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Does Curtis Joseph make it into the HOF?

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No, he falls into the Hall of Very Good category. He has only 3 top 3 Vezina finishes. Plus with, the goalies his career overlapped with he is viewed as clearly behind Hasek, Roy, Brodeur, Belfour, Luongo, and Lundqvist. Then there is a different, but a stronger case for Osgood. I loved Cujo on the eafs

On top of that, because he was a bit of a mercenary, he doesn't have one strong group of writers pushing for him.
 
93LEAFS said:
On top of that, because he was a bit of a mercenary, he doesn't have one strong group of writers pushing for him.
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According to the Hall of Fame website the only writers who vote is Marc de Foy, Eric Duhatschek, Michael Farber. The rest are former NHL players who are now executives with various teams. There is also Bob McKenzie who is apart of the selection committee, however today he would you still consider him a writer despite writing the odd story for TSN's website, when he is their lead insider and on TV a lot. So basically what I'm saying is the people who vote are not 100% writers like it is for the Baseball Hall of Fame.

http://www.hhof.com/htmlinduct/indselect.shtml
 
MapleLeafsFan75 said:
According to the Hall of Fame website the only writers who vote is Marc de Foy, Eric Duhatschek, Michael Farber. The rest are former NHL players who are now executives with various teams. There is also Bob McKenzie, however today he would you still consider him a writer despite writing the odd story for TSN's website, when he is their lead insider and on TV a lot. So basically what I'm saying is the people who vote are not 100% writers like it is for the Baseball Hall of Fame.

http://www.hhof.com/htmlinduct/indselect.shtml
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Either way, he doesn't really have one fanbase or organization putting pressure on the voters. There is no one putting out Cujo deserves it type stuff. Whereas someone like Osgood probably has some vocal Wings fans pushing his cause.
 
93LEAFS said:
Either way, he doesn't really have one fanbase or organization putting pressure on the voters. There is no one putting out Cujo deserves it type stuff. Whereas someone like Osgood probably has some vocal Wings fans pushing his cause.
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Wings fan here. I don't think many of us think osgood should be in the hall. But you have a good point about cujo
 
93LEAFS said:
Either way, he doesn't really have one fanbase or organization putting pressure on the voters. There is no one putting out Cujo deserves it type stuff. Whereas someone like Osgood probably has some vocal Wings fans pushing his cause.
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One thing about Joseph not being in the Hall of Fame is the notion that him playing for the Leafs would get him in. I remember reading comments on here from non Leafs fans who said that's the main reason why Mats Sundin got elected the first year he was eligible.
 
ChelFan31 said:
I think winning cups is more about circumstances you can't control as a goaler. Like how strong of the composition of your roster/ team is, and who you play. a lot of the teams joseph played on had no business even winning one round let alone advancing to division/conference finals.

IMO I Don't think that should take away from his HOF pitch.

Osgood was a benefactor of playing on good Red Wings teams. BUT whos the better goalie tho? Joseph or Osgood.... I would say Joseph if I had to take one of the two in a game seven. Your thoughts?
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Osgood was a major piece in the cup runs.

Man, the guy gets no respect. :shakehead

As for Cujo, I'm neutral.
 
I have a feeling he slips in when we hit this really weak run of classes coming up. There are only going to be a couple of worthy players per year, and Joseph is close to the top of the pile who haven't been accepted. He's as borderline as a player can be, but goalies are underrepresented and he was a very memorable player.

Oscar Lindberg said:
Never heard of him, so I am going to say no
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#4 all time in wins, he's a player worth being aware of.

HighAndTight said:
A good question is who did Vernon **** off?

Or were his RS numbers just too pedestrian?
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I liked Vernon, but he was no HOF'er. He happened to play for the right teams at the right time.
 
My favourite goaltender of all time. No cup ring but all the other numbers should eventually push him through into the hall of fame. I'll say yes.....
 
Fringe guy. Probably will get in during a very, very weak year and will subsequently be wrongly named as a guy who shouldn't be in, all the while not being close to the weakest goalie in the HHOF.
 
If you're going to talk about his wins, you have to also talk about his losses. When he retired, he was the all time leader in losses, wasn't he? Seems to me that he was just a guy that played a ton of games, which might explain why those numbers are as high as they are.

Good, yes. Great? Eh. Sometimes. Hall of Fame? No sir. Given the standards goalies are held to, one has to have a couple spectacular years to get in. Cujo was never spectacular, and his utter lack of shiny metal stuff speaks to that.
 
I hope so because he was my childhood hero growing up. He is the reason I fell in love with hockey. If he doesn't, I can see why.
 
Barrasso seems like a stronger candidate than CuJo in terms of guys who've been waiting.

2 Cups
Calder, Vezina, Jennings
5 x top-3 Vezina vs. 3
 
IMO, Joseph IS the fence. It's hard to decide what side of the fence the actual fence is on... but if you're better than Joseph, you're in, and if you're worse you're out.
 
HighAndTight said:
By your criteria.

Luongo will surpass Cujo in wins for 4th. Has 1 major trophy, how valid it is, is up for discussion. Will be in the top 10 for shutouts all time when all is said and done could possibly get to top 5. Is the 2nd most shelled goalie of all time and iirc has faced the most shots per game ever.
Had nearly identical PO stats as Cujo with much much better RS numbers. 2nd team AS twice to Cujos none. Will most likely be only the 3rd goalie to reach 1000 gp. Hart finalist. 2x gold medal winner(once as a starter). All time wins and shutout leader for 2 different teams.

And did it all while being on some of the crapiest teams.

And still probably won't get in.

In order of who deserves it:

Osgood
Luongo
Joseph
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And all 3 are behind Barrasso
 
trentmccleary said:
Barrasso seems like a stronger candidate than CuJo in terms of guys who've been waiting.

2 Cups
Calder, Vezina, Jennings
5 x top-3 Vezina vs. 3
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He probably is.
But Barrasso...

- Faced slightly worse competition in his prime
- Was done as an above average netminder at 32. Hell, he was done as a STARTER at 32 (but also started earlier), at a time where tandem goaltending was more in vogue.
- Had black holes years due to many reasons when he should've been in his prime
- Was generally not cool

I mean, I can't see the line between HHOF'er and non-HHOF'er passing straight between Joseph and Barrasso, and should there be such a line, I would have serious issues determining which one should be on the "right" side and which one should be on the "wrong" side. They're similar in a way... but there's also lots to distinguish between both.
 
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