Does Curtis Joseph make it into the HOF?

[crazy8888]

He was awful in his stint in Detroit. He spent a good chunk of it playing in the AHL and was not good in any of the playoff series he played in there.

Chris Osgood is a long shot too despite having better numbers than Joseph, 3 cups, 2 Jennings trophies and almost as many wins as CuJo in almost 200 fewer games.

Perhaps they get in due to very weak inductee years but probably not.

Thats statement could not be more wrong. He was good on Detroit. In 2003 GSG put up the best goalie performance in PO's ever as far as I'm concerned. In 2004 he replaced Osgood after 2 games and was very good. they lost to a hot Calgary team that made it to the finals. If i recall correctly that was also the Detroit team that just lost Yzerman to retirement, Fedorov left for Anaheim and Scotty Bowman retired after the 2002 cup win. I think both Years Joseph was there they had Dave Lewis as the head coach who could not walk in Bowmans shoes, but could right?

as for OP's question, Joseph was always my favorite goalie and i rooted for every team he played on. Even in the end during his stints in Phoenix, Calgary and Toronto i would follow those teams and keep up on the scores.

With that being said i do not think he should make the hall of fame. Him being 4th on the all time win list is negated by him also being up there int the all time loss list. Combine that with lack of major awards and stanley cup appearances and you have a resume not worthy of the hall of fame.
He was very good however for a very long time.If that Leafs team in 2002 was not as injured as they were int he PO'S i think they would have gone to the finals that year and lost to Detroit.

I don't think he should make it. Don't think Osgood should make it either since i saw him mentioned here.
Both were great but hall of fame contenders they are not. Its not the hall of very good..... which is not a knock on anybody career, just that the hall of fame should be reserved only for generational talents.

How about current goalies say past the lockout in 06. I say only Lundqvist fits the criteria so far.

 

[Brewsky]

Should Kiprusoff be in the HOF?

 

[Esq]

If he gets in then Osgood gets in.

This is where the rubber meets the road for me. If Osgood isn't a HOFer, then no way CuJo is.

 

[Rec T]

This is where the rubber meets the road for me. If Osgood isn't a HOFer, then no way CuJo is.

Pretty much the way I see it too. Osgood should be in the Hall & then we can think about Cujo (who, when all is said & done, probably shouldn't be in the HOF but I wouldn't object to a plaque out on the front doorstep...)

 

[Christ]

Great player but he won very little. The gold that he won with Canada he did so as a benchwarmer for the most part. I think if anything keeps him out it will be the fact that he never won a cup.

 

[Bixby Snyder]

Barrasso seems like a stronger candidate than CuJo in terms of guys who've been waiting.

2 Cups
Calder, Vezina, Jennings
5 x top-3 Vezina vs. 3

Barrasso should get in before Joseph, Osgood or Vernon.

 

[Bending and Tending]

Never heard of him, so I am going to say no

I have two reactions to your post:

1. If you are new(er) to hockey, then your statement is a good reason why he shouldn't make it. He's a recent goalie, but his name didn't have much staying power in the minds of fans

2. If you are not new to hockey, then I have no idea how you never heard of him.

 

[HighAndTight]

Barrasso should get in before Joseph, Osgood or Vernon.

Forgot about Barrasso in my last post.

I'd go:

Barrasso
Osgood
Luongo
Joseph

Possibly Vernon 3rd to 5th if his 2 good PO stints are enough but God are his RS numbers hot garbage.

 

[Datsyukian Deke]

Forgot about Barrasso in my last post.

I'd go:

Barrasso
Osgood
Luongo
Joseph

Possibly Vernon 3rd to 5th if his 2 good PO stints are enough but God are his RS numbers hot garbage.

I'd be ok with that, no complaints.

 

[TMLife*]

Yes. Book it

 

[PhoenyX]

Does he have a Vezina? I feel like you need at least one vezina to be deserving of the HHOF, along with a pretty darn good resume.

 

[stahl]

Joseph is the hall of very good. His lack of playoff success and individual awards will keep him out.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Forgot about Barrasso in my last post.

I'd go:

Barrasso
Osgood
Luongo
Joseph

Possibly Vernon 3rd to 5th if his 2 good PO stints are enough but God are his RS numbers hot garbage.

Luongo and Joseph were flat-out better goaltenders than Osgood. It would be unconscionable for Osgood to go in while they sit outside.

 

[SladeWilson23]

I do think they need to loosen up the standards for goalies. I would have no issue with Osgood going in. For goalies, I think longevity should be valued more for goalies than for forwards. It's probably the only position where consistency is the most important factor.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Does Curtis Joseph make it into the Hall of Fame?

4th All time in Wins for Goalies: all goalies ahead of him are in or will be with Brodeur, Roy, Belfour

Doesn't have a cup, but does have GOLD with Team Canada in 2002. Also represented his country in 98.

Played some terrific hockey in the playoffs with STL, EDM, TOR, even DET [ except Kippersoft was better]

Probably one of the greatest goalies of all time to never win a cup.

tough for goalies to get in

Not having a CUP hurts--the Canadian teams he played on were stacked and that hurts--also--didnt he just play one game? So saying he has Gold is tampering with the truth--Marty B started 5 games--So that is not really on his CV

Osgood 401 wins is not in and gas rings
Vernon 385 wins and rings-not in
John Vanbiesbrouck has a lot of trophies and he is not in
Moog and Barasso cup wins not in

 

[Duke Silver]

"Goalie wins" is the worst stat I've ever seen and anyone using to decide who enters the Hall of Fame needs to have their votes stripped from them immediately

Indeed, in terms of winning percentage, of goaltenders who have played at least 250 games, Joseph places 23rd in winning percentage out of 52.

Non-HOFers in front of him: Osgood, Moog, Kipprusoff, Nabokov, Turco, Vernon, Hextall

Active HOFers in front of him: Lundqvist, Fleury, Rinne, Quick, Price, Miller, Lehtonen

 

[HighAndTight]

Luongo and Joseph were flat-out better goaltenders than Osgood. It would be unconscionable for Osgood to go in while they sit outside.

Completely agree I'm just trying to be even handed and less of a homer

 

[Bleedred]

I don't think he makes it, unless it's in a year where they're short on credible names to put in.

Rogie Vachon made it to the HOF after over 30 years of eligibility, so I wouldn't exactly rule out Joseph getting in.

It will be interesting to see if Luongo gets in. They have fairly comparable careers and Luongo is about to pass Joseph in all time wins. Neither has a cup, nor a Vezina. Luongo does have a gold medal as a starter. I personally think Luongo should be in.

 

[Bleedred]

Indeed, in terms of winning percentage, of goaltenders who have played at least 250 games, Joseph places 23rd in winning percentage out of 52.

Non-HOFers in front of him: Osgood, Moog, Kipprusoff, Nabokov, Turco, Vernon, Hextall

Active HOFers in front of him: Lundqvist, Fleury, Rinne, Quick, Price, Miller, Lehtonen

Not sure if serious on your list of ''Active HOFers'', perhaps I misinterpreted you.

What exactly makes Rinne, Miller, Lehtonen or even Fleury (2 cups and one as a starter be damned) HOF worthy? Price isn't HOF worthy yet, but he's quite a bit younger than most of those names.

Lundqvist is in all likelihood a hall of famer. I don't think it's completely asinine to say Quick is on track to get in the HOF right now. 2 cups, a Conn Smythe, already the all time leader in shutouts for American born goalies, will likely smash wins for all American born goalies as of right now.

Rinne, Miller, Lehtonen, Fleury, none of these names belong in the HOF. That would be an insult to the HOF to induct any of these names.

If any of those guys get in, Osgood should be in and even Vanbiesbrouck and Barrasso. Maybe even Richter too.

 

[LeafFever]

He was awful in his stint in Detroit. He spent a good chunk of it playing in the AHL and was not good in any of the playoff series he played in there.

Chris Osgood is a long shot too despite having better numbers than Joseph, 3 cups, 2 Jennings trophies and almost as many wins as CuJo in almost 200 fewer games.

Perhaps they get in due to very weak inductee years but probably not.

Let's be fair here. He wasn't sent to the AHL due to his play. It was Hasek pulling a 180 and coming back. It was actually a crappy thing Hasek did.

 

[LeafFever]

Great player but he won very little. The gold that he won with Canada he did so as a benchwarmer for the most part. I think if anything keeps him out it will be the fact that he never won a cup.

It isn't the NBA though. You need so many supporting pieces to win.

 

[Bleedred]

Let's be fair here. He wasn't sent to the AHL due to his play. It was Hasek pulling a 180 and coming back. It was actually a crappy thing Hasek did.

He was okay in the 4 games in the 2003 playoffs. That was the year Giguere won the Conn Smythe, so goals were hard to come by for Detroit in that series.

Then in 2004, Legace stunk up the joint early in the Nashville series and Cujo came in and closed the series out with 1 goal allowed over the final 2 games of the series in his only 2 starts of the series. I know it was only 2 starts and a relief appearance, but it was a pretty good 2+ games for him.

Then in the Calgary series, he played well and Calgary shut them out the final two games of the series. Oddly enough, Cujo had the best save percentage and lowest GAA of any goaltender in the 2004 playoffs. I wouldn't say he wasn't good in any of the series for Detroit or whatever that poster said. That would be false.

He was demoted to the AHL because of Hasek. Hasek decided to come out of retirement after a year and Detroit jumped on him before he could sign with Colorado or somebody. That was the fear at the time, that he would sign with Colorado, who had just lost Roy to retirement just a few weeks prio.

 

[Jester9881]

 

[Bluesguru]

To me Joseph was at his best "ONLY" when he played for an underdog. Big post-season for the Blues when they were heavy underdogs against the Hawks in Rd 1 and the Blues swept them. When Keenan came to STL, he was supposed to bring a Cup here, Joseph was playing out his contract. Keenan told him the same thing he told Mike Richter in NY, "hold us up". Meaning go out there, play big and make it impossible for us not to sign you. In the first round of the playoffs Joseph struggled. Gm 7 at home Christian Ruutu scored from beyond the Blue line. Joseph choked.

Then Cujo goes to Edmonton, a struggling team and then boom, he upsets the powerful Avalanche in 7 games. Then I remember when he went to Detroit with those powerful Red Wing teams and he was just a big disappointment there. Big time.
And then I remember when he was anointed the starting goalie for Team Canada and in his first game he got lit up. He ended up on the bench. I think he made the Conference Finals with Toronto but all in all, IMO he was great when he had no pressure as an underdog but if put in the favorite's role he struggled.

 

[CHGoalie27]

Standards for goalies to make the HHOF are high and the lack of cups and individual awards should keep him out.

Standards for goalies are disgusting.

For Cujo Richter and Beezer not to be enshrined...