Dom Luszczyszyn apologizes after agreeing to appear on podcast with Tony DeAngelo

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

There was potential for some really good journalism to happen if Dumb Dom realized that he would have access and camaraderie with a polarizing player. I know he's an asshole but I would also like to know why he's an asshole.

Cowardly move, Dom.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Problematic is a very useful word to use in all kinds of contexts.

"The exhaust system in his Dodge Charger was problematic."

What a dumb reason to hate a word.

We're cancelling problematic because of its use in cancel culture?

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I don’t think anyone’s suggesting you can’t call your exhaust system problematic.

It’s just a recognition that the word has a particular tone when used in political discourse, and tends to be a signal of underlying beliefs. Lots of other words are like that (e.g. you can still talk about snowflakes on your windshield, but if you call Dom a “snowflake” people can make reasonable inferences about other aspects of your worldview)

 

[NyQuil]

Did I say I hated it? Words have different connotations depending on context. No one would apply the meaning I described to the example you gave about a faulty exhaust system.

I don't know, my understanding is that it only vibrates and shudders in blue states.

 

[DackellDuck]

We can pinpoint what he has done!

What? Fought with a teammate? Was disliked in a locker room?

I wouldn’t call that “problematic” to the point where you won’t appear with them on a podcast after you had previously agreed to it.

Hundreds of players have “done” that. Many are now on podcasts or in the media. Or coaching. Or scouting. Etc. It’s a fairly common occurrence in pro sports.

But hey, like I said, people can dislike whoever they want for whatever reasons they want. But others can call them out on the ridiculousness of it too.

 

[Regal]

I still don’t understand why twitter backlash even gets acknowledged over these things, let alone anyone changes their actions over it. We get it, a handful of internet nobodies are upset by an outside noise entering their echo chambers, but why should anyone else care?

 

[Jumptheshark]

It depends on what you mean by “address what he said and did”. The last negative news he made was in early 2021 (the fight and political tweets). Since then he’s just been an ordinary pro hockey player, minding his business.

What happened in Philly? I see different things from different media outlets.

 

[NyQuil]

I still don’t understand why twitter backlash even gets acknowledged over these things, let alone anyone changes their actions over it. We get it, a handful of internet nobodies are upset by an outside noise entering their echo chambers, but why should anyone else care?

The opiate of the masses has evolved from religion, to television, to endless outrage.

We just want to be outraged all the time.

It's exhausting and mentally draining, and it obscures what is actually important from what is moronic, but here we are.

 

[ViD]

Why would anyone need to apologize for being on the same podcast as TDA? Am I missing something ?

 

[Nogatco Rd]

I don't know, my understanding is that it only vibrates and shudders in blue states.

Kind of like the inverse of the VW diesel? That would be problematic in both senses of the word

 

[Based Anime Fan]

Can someone explain why this is NHL news, or really that worthy of a thread? DeAngelo isn't an NHL player, nor does this involve the NHL in any manner.

 

[Machinehead]

What? Fought with a teammate? Was disliked in a locker room?

I wouldn’t call that “problematic” to the point where you won’t appear with them on a podcast after you had previously agreed to it.

Hundreds of players have “done” that. Many are now on podcasts or in the media. Or coaching. Or scouting. Etc. It’s a fairly common occurrence in pro sports.

But hey, like I said, people can dislike whoever they want for whatever reasons they want. But others can call them out on the ridiculousness of it too.

-He used a racist slur and was suspended for it. He admits he did it.
-He publicly denied COVID on his Twitter account, violating the team's policy on social media, not to mention their policy on COVID!
-He was caught with a burner account that he was using to start fights with fans that were paying customers of his team.
-He was also doing that on his verified account!
-He stayed up late, sometimes before games, on social media, to the point where his agent had to message him to tell him to go to bed.

If this isn't a problematic employee, then nothing is problematic.

 

[DackellDuck]

-He used a racist slur and was suspended for it. He admits he did it.
-He publicly denied COVID on his Twitter account, violating the team's policy on social media, not to mention their policy on COVID!
-He was caught with a burner account that he was using to start fights with fans that were paying customers of his team.
-He was also doing that on his verified account!
-He stayed up late, sometimes before games, on social media, to the point where his agent had to message him to tell him to go to bed.

If this isn't a problematic employee, then nothing is problematic.

I agree, a problematic employee who was summarily fired! Deserved to be.

But problematic to the point where you can’t appear on a hockey podcast with him to discuss… hockey?

I wouldn’t think so.

Mike Hoffman did some dick things that ended his career in Ottawa. But if he was invited on a podcast to talk about goal scoring in the NHL? Go for it!

 

[theVladiator]

This is 4 pages now?

I mean, presumably there is some guy who could be "soft" because he went back on his word there. But on the other hand, it does take some courage to admit being wrong, even if it's done using weasel language.

The stakes are just so pathetically low here, is it really threadworthy? Why should I care about this Twitter remake of your local schoolyard drama?

 

[Machinehead]

I agree, a problematic employee who was summarily fired! Deserved to be.

But problematic to the point where you can’t appear on a hockey podcast with him to discuss… hockey?

I wouldn’t think so.

Mike Hoffman did some dick things that ended his career in Ottawa. But if he was invited on a podcast to talk about goal scoring in the NHL? Go for it!

I can't speak to what Dom did. Like I said, at the very least, he knew exactly who this guy was and backtracked when he heard some of his fans didn't like it. Extremely weak.

It's just that every time this idiot DeAngelo comes up, there's this whole "I don't understand why people don't like him!" vibe. It's pretty well-documented, actually.

 

[NyQuil]

This is 4 pages now?

I mean, presumably there is some guy who could be "soft" because he went back on his word there. But on the other hand, it does take some courage to admit being wrong, even if it's done using weasel language.

The stakes are just so pathetically low here, is it really threadworthy? Why should I care about this Twitter remake of your local schoolyard drama?

 

[NyQuil]

Like I said, at the very least, he knew exactly who this guy was and backtracked when he heard some of his fans didn't like it. Extremely weak.

I agree that the whole "you can't give Person X a legitimate platform" is pretty contrary to the principles of free speech.

If no one wants to listen to the guy, they won't tune in.

If you are so sure that this person's arguments are terrible, then get up there and demolish them.

At the same time, as you say, there's a lot more to the Tony DeAngelo story than "he voted for Trump".

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Mike Hoffman did some dick things that ended his career in Ottawa. But if he was invited on a podcast to talk about goal scoring in the NHL? Go for it!

did he tho? I thought it was widely understood that his presence on the team became untenable due to the conflict between his wife and karlssson’s wife

 

[Kcoyote3]

This is truly the most hilarious thing I’ve read in some time. What an asshat this guy is.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

I agree that the whole "you can't give Person X a legitimate platform" is pretty contrary to the principles of free speech.

If no one wants to listen to the guy, they won't tune in.

If you are so sure that this person's arguments are terrible, then get up there and demolish them.

“Free speech” is the principle that people must not have their speech restricted by the government, it has absolutely nothing to do with any supposed obligation that one private citizen has towards another… an obligation that of course does not exist in any country, anywhere

 

[NyQuil]

“Free speech” is the principle that people must not have their speech restricted by the government, it has absolutely nothing to do with any supposed obligation that one private citizen has towards another… an obligation that of course does not exist in any country, anywhere

That is one interpretation of free speech.

But it can have different meanings in different contexts.

It is often tied to the principles of academic freedom and freedom of the press where speech can be restricted by non-government entities.

 

[LeafGrief]

Forgive me Twitter, for I have sinned. I thought that if I insulted a heathen to his face, it would be pleasing in your sights. After reading your holy texts I have understood the error of my ways. Thank you for benevolence, we will strive for inclusion everywhere.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

-He used a racist slur and was suspended for it. He admits he did it.
-He publicly denied COVID on his Twitter account, violating the team's policy on social media, not to mention their policy on COVID!
-He was caught with a burner account that he was using to start fights with fans that were paying customers of his team.
-He was also doing that on his verified account!
-He stayed up late, sometimes before games, on social media, to the point where his agent had to message him to tell him to go to bed.

If this isn't a problematic employee, then nothing is problematic.

Woah man, forget just not giving him a platform, how is this guy not facing jail time???

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

-He used a racist slur and was suspended for it. He admits he did it.
-He publicly denied COVID on his Twitter account, violating the team's policy on social media, not to mention their policy on COVID!
-He was caught with a burner account that he was using to start fights with fans that were paying customers of his team.
-He was also doing that on his verified account!
-He stayed up late, sometimes before games, on social media, to the point where his agent had to message him to tell him to go to bed.

If this isn't a problematic employee, then nothing is problematic.

I recall his sarcastic tweet about COVID the day after the election, but did he actually deny the existence of it?

 

[Edgelord]

Forgive me Twitter, for I have sinned. I thought that if I insulted a heathen to his face, it would be pleasing in your sights. After reading your holy texts I have understood the error of my ways. Thank you for benevolence, we will strive for inclusion everywhere.

We don't have to sell our soul anymore, its X now lol

Woah man, forget just not giving him a platform, how is this guy not facing jail time???

If he lived in the UK he would be lol
point 2 kills me, "the team's policy on social media, not to mention their policy on COVID!"
the 1st rule of authoritarian policies is you don't tell anyone about our authoritarian policies lol

 

[Nogatco Rd]

That is one interpretation of free speech.

But it can have different meanings in different contexts.

It is often tied to the principles of academic freedom and freedom of the press where speech can be restricted by non-government entities.

Freedom of the press is another governmental principle that has nothing to do with this. Would I be restricting the freedom of the press by not agreeing to be interviewed by the NYT, no matter what my reasons are? Of course not.

Same with this guy and TDA’s podcast. He’s not infringing on TDA’s right to say what he wants, he’s merely choosing to not be an active participant in those statements.