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What I really want is for Gallant is to put in some effort working with the kids on their skills.
 
bobbop said:
If you had ever run a hockey team (you haven’t, I have) you would see things much differently.
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Do you really have to belittle other's opinions just because you disagree with them? As a long time poster, I'd expect better. You also don't have to be a professional at something to have valid input (or be correct).
 
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He would have needed to look like a disaster for a few more weeks after that low point weekend vs Ottawa and Chicago to get fired.

He has turned around the season, he’s getting this playoff run bare minimum.

 
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Jaromir Jagr said:
Do you really have to belittle other's opinions just because you disagree with them? As a long time poster, I'd expect better. You also don't have to be a professional at something to have valid input (or be correct).
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Can't see no belittling in that post.
 
bobbop said:
Several.

There is no real checking/matchup lIne. Your best defensive players are scattered on different lines. Use Mika to match up with a top center and it neutralizes his offense. The fourth line as itv3xists today is a yard sale.

There is less sandpaper than a year ago. it’s really noticeable when the Rangers are up against a heavy team like Dallas. It is an area that has to be addressed before the playoffs.

The Rangers defensive performance is still among the very best in the league but they aren’t built to simply shut other teams down. Not that I would want to see it but they don’t have the roster to run a trap.

Third, there is a definite need for more scoring. Panarin is a point per game right now vs. 1.33 in his first three years with the Rangers. Whether that a natural decline coming with age (31), a decline due to Trocheck (which I don’t buy) or something else, his lack of scoring is dragging down the offense. I am sure Gallant is trying different things to get him going
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Last year Drury brought in three forwards at the deadline. I can easily see the same types of moves this year Perhaps with a different profile.

Gallant was a lot better coach last year after the reinforcements arrived.
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Gallant was a better coach after reinforcement - when he in effect was millions above cap post-TDL. That is not surprising. He was better because he had ready veteran players reinforcing this team which, again, is not surprising.

Based on today's game if you want a checking line do this for example, then build a fourth line around Goodrow (pre-TDL lineup):

Panarin - Zib - Kravtsov
Kid line
Kreider - Trocheck - Vesey (checking line)
XX - Goodrow - Gauthier

The defense is Igor to a far too large degree as we saw tonight, again, because of a general lack of structure in approach and breakdowns in the offensive and neutral zones.

So what do we have here with this line up? We have 4 kids 23 or younger in the top 6, all of them first round picks. All of them are talented, none of them are ready to carry the team and all of them have been slow cooked by the Rangers because that is how the Rangers do things.

Do you see the argument that the Rangers are working at cross purposes with itself and, that, with the way this Ranger roster exists in reality and the cap era focus on ELC contracts, it is essential to have coaches that are *brilliant* at developing forward talent at the NHL level as well as their other duties?

I feel Gallant's (managements?) approach is pre-cap era. The coaches must be able to develop also forward talent. What you outline is the very reason many here are frustrated with Gallant (and Quinn before him) and obviously with management.

I don't hate Gallant, but I am frustrated with him and I think he will never be able to adapt to the new circumstances with this roster, he will always pine for a vet heavy, sandpaper heavy lineup which is hardly possible nowadays (unless you do a Boston or Tampa with sweet heart contracts for your top stars and even then that is many years away for the NYR). Gallant has a young team he needs to develop weather he wants to or not.
 
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CLW said:
Gallant was a better coach after reinforcement - when he in effect was millions above cap post-TDL. That is not surprising. He was better because he had ready veteran players reinforcing this team which, again, is not surprising.

Based on today's game if you want a checking line do this for example, then build a fourth line around Goodrow (pre-TDL lineup):

Panarin - Zib - Kravtsov
Kid line
Kreider - Trocheck - Vesey (checking line)
XX - Goodrow - Gauthier

The defense is Igor to a far too large degree as we saw tonight, again, because of a general lack of structure in approach and breakdowns in the offensive and neutral zones.

So what do we have here with this line up? We have 4 kids 23 or younger in the top 6, all of them first round picks. All of them are talented, none of them are ready to carry the team and all of them have been slow cooked by the Rangers because that is how the Rangers do things.

Do you see the argument that the Rangers are working at cross purposes with itself and, that, with the way this Ranger roster exists in reality and the cap era focus on ELC contracts, it is essential to have coaches that are *brilliant* at developing forward talent at the NHL level as well as their other duties?

I feel Gallant's (managements?) approach is pre-cap era. The coaches must be able to develop also forward talent. What you outline is the very reason many here are frustrated with Gallant (and Quinn before him) and obviously with management.

I don't hate Gallant, but I am frustrated with him and I think he will never be able to adapt to the new circumstances with this roster, he will always pine for a vet heavy, sandpaper heavy lineup which is hardly possible nowadays (unless you do a Boston or Tampa with sweet heart contracts for your top stars and even then that is many years away for the NYR). Gallant has a young team he needs to develop weather he wants to or not.
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Sincere questions because these type of posts frustrate me. What do you think GG should be doing differently to "develop" the kids? Do you believe that they approach developing the defense differently? Do you believe that, given the schedule, coaches have the opportunities to develop players skills in-season? Do you think development means telling the kids to focus solely on the offensive side of the puck?
You do realize that these players hire skills coaches in the off season to work on their weaknesses?
On top of that, I hear "GG's system" often. What exactly is the system and which coaches system do you think would work better with this roster?
 
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Jaromir Jagr said:
Do you really have to belittle other's opinions just because you disagree with them? As a long time poster, I'd expect better. You also don't have to be a professional at something to have valid input (or be correct).
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It’s his M.O.
 
Hunter Gathers said:
How about we just finally change how the f*** we develop players? We've tried everything else even though I and others on here have been HOWLING about the player development issue for years, now. We are excellent at developing defenders and goaltenders.

We are horrific at developing impact forwards. We can develop two-way forwards all day, it feels like.

This has been a problem, now, since at least the early 00s. I actually think it goes back well before then, but you start getting hazy when you have truly different people in the upper management. Frankly, I place most of this at the feet of Sather. He's really the one constant with all of this and it is abundantly clear that his philosophy is something the organization has fully embraced from top to bottom.

He may only be an advisor, now, but I don't think anyone could convince me that Drury is not his disciple and that Dolan doesn't agree with his philosophy. The organization is broken.

And people on here just want a new coach. F***ing easy way out bullshit once again. But whatever.
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Yeah, no matter what the Rangers do they need to send someone to intern with like, Colorado’s development staff to find out what they are doing and mimic it.

Hunter Gathers said:
Gallant is fine. He's a solid coach. He's not going to make or break this team. There are a handful of humans that can make or break a team as a coach.

But whatever. Fans always rant about the coach and then never push to change anything else.

The fanbase is also a big problem with this team, IMO.
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Yup, the fan base has no patience. It’s a huge problem.
 
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Fans are neophytes. Its amazing how many fans wanted coaches fired that ended up winning Stanley Cups. Suter, Trotz, Quenville, etc were all fired from jobs and then went on to win the cup. Some of the same fans wanted us to tank in 2014 after 10 games. We ended up going to the Cup finals that season.

We have 59 points in 47 games. We are 7-2-1 in our last 10. We are in the playoffs. Yet some fans think firing the coach is a great move.
 
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If Gallant was ever on hot seat here it would be after the infamous game against Chicago in November. Since then the team responded by having one of the best records in the whole NHL. Asking right now if Gallant should be fired is at least poor in timing...
 
kovazub94 said:
If Gallant was ever on hot seat here it would be after the infamous game against Chicago in November. Since then the team responded by having one of the best records in the whole NHL. Asking right now if Gallant should be fired is at least poor in timing...
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It was never a real thing as much as some have tried to wish it into existence.

The earliest he'll be fired is next season, not this season coming off of an unexpected run to the ECF while the team is in the thick of a playoff race. I say this as someone who has not been happy with his work this year.

Hes kind of being limited by what he has to work with too, though hes very much gotten in his own way a bunch (breaking up lines that work to forces ones that don't has been infuriating as well as basically letting Panarin do what ever the f*** he wants to do.) On that note, I'm not thrilled with Drury this year either after what ended up being a home run TDL last year. Hajek and Blais still being here, claiming Leschyshyn, etc. At this point they'll be lucky to get a 2nd for Kravtsov so if that were ever really on the table, he should have taken it. Perhaps they'll be able to parlay this into another Georgiev situation where they still do well in the trade despite holding onto the player for way to long, but its either going to be like a 3rd or later or in a package for a player with Krav and if its the latter that deal should have probably been made already.
 
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It was never a real thing as much as some have tried to wish it into existence.

The earliest he'll be fired is next season, not this season coming off of an unexpected run to the ECF while the team is in the thick of a playoff race. I say this as someone who has not been happy with his work this year.

Hes kind of being limited by what he has to work with too, though hes very much gotten in his own way a bunch (breaking up lines that work to forces ones that don't has been infuriating as well as basically letting Panarin do what ever the f*** he wants to do.) On that note, I'm not thrilled with Drury this year either after what ended up being a home run TDL last year. Hajek and Blais still being here, claiming Leschyshyn, etc. At this point they'll be lucky to get a 2nd for Kravtsov so if that were ever really on the table, he should have taken it. Perhaps they'll be able to parlay this into another Georgiev situation where they still do well in the trade despite holding onto the player for way to long, but its either going to be like a 3rd or later or in a package for a player with Krav and if its the latter that deal should have probably been made already.
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1. On coaching - I mentioned Chicago game because one of the biggest reasons to remove a coach if his voice is no longer heard by players. As it was noted - most hockey schemes are not that different from one another. However if you ask a generic fan here (or anywhere in the social universe for this matter) they will give you 2-4 names they wish were HC of their team and the rest are complete morons. That means 28 teams that are at the very top of hockey foodchain are continuously coached by morons? Close to 90% of the NHL? What egos are on these fans to seriously think that.

2. On Kravtsov - the only thing I acknowledge that could keep Kravtsov with the Rangers beyond the upcoming offseason is his low cap hit and still some potential that he figures out how to train in offseason and intensity / concentration required to be a contributing everyday NHLer. However I’d not bet on this over potential trade either at TDL or in offseason. I can understand Drury’s motivation to get something more than a 2nd rounder and it doesn’t need to be a direct trade for a pick but an equivalent of trading him away for something that otherwise would require a him moving a 2nd pick or better.
 
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