Does Tampa have the best Pro Scouting Department?

[Akrapovince]

The approach of paying a first round draft pick and a bit for a solid middle sixer with term instead of paying a first for a player like Foligno helped them take two cracks at a run by landing players such as Coleman, Goodrow, and Hagel.

They made the right decision by letting the two walk and keeping Hagel. And I know he’s an elite player but Guentzel was a great add and fit in well.

Does Tampa have the best pro scouting resume in the last decade?

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[RedHawkDown]

Florida has to be up there

 

[Akrapovince]

Florida has to be up there

Yes, forgot entirely and even added a Tampa player into their top six haha.

 

[TheNumber4]

Tanner Jeannot.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Does Tampa have the best pro scouting resume in the last decade?

The Tanner Jeannot trade might disqualify them tbh

 

[StreetHawk]

The approach of paying a first round draft pick and a bit for a solid middle sixer with term instead of paying a first for a player like Foligno helped them take two cracks at a run by landing players such as Coleman, Goodrow, and Hagel.

They made the right decision by letting the two walk and keeping Hagel. And I know he’s an elite player but Guentzel was a great add and fit in well.

Does Tampa have the best pro scouting resume in the last decade?

I give the edge to Florida. Mainly cause they took distressed nhl guys and they became good contributors to their roster. Be it forsling, Montour, Duclair, etc.

 

[ijuka]

The approach of paying a first round draft pick and a bit for a solid middle sixer with term instead of paying a first for a player like Foligno helped them take two cracks at a run by landing players such as Coleman, Goodrow, and Hagel.

They made the right decision by letting the two walk and keeping Hagel. And I know he’s an elite player but Guentzel was a great add and fit in well.

Does Tampa have the best pro scouting resume in the last decade?

Why did you leave out Tanner Jeannot? Didn't fit your narrative, perchance? Shouldn't we evaluate all their moves, not just the ones supporting your stance?

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

They’re up there. Canes have been really great too

 

[Laus723]

The approach of paying a first round draft pick and a bit for a solid middle sixer with term instead of paying a first for a player like Foligno helped them take two cracks at a run by landing players such as Coleman, Goodrow, and Hagel.

They made the right decision by letting the two walk and keeping Hagel. And I know he’s an elite player but Guentzel was a great add and fit in well.

Does Tampa have the best pro scouting resume in the last decade?

Coleman was the other guy they got for their Cup wins, Hagel was later but has fit in well.

Some have mentioned Jeannot, that trade was “horribad,” but they got what they could for him instead of still trying to fit the square peg. Duke and Dumba weren’t great deadline acquisitions either, but every team has those bumps. Look at Zito at his first deadline with Chabot, etc. They both seem to learn and move on.

Colorado has found solid players as well. Vegas tends to be like the kid brother in the Christmas Story when he ran down Christmas morning and pointed at every gift “oooh THAT’S MINE!!” with every FA and potential available player…but, Barbashev was a great addition at the deadline. Playing well now and wrecked Gudas in the Finals. He was a wrecking ball period.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Tanner Jeannot.

Ya, big swing and a miss there- come on OP, don’t omit shit.

 

[TheNumber4]

Ya, big swing and a miss there- come on OP, don’t omit shit.

5 picks. LOL. Honestly that's like the equivalent of atleast 4 bad trades.

 

[Stephen]

What made Coleman and Goodrow special is they were good fits on a special core that completed the championship puzzle, but it’s not like they were that special as actual players. Add them to any other team it’s not like you have 2 cups to show for it.

Having guys like JT Miller, Verhaeghe before they popped might be better examples of great pro scouting. They might be better examples similar to Hagel.

Strength of the Lightning came from amateur scouting. But they’ve also had brain drain with Yzerman, Verbeek moving on over the years and not sure how intact that scouting staff is. Al Murray was replaced as head scout a couple of years ago.

Like everything else with Tampa right now, I file their scouting under the heading: declining power.

 

[x Tame Impala]

I’d argue a pro scouting department is easily more valuable than drafting

 

[Blueline Bomber]

They’re up there. Canes have been really great too

Canes lost two Top 4 defensemen and two Top 6 forwards this offseason and everyone (justifiably) predicted them to take a major step back. Especially when they didn’t seem to replace any of the above. But the scouts identified players that would work in the system and Carolina, at least thus far, hasn’t seemed to have lost a step.

Now if only those scouts could find a healthy goalie…

 

[WaitingForThatCab]

I’d argue a pro scouting department is easily more valuable than drafting

With the way the league works right now, I completely agree. I think this is a huge reason why the Canes, Lightning, and now Panthers have been very good in the last stretch of years.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Bill Zito is the best pro scouting department

 

[Stephen]

With the way the league works right now, I completely agree. I think this is a huge reason why the Canes, Lightning, and now Panthers have been very good in the last stretch of years.

I’d argue the Canes are primarily a homegrown team with a core of Aho, Necas, Slavin, Jarvis, Svechnikov, until this year Pesce, Kochetkov. They find good pieces but if they didn’t have their homegrown foundation it wouldn’t work.

 

[WaitingForThatCab]

I’d argue the Canes are primarily a homegrown team with a core of Aho, Necas, Slavin, Jarvis, Svechnikov, until this year Pesce, Kochetkov. They find good pieces but if they didn’t have their homegrown foundation it wouldn’t work.

No argument there, but they consistently seem to do a good job of finding really nice pieces at the right price.

 

[FinnLightning26]

Maybe it once was but I don't feel it is anymore. Getting Hagel is probably the only good move in the last three years. Probably the Sergachev trade too. But aside from those, it's been a steady stream of shit lately. The Jeannot trade, signing Sheary to a three year 6M contract, paying Nashville to take McDonagh only to pay them again to get him back and signing Philippe Myers, who they got back in that trade originally, to an extension before he had even played a game. Myers proceeded to be so bad he played 16 games in two seasons on a team that was dying for any capable D man.

Add to that pile of shit free agent signings like Johansson, de Haan, Atkinson etc. I'll admit, those are all near league minimum signings but they haven't fit in at all and pro scouting is all about finding guys who fit into your program.

Amateur scouting hasn't been any better. The last time we drafted a guy who has made any kind of difference was probably Nick Perbix in 2017 and even he's a 6/7D.

Like one poster said, it's a declining power like the rest of the franchise.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I'd say the Carolina Hurricanes are better than Tampa in that regard.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Hot take: Tampa won because of their elite core and their trade acquisitions are overrated because they ended up winning the cups anyways.

Not saying they aren't/weren't good players

 

[Stickpucker]

I’d argue the Canes are primarily a homegrown team with a core of Aho, Necas, Slavin, Jarvis, Svechnikov, until this year Pesce, Kochetkov. They find good pieces but if they didn’t have their homegrown foundation it wouldn’t work.

Do you not believe most of TBs core is homegrown?

 

[Stephen]

Do you not believe most of TBs core is homegrown?

I didn’t make that statement.

 

[Chips]

The approach of paying a first round draft pick and a bit for a solid middle sixer with term instead of paying a first for a player like Foligno helped them take two cracks at a run by landing players such as Coleman, Goodrow, and Hagel.

They made the right decision by letting the two walk and keeping Hagel. And I know he’s an elite player but Guentzel was a great add and fit in well.

Does Tampa have the best pro scouting resume in the last decade?

Bogosian and Shattenkirk are worth mentioning too. I feel like there’s another from that three year stretch but that could be it.

Does Gourde and Cernak count as pro scout or do people argue development more? (I think Cooper deserves some credit)

I don’t think they’re THE best department , but they’ve been among the best at acquisitions for years.


I don’t think they thought Jeannot was actually worth what they paid in that sense, rather he wasn’t a must-trade player for Nashville but Tampa wanted to try see if he’d play better. He had a solid goal season prior and was a physical player. I could see what they were thinking. A bunch of those draft picks wouldn’t have turned into anything anyway as most don’t, and their window was closing now.



I don’t think it’s worth including this years league min contracts either. Sometimes you’re just signing what you can get, rather than what you want as a cap strapped team.

 

[aylib]

The Tanner Jeannot trade might disqualify them tbh

JBB announced an acquisition of big, fast, physical forward upon that trades completion.
Whoever provided that assessment needs to be put in a different role.