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Does Curtis Joseph make it into the HOF?

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ChelFan31

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Does Curtis Joseph make it into the Hall of Fame?

4th All time in Wins for Goalies: all goalies ahead of him are in or will be with Brodeur, Roy, Belfour

Doesn't have a cup, but does have GOLD with Team Canada in 2002. Also represented his country in 98.

Played some terrific hockey in the playoffs with STL, EDM, TOR, even DET [ except Kippersoft was better]

Probably one of the greatest goalies of all time to never win a cup.
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Standards for goalies to make the HHOF are high and the lack of cups and individual awards should keep him out.
 
ChelFan31 said:
Does Curtis Joseph make it into the Hall of Fame?

4th All time in Wins for Goalies: all goalies ahead of him are in or will be with Brodeur, Roy, Belfour

Doesn't have a cup, but does have GOLD with Team Canada in 2002. Also represented his country in 98.

Played some terrific hockey in the playoffs with STL, EDM, TOR, even DET [ except Kippersoft was better]

Probably one of the greatest goalies of all time to never win a cup.
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He was awful in his stint in Detroit. He spent a good chunk of it playing in the AHL and was not good in any of the playoff series he played in there.

Chris Osgood is a long shot too despite having better numbers than Joseph, 3 cups, 2 Jennings trophies and almost as many wins as CuJo in almost 200 fewer games.

Perhaps they get in due to very weak inductee years but probably not.
 
"Goalie wins" is the worst stat I've ever seen and anyone using to decide who enters the Hall of Fame needs to have their votes stripped from them immediately
 
FlashyG said:
He was awful in his stint in Detroit. He spent a good chunk of it playing in the AHL and was not good in any of the playoff series he played in there.

Chris Osgood is a long shot too despite having better numbers than Joseph, 3 cups, 2 Jennings trophies and almost as many wins as CuJo in almost 200 fewer games.

Perhaps they get in due to very weak inductee years but probably not.
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Osgood should get in. But id have to give it to Luongo over Joseph.
 
MapleLeafsFan75 said:
Because he didn't win any Stanley Cups and others have made the argument that someone like Chris Osgood should get in because he's won 3 Cups in his career and etc.
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I think winning cups is more about circumstances you can't control as a goaler. Like how strong of the composition of your roster/ team is, and who you play. a lot of the teams joseph played on had no business even winning one round let alone advancing to division/conference finals.

IMO I Don't think that should take away from his HOF pitch.

Osgood was a benefactor of playing on good Red Wings teams. BUT whos the better goalie tho? Joseph or Osgood.... I would say Joseph if I had to take one of the two in a game seven. Your thoughts?
 
FlashyG said:
He was awful in his stint in Detroit. He spent a good chunk of it playing in the AHL and was not good in any of the playoff series he played in there.

Chris Osgood is a long shot too despite having better numbers than Joseph, 3 cups, 2 Jennings trophies and almost as many wins as CuJo in almost 200 fewer games.

Perhaps they get in due to very weak inductee years but probably not.
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A good chunk being one game, which was more to due with Hasek unretiring than Joseph's play?
 
ChelFan31 said:
I think winning cups is more about circumstances you can't control as a goaler. Like how strong of the composition of your roster/ team is, and who you play.

IMO I Don't think that should take away from his HOF pitch.

Osgood was a benefactor of playing on good Red Wings teams. BUT whos the better goalie tho? Joseph or Osgood.... I would say Joseph if I had to take one of the two in a game seven. Your thoughts?
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Joseph does have history of basically winning playoff series on his own and coming up in big time games. The Oilers team in 1997 who defeated the Stars in Game 7 and the Oilers team who came back from 3-1 down against the Avalanche in 1998. In both those series Joseph made game saving saves that would have meant losing in the first round. He was also a major reason for the 1999 and 2002 Maple Leafs teams that went all the way to the Eastern Conference Finals.
 
FlashyG said:
He was awful in his stint in Detroit. He spent a good chunk of it playing in the AHL and was not good in any of the playoff series he played in there.

Chris Osgood is a long shot too despite having better numbers than Joseph, 3 cups, 2 Jennings trophies and almost as many wins as CuJo in almost 200 fewer games.

Perhaps they get in due to very weak inductee years but probably not.
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pretty sure he and Kippersoft went toe to toe in a 6 game series with games at 1-0, or 2-1. cant expect much more from a goaler. he kept the Wings in the series.

That's pretty good. CGY went to the finals that year.
 
ChelFan31 said:
I think winning cups is more about circumstances you can't control as a goaler. Like how strong of the composition of your roster/ team is, and who you play. a lot of the teams joseph played on had no business even winning one round let alone advancing to division/conference finals.

IMO I Don't think that should take away from his HOF pitch.

Osgood was a benefactor of playing on good Red Wings teams. BUT whos the better goalie tho? Joseph or Osgood.... I would say Joseph if I had to take one of the two in a game seven. Your thoughts?
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By your criteria.

Luongo will surpass Cujo in wins for 4th. Has 1 major trophy, how valid it is, is up for discussion. Will be in the top 10 for shutouts all time when all is said and done could possibly get to top 5. Is the 2nd most shelled goalie of all time and iirc has faced the most shots per game ever.
Had nearly identical PO stats as Cujo with much much better RS numbers. 2nd team AS twice to Cujos none. Will most likely be only the 3rd goalie to reach 1000 gp. Hart finalist. 2x gold medal winner(once as a starter). All time wins and shutout leader for 2 different teams.

And did it all while being on some of the crapiest teams.

And still probably won't get in.

In order of who deserves it:

Osgood
Luongo
Joseph
 
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If Joseph gets in, then Fluery is a lock. 2 Cups, Olympics gold medal and could finish top 3 in wins
 
CokenoPepsi said:
Luongo has zero individual awards and zero cups yet alot of people think he is getting in
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Luongo has two second team all star selections and a Jennings trophy. Joseph doesn't even have that.

Not to mention Luongo also has 2 World Championship gold medals, 1 World Cup gold and 2 Olympic gold medals. If Luongo gets in this will be why.
 
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