree that Gallagher holds more value but boy if we trade Graves and have Cole or Zadorov play with Makar that defense becomes fugly if Girard and EJ's pairing doesn't play a good game similar to last game where both Makar and Graves were freaking amazing. Somehow trading Graves for Gallagher would make us worst I think unless we manage to score 3-4 goals per game which is very hard against a hot Kuemper

Oh I fully agree this does not make sense for the Avs no worries, was just commenting on the value I understand why anybody would be interested in Graves, not the most spectacular player but efficient, very few mistake, a 4D like any contender would love to have.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Lol, Gallagher is a 2x 30 goals scorers, probably had a 3rd 30+ goals season if he disnt 20sum games, play hard every shift, get in the dirty areas, etc.

Graves played 95 games, 95 games on a real solid team. You gon really come on here and tell me that Graves have higher value then Gallagher ?

Probably not higher value, but I think it's a lot closer than most Habs fans would like to admit. It's nothing against Gallagher, but big defensemen like Graves tend to return a premium because they are so hard to find.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Probably not higher value, but I think it's a lot closer than most Habs fans would like to admit. It's nothing against Gallagher, but big defensemen like Graves tend to return a premium because they are so hard to find.

Graves in 2 more years might have the value you think he has today. But today? Graves has a lot of work to do to prove himself as that proven guy you are labeling him as. He's playing with Markar and a very good team bud. Nobody is going to pay a for sure top 4D quality based on one good season at the age of 25 playing on a top 10 team.

If Graves is worth Gallagher, Suzuki is worth MacKinnon.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Probably not higher value, but I think it's a lot closer than most Habs fans would like to admit. It's nothing against Gallagher, but big defensemen like Graves tend to return a premium because they are so hard to find.

No they're not.

 

[FightingIrish17]

Caleb Jones is being criminally underrated by both sides here. There is an analytics argument that he's better than Darnell Nurse.

As a side note: I think Nurse for Domi makes sense as a base. Judging by the responses of Habs fans who don't know who Jones is, they'd probably be a lot happier with Nurse.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

What are you willing to offer us for Gallagher?

Well, if the argument for Nurse is he has limited value since he only has one year left, the same should hold true for Gallagher.

How does an offer of 14, Samorukov, and Russell strike you?

 

[Techcoockie]

What are you guys looking for? He is exactly the kind of winger Edmonton needs.

In previous threads the asking price is astronomical, and I don't think the Oilers are prepared to overpay for any one winger, as good as Gallagher is.

Need for Need


#1 LD
#2 Big scoring RW


Klef + for Gallagher

or

Samorukov + Lavoie + Chiasson

 

[Techcoockie]

Caleb Jones is being criminally underrated by both sides here. There is an analytics argument that he's better than Darnell Nurse.

As a side note: I think Nurse for Domi makes sense as a base. Judging by the responses of Habs fans who don't know who Jones is, they'd probably be a lot happier with Nurse.

yes, THat'S why I wonder where people say this is bad for MTL.

Jones IMO is a future #2-3 with small chance #1 upside.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Need for Need


#1 LD
#2 Big scoring RW


Klef + for Gallagher

or

Samorukov + Lavoie + Chiasson

Gallagher with one year left doesn't return Klefbom, nevermind Klefbom+. No way, no how.

2nd deal isn't that far off from what I offered.

 

[Spilot23]

Graves in 2 more years might have the value you think he has today. But today? Graves has a lot of work to do to prove himself as that proven guy you are labeling him as. He's playing with Markar and a very good team bud. Nobody is going to pay a for sure top 4D quality based on one good season at the age of 25 playing on a top 10 team.

If Graves is worth Gallagher, Suzuki is worth MacKinnon.

Come on now Suzuki wouldn't even return Mack's jockstrap.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Well, if the argument for Nurse is he has limited value since he only has one year left, the same should hold true for Gallagher.

How does an offer of 14, Samorukov, and Russell strike you?

The only piece that addresses our needs is the 14th pick. And you are right to some degree with Nurse. Term matters. With Gallagher, we probably head down the Patch road if we move him... sign/trade.

- We will not give any value for Russell. We say no to him being part of the deal and you would have to find another team to take him on.

- 14th is attractive but not so sure about the talent after 12 in this draft. I think with no U18's and playoffs for the prospects draft year, the 13-50 range is wide open and there is going to be a lot of surprises where some hit big in the 2nd round or even 3rd round this year.

- With Romanov, Mete, Kulak, Harris, Struble, Norlinder as our LD depth, we are only interested in someone who addresses the now vs later. Samorukov don't really help us at this point in time.

Are the Oilers really going to trade the 14th pick and not have a pick in the fist 4 rounds of this draft? Why don't you just add Samorukov on top of Russell to trade him to a cap floor team? Then you can go after a guy like Dadonov?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Come on now Suzuki wouldn't even return Mack's jockstrap.

Graves is your new version of Zadorov. He's not worth Gallagher and no, it's not close. You get the point with Suzuki vs McDavid now

 

[ChaoticOrange]

The only piece that addresses our needs is the 14th pick. And you are right to some degree with Nurse. Term matters. With Gallagher, we probably head down the Patch road if we move him... sign/trade.

- We will not give any value for Russell. We say no to him being part of the deal and you would have to find another team to take him on.

- 14th is attractive but not so sure about the talent after 12 in this draft. I think with no U18's and playoffs for the prospects draft year, the 13-50 range is wide open and there is going to be a lot of surprises where some hit big in the 2nd round or even 3rd round this year.

- With Romanov, Mete, Kulak, Harris, Struble, Norlinder as our LD depth, we are only interested in someone who addresses the now vs later. Samorukov don't really help us at this point in time.

Are the Oilers really going to trade the 14th pick and not have a pick in the fist 4 rounds of this draft? Why don't you just add Samorukov on top of Russell to trade him to a cap floor team? Then you can go after a guy like Dadonov?

Samorukov isn't a piece I'd be willing to give up just to dump Russell. He's only got a year left and we can Alzner him if need be, or move him to a team needing to hit the cap floor (his actual salary is much lower than his cap hit, might entice a Melnyk)

I think Edmonton makes a couple of trades to recoup some picks here (we do have a 3rd as well as our first)

The most likely think I think Edmonton does is trade down in the first round to either dump some salary or to pick up additional picks.

 

[Boondock]

Are you talking about Price who carried an underdog team on his shoulders into the playins ? If so then he has earned his keep with that performance.

dont tell me thats his values going down because of like 5-6 meh games.

Which is it Habs fans? Whichever options works best for the point you are trying to make?

 

[Spilot23]

Graves is your new version of Zadorov. He's not worth Gallagher and no, it's not close. You get the point with Suzuki vs McDavid now

Boy these 50 pts player are getting expensive as hell these days. One or two more good year of Burakosky we might be able to get a premium return.