Speculation: Domi Mega Thread

[McJedi]

Graves is your new version of Zadorov. He's not worth Gallagher and no, it's not close. You get the point with Suzuki vs McDavid now

Until Gallagher is extended, he’s a rental and not worth his real value. And his ineffective playoff slumping doesn’t help that case. But if he’s an idiot, he’ll sign an extension this offseason. He shouldn’t but I think MB gets a nice discount on that AAV if Gallagher will extend early.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Until Gallagher is extended, he’s a rental and not worth his real value. And his ineffective playoff slumping doesn’t help that case. But if he’s an idiot, he’ll sign an extension this offseason. He shouldn’t but I think MB gets a nice discount on that AAV if Gallagher will extend early.

A full year rental yeah. At the deadline, he is worth a Grade A and 2nd round prospect or a 1st and B prospect. Pretty sure the list to try to acquire him is more than 1 or 2 as well. But for a full season with that low cap hit? I would imagine the interest is 5 teams at least.

However, Habs are not shopping him. The fans are. Just another guy they are targeting cause he has not scored a goal. That's what Habs fans do bud

 

[Habs Halifax]

Boy these 50 pts player are getting expensive as hell these days. One or two more good year of Burakosky we might be able to get a premium return.

Consistent ones with value AAV's who bring more than points to the table are worth more than you let on. But by all means... keep up the bad work with Gallagher's value. If the shoe was on the other foot... I'm pretty sure you Avs fans flip out more than us Habs fans about Gallagher's value. Yes, you need to hear it!

You want to trade Landeskog for Kulak? Kulak is having a good playoffs! .

 

[Big Empty]

Not nearly as insulting as Droiun but no thanks. Girard is still worth significantly more than Domi.
Girard costs you Suzuki+. Too much for MB to get. He needs to look elsewhere.

Graves for Domi is adequate value but no thanks. We have a good thing going on defense right now. We don’t need a 3C like Domi. JT isn’t as good but he’s cheaper and perfectly capable of that role. Plus he scores a lot of 3rd period playoff goals.

The Habs players the Avs would want are Danault and Gallagher.

I’d do Graves for Gallagher straight up if offered. But I doubt Sakic is dialing out. It’s MB picking up the phone to call the Avs. So that’s gonna cost MB. Anytime you call the other side, it’s going to be expensive to get what you’re calling to acquire.

Are you nuts?

 

[Spilot23]

Consistent ones with value AAV's who bring more than points to the table are worth more than you let on. But by all means... keep up the bad work with Gallagher's value. If the shoe was on the other foot... I'm pretty sure you Avs fans flip out more than us Habs fans about Gallagher's value. Yes, you need to hear it!

You want to trade Landeskog for Kulak? Kulak is having a good playoffs! .

Well agreed that he's a consistent 50pts player and probably brings more with his grit and maybe leadership. But still you seems to think he would bring an elite player if he was traded. Your comparisons are terrible well let's call them hyperboles which you seem to use quite often. Landeskog just had a 75pts season last year while playing a good defensive game, physical and a leader. Brett freaking Kulak lol. If the Avs had Gallagher without Graves their defense would be putrid if you put Cole or Zadorov with Makar. If we needed scoring gritty wingers yes we would flip if Gallagher was compared to someone like Graves but we need our dman more than Gallagher which is why he's more valuable to us. Anyway I wouldn't even target Gallagher if we were to add a scoring winger Rakell could bring more while costing less IMO.

 

[Spilot23]

Are you nuts?

Well Avs would be nuts to trade Girard first with his 5M$ AAV for the next 7 years. He's our #1 LHD what do you think would cost to get him ? Of course the Habs wouldn't trade their current/future #1C for him but the Avs also have no reason to trade Girard when we already have two great centers.

 

[Big Empty]

Well Avs would be nuts to trade Girard first with a 5M$ for the next 7 years. He's our #1 LHD what do you think would cost to get him ? Of course the Habs wouldn't trade their current/future #1C for him but the Avs also have no reason to trade Girard when we already have two great centers.

The Avs absolutely shouldn't trade Girard. He's a stud on a great long-term contract. I just don't think he's as valuable as Suzuki. The trade also doesn't make sense for either teams.

 

[Spilot23]

The Avs absolutely shouldn't trade Girard. He's a stud on a great long-term contract. I just don't think he's as valuable as Suzuki. The trade also doesn't make sense for either teams.

Let's agree to disagree here. I think having him signed for the next 7 years at 5m$ is extremely valuable.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Well agreed that he's a consistent 50pts player and probably brings more with his grit and maybe leadership. But still you seems to think he would bring an elite player if he was traded. Your comparisons are terrible well let's call them hyperboles which you seem to use quite often. Landeskog just had a 75pts season last year while playing a good defensive game, physical and a leader. Brett freaking Kulak lol. If the Avs had Gallagher without Graves their defense would be putrid if you put Cole or Zadorov in the top pair. If we needed scoring gritty wingers yes we would flip if Gallagher was compared to someone like Graves but we need our dman more than Gallagher which is why he's more valuable to us. Anyway I wouldn't even target Gallagher if we were to add a scoring winger Rakell could bring more while costing less IMO.

Nah... This is about Avs fans thinking Graves is close to value as Gallagher. Gallagher is worth to the Habs like what Landeskog is to the Avs.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The Avs absolutely shouldn't trade Girard. He's a stud on a great long-term contract. I just don't think he's as valuable as Suzuki. The trade also doesn't make sense for either teams.

Girard is not a stud but I do agree the Avs need him. His value with the puck vs without the puck is different. A guy like Werenski is a stud!

 

[Spilot23]

Nah... This is about Avs fans thinking Graves is close to value as Gallagher. Gallagher is worth to the Habs like what Landeskog is to the Avs.

I guess there's another let's agree to disagree Avs fans think he's close to value as Gallagher because of what we've seen with this year and because we need a player like Graves more than Gallagher well that's how I see it though. I explained my point and the difference between Landy and Gallagher. It's fine if you don't agree but let's not act like Brett freaking Kulak is close to what Graves has brought with the Avs.

 

[Spilot23]

Girard is not a stud but I do agree the Avs need him. His value with the puck vs without the puck is different. A guy like Werenski is a stud!

Love the little subtil throw shade here. If Girard isn't a stud I seriously wonder how many studs there are in the league playing around 20min per night.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I guess there's another let's agree to disagree Avs fans think he's close to value as Gallagher because of what we've seen with this year and because we need a player like Graves more than Gallagher well that's how I see it though. I explained my point and the difference between Landy and Gallagher. It's fine if you don't agree but let's not act like Brett freaking Kulak is close to what Graves has brought with the Avs.

Just cause you need Graves on the back end, it don't mean he has close value to Gallagher. Two different conversations there. And the Habs are not shopping Gallagher at this point in time. Habs fans are doing their usual thing when someone don't score... At the moment, Gallagher is shit like Drouin to them. It's comical

 

[Habs Halifax]

Love the little subtil throw shade here. If Girard isn't a stud I seriously wonder how many studs there are in the league playing around 20min per night.

I like Girard a lot but don't consider him a stud in the neutralization down low and clearing the front of the net. A stud to me is Hedman type. Someone who can skate, move the puck, provide offensive, and also be a beast to deal with in his own end.

 

[Spilot23]

Just cause you need Graves on the back end, it don't mean he has close value to Gallagher. Two different conversations there. And the Habs are not shopping Gallagher at this point in time. Habs fans are doing their usual thing when someone don't score... At the moment, Gallagher is shit like Drouin to them. It's comical

Aren't Habs fans keep saying that Gallagher is worth alot to the Habs because he's the heart and soul of that team, future captain to say that they won't trade him because he has more value to the Habs ? I still think he's overrated because of his grit and those other things he bring while being a 50pts player I would easily prefer Rakell over him. I'll admit that Graves is also overrated after one good year but how can you not be excited after what you saw ? Keep in mind that Graves is only 4 months older to Mackinnon and don't we always say here in HF that dmans take more time to develop ?

Anyway we're derailing this thread maybe it's time to be closed and hope that we don't see any Avs/Habs trade proposals anytime soon which both fanbase would be ok I think

 

[Habs Halifax]

Laine > Domi. How much is the gap? Habs add the 16th pick. Are the Jets interested in talking in terms of what we would have to add? Habs could offer one of Brook, Fleury, or Juulsen as a RD prospect?

No deal?

 

[Sam Pollock]

Winnipeg fans will probably be asking for Suzuki as the third piece. Is Laine worth that?

 

[hawksbreadman]

As a fan of neither team, I'm not saying that it's not fair. Just don't see the Jets fans wanting to make this trade.

 

[Buffdog]

No deal.

Domi or the 16th would be an add to a bigger piece

 

[Habs Halifax]

Winnipeg fans will probably be asking for Suzuki as the third piece. Is Laine worth that?

Suzuki as the 3rd piece? Habs won't be trading Suzuki, Kotkaniemi, or Romanov.

- Domi at his best is 72 pts and 28 goals.
- Laine as his best is 70 pts and 44 goals.
- Laine at his worse is much better than Domi at his worse but Laine does play with better talent though.

Both are inconsistent but Laine is worth more. How closer does the gap become with the 16th pick? If Suzuki is the demand as the 3rd piece, shut down the thread now. The offer is Domi as a potential puck possession LW who can play center if they need him to and the 16th pick to close the gap a bit more. Then it's about what prospect and we are only prepared to offer guys like Brook, Fleury, Juulsen Mete, and maybe Harris.

Blake Wheeler quote: He's not putting up those production numbers on his own. So the idea here is the Jets save cap space with Domi over the long run but get two futures on top to bridge the gap in value between them. If the Jets have zero interest in Domi, 16th OA, and a D prospect, Habs not going any deeper.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Players like Laine don’t get traded barring them asking for a trade or if there’s a major contract dispute.

Also don’t think Montreal can put together a realistic package that would entice the Jets enough. Would absolutely dismantle the Habs to acquire him

 

[Habs Halifax]

No deal.

Domi or the 16th would be an add to a bigger piece

If that is the feeling, we are far apart.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Players like Laine don’t get traded barring them asking for a trade or if there’s a major contract dispute.

Also don’t think Montreal can put together a realistic package that would entice the Jets enough. Would absolutely dismantle the Habs to acquire him

His next contract is kind of what I was thinking.... It's possible the Jets prefer not to pay him $9M+. And the Jets do need a center it appears. But if the Jets don't believe Domi can put up 60+ pts and 25+ goals playing center for them, then forget about this idea.

Jets fans might not like it but it's possible the Jets management value a team friendly deal with Domi with term over a headache with Laine contract negotiations after next season. It's no secrete both of these two can disappear when you need them. And yes, Laine is worth more. 16th reduces it but not the whole amount. I don't feel the gap left is Suzuki or something like that. But if that's what the Jets are thinking, close it down.

What has the bridge deal done for the Jets? If Laine has another 34 goal and 76 pts season next year, do they give him to Laine wanting $9M+?

 

[Sam Pollock]

Suzuki as the 3rd piece? Habs won't be trading Suzuki, Kotkaniemi, or Romanov.

- Domi at his best is 72 pts and 28 goals.
- Laine as his best is 70 pts and 44 goals.
- Laine at his worse is much better than Domi at his worse but Laine does play with better talent though.

Both are inconsistent but Laine is worth more. How closer does the gap become with the 16th pick? If Suzuki is the demand as the 3rd piece, shut down the thread now. The offer is Domi as a potential puck possession LW who can play center if they need him to and the 16th pick to close the gap a bit more. Then it's about what prospect and we are only prepared to offer guys like Brook, Fleury, Juulsen Mete, and maybe Harris.

Blake Wheeler quote: He's not putting up those production numbers on his own. So the idea here is the Jets save cap space with Domi over the long run but get two futures on top to bridge the gap in value between them. If the Jets have zero interest in Domi, 16th OA, and a D prospect, Habs not going any deeper.

I never said it was going to be justified.

 

[Huffer]

I like Domi, but not as a main piece for Laine.