Does Marner get Boo’d?

[LeafSteel]

1. Bad or no luck
2. Hot goalie
3. Biased referees
4. Keefe/Babs
5. Different rules in playoffs
6. Injuries to key player(s)
7. COVID
8. Taxes (LOL)
9. Bullied by Tkachuk, Bennett, Marchand, Debrusk and Chariot
10. Playoff format
11. Cap circumvention

Wasn’t there also a “goal posts kept getting in the way” explanation too?

 

[Sypher04]

Meh. Every team’s fans minus one, every year are generally full of excuses for why they didn’t win. Like those other teams, some of the reasons people come up with are more legit than others.

 

[Antropovsky]

Domi scores less than Marner...

I also think Matthews and Marner put up a lot of primary points and less secondary points...

Really Matthews isn't top 3 every year because the Leafs don't get a lot of PP opportunities and secondary assists exist.
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I also don't think Marner was good last year... but I don't think he is the reason doesn't put up insane numbers.

Matthews scored a $%* ton moreMatthews per/60 with Domi and Bertuzzi comparess to Marner. Matthews 5v5 g/60 has generally hovered around the same number his entire career. Whether it be as a rookie, playing with Marleau and Johnsson or Marner. It was highest with Bertuzzi and Domi. Marner doesnt move the needle for Matthews much. Contrary to some have tried to say. Matthews on the other hand hand greatly affects his libemates stats

 

[Nineteen67]

Back to the original question….I hope he gets booed when he’s announced on opening night.

 

[Hellcat]

And yet with all this Leaf core awesomeness we still keep losing. The common denominator is the core 5.
Must be just bad luck

Keefe the Playoff Wizard was a common thread too.

 

[notbias]

Matthews scored a $%* ton moreMatthews per/60 with Domi and Bertuzzi comparess to Marner. Matthews 5v5 g/60 has generally hovered around the same number his entire career. Whether it be as a rookie, playing with Marleau and Johnsson or Marner. It was highest with Bertuzzi and Domi. Marner doesnt move the needle for Matthews much. Contrary to some have tried to say. Matthews on the other hand hand greatly affects his libemates stats

what's the sample size and did it translate to the playoffs?

Genuinely don't know...

 

[IPS]

Do the Leafs pay you per word typed or are you salaried ??

He's probably doing it for free, which makes it even more pathetic.

 

[IPS]

Marner has really never shown the ability to dominate a playoff series. He’s a perimeter players that looks to pass first and when teams concentrate on defending the shooters he’s limited in what he can do. He’s not very strong, not fast, has a below average shot and has played timid.

He was definitely "that guy" against Tampa, and it had a lot of us optimistic about him. But it turned out to be an aberration, just a good matchup for him. Fell off in the later part of the series but that's forgivable considering how well he produced in the first half of those series'.

Then it was right back to business against Florida and then Boston again this year.

Oh he easily has the talent to dominate a playoff series the way McDavid did, but rather than focus on the whole series this fan base would regurgitate zero points in games 6 and and zero points in game 7….

We are focusing on the whole series.

He put up 3 points in 7 games against Boston, that's the entire series. We'd love more of a sample size but he sucks so bad in the playoffs and takes up so much cap that the Leafs can't advance. We needed him to step up due to the injuries to Matthews and Nylander but he did the exact opposite, he shrunk and backed down.

 

[ACC1224]

Back to the original question….I hope he gets booed when he’s announced on opening night.

Fingers crossed eh Leaf fan??

 

[Racer88]

Keefe the Playoff Wizard was a common thread too.

Yup I will give you that one

 

[Arzak]

I remember the years before Matthews, it wasn't fun.

Good news, no one is thinking about trading Matthews .

Also, not trading Mitch is f*cking Matthews and Leafs SC chances over. Not to mention, any winger on Mattys line is bound to collect assists.

Our PK is an embarrassment - Mitch Marners strongest suit.

Mitch is playing 25 min of un-inspiring crying on the bench perimeter hockey. He is not net positive player for Leafs and he is taking 11M as freaking RFA


"We can't trade Mitch,remember pre-Matthews era" like wtf?

 

[Craig Button]

Good news, no one is thinking about trading Matthews .

Also, not trading Mitch is f*cking Matthews and Leafs SC chances over. Not to mention, any winger on Mattys line is bound to collect assists.

Our PK is an embarrassment - Mitch Marners strongest suit.

Mitch is playing 25 min of un-inspiring crying on the bench perimeter hockey. He is not net positive player for Leafs and he is taking 11M as freaking RFA


"We can't trade Mitch,remember pre-Matthews era" like wtf?

Look at the bright side. Marner will sign elsewhere and then you can think about the pending Matthews trade

 

[Arzak]

Look at the bright side. Marner will sign elsewhere and then you can think about the pending Matthews trade

I get that, but the OP was trying to suggest Matthews will suffer if we trade Marner. I'd argue his SC chances increases with Marner departure

 

[Leaf Fans]

Wasn’t there also a “goal posts kept getting in the way” explanation too?

I think there was. Also, it's Marner seems to be one of more long lived of the excuses.

 

[Hellcat]

He was definitely "that guy" against Tampa, and it had a lot of us optimistic about him. But it turned out to be an aberration, just a good matchup for him. Fell off in the later part of the series but that's forgivable considering how well he produced in the first half of those series'.

Then it was right back to business against Florida and then Boston again this year.


We are focusing on the whole series.

He put up 3 points in 7 games against Boston, that's the entire series. We'd love more of a sample size but he sucks so bad in the playoffs and takes up so much cap that the Leafs can't advance. We needed him to step up due to the injuries to Matthews and Nylander but he did the exact opposite, he shrunk and backed down.

No you are not, when you say the word playoffs as in plural and only take one series in isolation, you clearly are not "loving a bigger sample size" Last three years he is a point per game, 2021-22 - 8 points in 7 games, 2022-2023 - 14 points in 11 games, 2023-24 3 points in 7 games.

 

[francis246]

Look at the bright side. Marner will sign elsewhere and then you can think about the pending Matthews trade

Once Marner’s gone it will be another player they run out of town. Probably back to Willy. We do it all the time, gotta choose one guy to put all the focus on.

 

[Hellcat]

not trading Mitch is f*cking Matthews

How so? Matthews (0.655 g/gp) is on pace to break Ovi's (0.598 g/gp) record. The bullshit some of you post is steaming hot.

 

[Nineteen67]

He was definitely "that guy" against Tampa, and it had a lot of us optimistic about him. But it turned out to be an aberration, just a good matchup for him. Fell off in the later part of the series but that's forgivable considering how well he produced in the first half of those series'.

Then it was right back to business against Florida and then Boston again this year.


We are focusing on the whole series.

He put up 3 points in 7 games against Boston, that's the entire series. We'd love more of a sample size but he sucks so bad in the playoffs and takes up so much cap that the Leafs can't advance. We needed him to step up due to the injuries to Matthews and Nylander but he did the exact opposite, he shrunk and backed down.

They need to somehow draw Carolina or NJD.

Once Marner’s gone it will be another player they run out of town. Probably back to Willy. We do it all the time, gotta choose one guy to put all the focus on.

Matthews? We will hardly notice Willy.

 

[Nineteen67]

Fingers crossed eh Leaf fan??

Maybe it’ll motivate him and it’ll give sports talk some fodder a few weeks.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Maybe it’ll motivate him and it’ll give sports talk some fodder a few weeks.

It’s more interesting than the tired storyline of finish as a top 5-10 regular season team, choke in 7 in the first round that we always get at least. But hey, some people here seem to love that.

 

[Nineteen67]

It’s more interesting than the tired storyline of finish as a top 5-10 regular season team, choke in 7 in the first round that we always get at least. But hey, some people here seem to love that.

A slow start will be gold for all the podcasters and radio shows.

Losing in 7 isn’t always a choke. Last year it was considered a success, against TTOE it was a choke.

 

[notbias]

Good news, no one is thinking about trading Matthews .

Also, not trading Mitch is f*cking Matthews and Leafs SC chances over. Not to mention, any winger on Mattys line is bound to collect assists.

Our PK is an embarrassment - Mitch Marners strongest suit.

Mitch is playing 25 min of un-inspiring crying on the bench perimeter hockey. He is not net positive player for Leafs and he is taking 11M as freaking RFA


"We can't trade Mitch,remember pre-Matthews era" like wtf?

Those players all started at the same time, I thought common sense would kick in and make people realize it wasn't a single player but an era... guess not.

 

[IPS]

No you are not, when you say the word playoffs as in plural and only take one series in isolation, you clearly are not "loving a bigger sample size" Last three years he is a point per game, 2021-22 - 8 points in 7 games, 2022-2023 - 14 points in 11 games, 2023-24 3 points in 7 games.

I literally said in my post that he was "that guy" against Tampa.

 

[Racer88]

Once Marner’s gone it will be another player they run out of town. Probably back to Willy. We do it all the time, gotta choose one guy to put all the focus on.

Hopefully once Marner and Tavares is gone they can build a team that can win and we will be busy celebrating

 

[Antropovsky]

what's the sample size and did it translate to the playoffs?

Genuinely don't know...

5v5 Stats with Linemates (2024)

- 150 mins - Bertuzzi, Matthews, Domi
- Expected Goals/60: 4.23
- Expected Goals Against/60: 2.22

- 404 mins - Knies, Matthews, Marner
- Expected Goals/60: 3.16
- Expected Goals Against/60: 2.23

So much for "Marner boosting Matthews' goals" or "Marner being this incredible defensive asset on Matthews' line."

Looking back:

Matthews as a rookie:
- 917 mins with Hyman
- Goals/60: 1.72
- 411 mins with C. Brown
- Goals/60: 2.19

Matthews with Marner at 25-26 years old:
- 1260 mins (over 2 seasons)
- Goals/60: 1.48

- Matthews with Domi at 26 years old:
- 206 min
- Goals/60: 3.19

That $11 million winger sure is boosting Matthews a lot!