Does dubas remain GM if the leafs get bounced by Florida?

[AllDay28]

Which teams do you think will offer him the keys to the kingdom?

Pittsburgh, Calgary

Now that you mention it, Dubas and Trudeau do have some unsettling similarities... but that's where the politics talk ends for me.


Good. Let him ruin a different team


The arrogance of the Dubas fan club to claim anyone who wants him gone is a hater is truly a sight to behold

So who you replacing Dubas with?

 

[JKG33]

Pittsburgh, Calgary



So who you replacing Dubas with?

Asked and answered every time this lame comeback is brought up.

This time I'll go off the board and say Sean Burke. Extremely intelligent man (listen to any of his interviews). He's got management experience with team canads. He wants to be a GM. And most importantly, he can identify a good f***ing goalie

 

[All Mod Cons]

Pittsburgh, Calgary



So who you replacing Dubas with?

They've not had much success with their recent management hires, so hard to trust their judgment.

Marc Savard. Jason Spezza. Paul McFarland. Andrew Brunette.

Most likely Brandon Pridham.

 

[thewave]

Dubas kept a Coach that should have and would have been fired after the MTL loss. That's on him, he stuck with him and this is Dubas' second chance already. If they get bounced it's time for a change.

No questions. You don't double down on dumb and expect success.

 

[AllDay28]

Asked and answered every time this lame comeback is brought up.

This time I'll go off the board and say Sean Burke. Extremely intelligent man (listen to any of his interviews). He's got management experience with team canads. He wants to be a GM. And most importantly, he can identify a good f***ing goalie

Lmfao. So a person with no GM experience in the NHL?

 

[Sypher04]

If you voted yes, are you really a fan of this team?

I haven’t voted yes, as evidenced by my post, but I see no issue with someone picking yes. Just means they don’t think Dubas is the problem - which is a very supportable position, even if you don’t agree.

 

[JKG33]

Lmfao. So a person with no GM experience in the NHL?

One potential rookie GM's resume:
56 yrs old
20 year NHL career
10+ years as an NHL goalie coach
4 years as an NHL assistant GM
Team Canada GM experience

An actual rookie GM's resume:
32 yrs old
Fell ass backwards into an OHL GM role
4 years as an NHL assistant GM
Proficient in excel
Never played competitive hockey

Hmmm which one looks more qualified?

 

[DraftSchmaft]

NHL has become like the NFL. You need guys in their prime to win and if you do go the non-prime route, you should have as little flaws as possible....it's more insurance. I knew we had no shot at the cup when his big play was a guy whose major accolade is what he did in the past, not what he can still do. We were too flawed to go with O'Reilly due to how flawed we were overall, and I was also wrong myself thinking Kane was a good move. Look at the injury report that came out after. You can't chase guys on the wrong end of their prime.

I believe we will see trends where it is no longer hard to acquire guys like O'Reilly at the deadline any more. Teams that are transitioning from good to bubble/lottery because their star power has dropped a tier. Blues knew what they were doing letting go of O'Reilly and Tarasenko. They knew they had no shot at a cup with these 2 as the core.

O'Reilly, Acciari, Lafferty, McCabe........Luke frigin Schenn ended up the second best add out of the 4.


I keep saying it. I notice Knies every shift. Young fresh legs with a full tank of gas. This team would be so different if we went for the (In sentiment, not literally) Coleman, Goodrow , Hagel, Bertuzzi, Jeannot (healthy version) Horvats* and Meiers* etc of the league. I don't know why you want to continue with this GM who only provides "meh" to "yeah that's a decent add". Sandin + 1st easily gets you guys in their prime.

(Again, it doesn't matter the teams that own Hagel, Bertuzzi etc lost, I am talking about how these players change the dynamic of OUR team)


* = actual "all in" moves.

 

[Sypher04]

I have never seen an NHL gm act like a baby like this guy. Throwing water bottles and slamming his desk all game. Isn't he supposed to be stoic and professional?

Lots of NHL GMs show emotion.

 

[JKG33]

I haven’t voted yes, as evidenced by my post, but I see no issue with someone picking yes. Just means they don’t think Dubas is the problem - which is a very supportable position, even if you don’t agree.

That was more of a shot at the people who claim I'm not a real fan because I think Dubas should've been shown the door years ago.

Supportable? Maybe if you don't care about results. But I know we'll agree to disagree there

 

[Sypher04]

That was more of a shot at the people who claim I'm not a real fan because I think Dubas should've been shown the door years ago.

Supportable? Maybe if you don't care about results. But I know we'll agree to disagree there

Everyone cares about the results. But what actually matters is body of work and whether you believe the GM in charge is capable of completing the work they’ve started. You obviously don’t, which is fine. Others, will have a different assessment.

Change for the sake of change doesn’t necessarily get you any closer to the ultimate goal.

I see both sides.

 

[saffronleaf]

if it's a sweep or gentlmen's sweep then probably yes

if it's a long series... prob not.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Alot of luck was involved. Sure the Leafs teams in the early 2000s made it past the 1st round more than once, but at NO TIME did I ever look at those teams and think they EVER had the chance to win the cup. They were middle of the road teams that were good enough to get to the playoffs, but would never be considered a serious cup contender.

You are distorting the past to suit your narrative.

 

[JKG33]

Everyone cares about the results. But what actually matters is body of work and whether you believe the GM in charge is capable of completing the work they’ve started. You obviously don’t, which is fine. Others, will have a different assessment.

Change for the sake of change doesn’t necessarily get you any closer to the ultimate goal.

I see both sides.

The thing is, worse GMs than Dubas have more playoff success. Chiarelli has a cup for example. And up until this year's additions of ROR and Schenn, the moves Dubas made almost seemed like he was trying to fail.

All these years with Dubas at the helm and all the talent this team has, they should've won a round a helluva lot sooner if for no other reason than dumb luck.

Now here we are. After an 0-2 start at home in rd 2. it's looking like that last round may have finally been the dumb luck of you can't possibly lose 7 years in a row.

You are distorting the past to suit your narrative.

Yup. Maybe it was my youthful optimism, but those teams lead by Sundin and Stanley Cup Champion, Hall of Famer Ed Belfour seemed a helluva lot more dangerous than this era's group

 

[hamzarocks]

Leafs in 7

 

[Hockeylife2018]

Yes. This loss isn’t on him

Everything falls on the GM as he built the team
Do you consider the bruins season a good one? I guess it depends if the team was built to set a regular season record or win a Stanley cup...to me it wasn't built well enough to win a cup, no matter the regular season success

 

[Dragao6]

Well I think Its brutally apparent that we won’t win with these guys and these contracts don’t let us improve the team.

Dubas put his career on the line for tavares signing, commitment to big 3 and commitment to this years goalies he signed.

Silver lining is Murray has stepped in I. The past mid-playoffs and won the cup twice right?

Falling apart now vs a very beatable Florida
Guys making 11mil can’t miss those chances or make those mistakes. Other teams their stars lift them up and score when needed
We got guys that shy away so as for dubas, keefe and shanahan and some of these players the writing is probably on the Wall

 

[Dragao6]

Pittsburgh, Calgary



So who you replacing Dubas with?

Anyone that can bring in Cooper to be our next coach

Dubas has learned on the job and is likeable
His biggest issue is he won’t make the hard decisions that need to be made like firing keefe or moving on from these big contracts! So yeah that’s a problem

 

[GQS]

I'd much rather have a mid team that over achieves instead of a talented team that can never figure it out

What's the point of having a middling team that will have almost no chance of ever winning the Stanley Cup vs a team that at least has the potential to do so? At least you can continue to adjust and improve the team or change coaches compared to a team that simply can't compete and its probably better to blow it up and have at least a partial rebuild if not a full one to create a team that actually has a chance.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

I voted Yes because if the Leafs were to hypothetically get eliminated by Florida, the target should be on the coach and the players.

Dubas brought in dmen, brought in veterans, brought in grit, brought in everything the core needed to get over the hump. The core will be to blame for not going deeper, as will a rookie coach who refuses/does not know how to adapt to his opponents.

If we get beaten by Florida, I think Keefe is gone and Willie is on the block.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Imagine getting bounced by this Panthers team. f***ing sad lol.

Leafs in 6

 

[GQS]

You are distorting the past to suit your narrative.

That's your opinion just like its my opinion that watching those Leafs teams back then I knew they wouldn't have much of a chance to go far compared to the other teams they were up against. Looking at the Leafs lineup during those years you can't possibly tell me that they were a championship caliber team compared to their competition.

 

[mikeyz]

You're not, so why do you even care?

So we’re supposed to be happy with 1 playoff series win in 7 years?

And make no mistake about it, if Hedman was anywhere near 100% and Cernak didn’t get hurt, we arguably wouldn’t have even won that.

 

[LastOne2100]

If they lose in round 2, especially if it's as embarrassing as it's trending, and they don't clean house, I might take a season off.

Dubas has left this franchise with almost no draft picks, almost no prospects, and made no positive improvements to the core since his arrival, and has 1 total series win to his name - which, quite frankly, we got seriously outplayed in.

If our ownership group thinks that's good enough, which it obviously is not, and doesn't care that their franchise is a running gag, I am not sure why I should care anymore.

 

[Leafshater67]

I have a hard time forgiving him when he allowed Matthews and Marner to take those horrible (for the team) contracts.

If he was going to pay them that much at the time, he should have played hardball on term. Now their contracts are up soon and they’re UFA’s so we have no power other than to hand them a blank cheque and pray they stay.

They played hard ball with Nylander but not those 2. Then bringing in Tavares to be a 2C at 11m was the icing on the cake. The team is just too top heavy. There’s no grit from their core and they depend on heavily retained veteran rentals in hopes to get by.

He’s done an admirable job since but his screwing up with the core of this team is unforgivable. Cap management is the most important thing a GM needs to do. Let’s pray Marner and Matthews extend their contracts with team friendly deals but we can only hold our breath. My assumption is they don’t and they push for selfish deals again, crippling the team further. We can hope though.

I’d straight up trade Marner for Brady Tkachuk if it was a video game. Obviously wouldn’t work IRL but I wish they had a Sam Bennett player (or literally Sam Bennett) as 2C and the extra 7m tied up in a shut down defender like Ekholm.