Salary Cap: Do you trust Kyle Dubas with salary negotiations?

[rumman]

It all depends on where the cap goes with all these TV deals and gambling money. The issue with going lean next season, is possibly wasting your one year with Muzzin and other contracts you waste a year of.

roger that.

 

[Chris18820]

I can't imagine a worse outcome.

Marner isnt going anywhere. If they had to move someone to keep him they will. Him, Reilly, Matthews and Anderson are untouchable.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Marner isnt going anywhere. If they had to move someone to keep him they will. Him, Reilly, Matthews and Anderson are untouchable.

Agreed.
I'd much rather move Matthews in his current form than Marner.

Babcock said Marner will be a LifeLong Leaf. He never has said that about any other player.

 

[Al14]

Marner isnt going anywhere. If they had to move someone to keep him they will. Him, Reilly, Matthews and Anderson are untouchable.

If Rielly wins the Norris, who goes to make room for his cap hit when his current contract expires? I'm sure Rielly will ask for a huge raise to match the HUGE salaries granted to Nylander, Matthews, and likely Marner too. Andersen will looking for a BIG raise too when his deal is done!

 

[rumman]

If Rielly wins the Norris, who goes to make room for his cap hit when his current contract expires? I'm sure Rielly will ask for a huge raise to match the HUGE salaries granted to Nylander, Matthews, and likely Marner too. Andersen will looking for a BIG raise too when his deal is done!

and the little snowball made with the Nylander signing keeps rolling down the hill, getting bigger and bigger..........

 

[Al14]

and the little snowball made with the Nylander signing keeps rolling down the hill, getting bigger and bigger..........

Exactly! Nylander should be sitting out right the f*** now!

 

[rumman]

Exactly! Nylander should be sitting out right the **** now!

I guarantee you if Nylander wasn't signed, and he was wasting away in Sweden, Mathews would have signed for less money, and probably more term. Such a shame, all for 2 goals and 7 assists.

 

[hotpaws]

Possibly, since neither of us knows what was said in the off-season

Honestly, would you have given Marner 9M before the season started? I know I wouldn't have

I would have seriously attempted to sign all 3 instead of purposely slow playing Willie's deal and putting M&M's negotiations on the back burner.

Dumbass instead decided he had to try and reinvent the wheel and it ended up having him needing to wear depends because he can't hold his poop in .

 

[Kiwi]

I would have seriously attempted to sign all 3 instead of purposely slow playing Willie's deal and putting M&M's negotiations on the back burner.

Dumbass instead decided he had to try and reinvent the wheel and it ended up having him needing to wear depends because he can't hold his poop in .

So would I but the major problem is you can't make them sign something acceptable at the time, there well within there rights to sit on there hands and wait

None of the big RFA'S signed last off-season, I don't think you can blame Dubas if the players are starting to play the RFA situation differently

I'd also point out that if your keen on signing guys a year out Nylander's on Lou rather than Dubas, he was still our GM at that point
Also I don't think I've ever seen an RFA dig in like Nylander did, he's a difficult first big RFA contract for anybody

 

[lebdafor norris]

9 x 8 for Marner during the offseason is a not that big of an overpayment if you consider what Eichel and Drai got the year before, and it was definitely worth the risk once you realize that Marner has been putting up PPG numbers ever since December of last season; around the time his shoulders fully healed from his injury and his body fully recovered from the effects of mono . 3 years ago that would have been a gross overpayment but those 2017 RFA signings by Chia and Botterelli really changed the landscape for these skilled, RFAs.

I wont be surprise if Dubas was tempted to close the deal but Nylander still being unsigned and viewing himself to be of equal value to Marner prevented that from happening. It'll be really ironic if 2 years from now, Nylander's contract ended being the bargain out of the 3, I still think Nylander has the talent to be a consistent, 68-75 point forward.

 

[The Best Leafs Ever]

If Marner doesn't get 10mil per it's a steal the way Dubas is handing out the contracts.

 

[lebdafor norris]

If Marner doesn't get 10mil per it's a steal the way Dubas is handing out the contracts.

At this point, you should expect at least 11 mill per, Marner's agent is convince his worth just as much AM and it outraged at the though of discounts. I'd be happy if Dubas can get him for 11.6 but with 2 extra years compare to Matthews, thou I'm not sure if the Leafs will be able to keep both KK and AJ if they give him that.

 

[Gabriel426]

and the little snowball made with the Nylander signing keeps rolling down the hill, getting bigger and bigger..........

If Reilly wins the Norris and maintain this level for the rest of his contract, he is going to get what Doughty got and what Karlsson is going to get, regardless of Nylander, Matthews and Marner.

 

[Gabriel426]

I would have seriously attempted to sign all 3 instead of purposely slow playing Willie's deal and putting M&M's negotiations on the back burner.

Dumbass instead decided he had to try and reinvent the wheel and it ended up having him needing to wear depends because he can't hold his poop in .

First of all, Lou was the GM that didn’t sign Willie the moment he could be sign.
Secondly, I think collectively all these RFAs are betting on themselves bc not one GM was offering a good enough deals for these RFAs to sign.

In a perfect World, I wished Lou actually managed to resign Boyle two yrs ago thus they won’t waste a 2nd on Turtleneck, signed Marleau to 2yrs deal for 8mil/yr instead of 6mil for 3 yrs, trade Bozak, Leo and JVR two summers ago for picks and prospects instead of letting them walk for nothing, only sign Zai to 4 yrs deal instead of 7yrs, while also extending Willie on July 1, 2018, and lastly somehow swapping Hannifin and Jake as his last trade before leaving for the Islanders. Then have Dubas do his thing with JT and extend both Matthews and Marner before Camp.

 

[Superstar]

Still don't get why he can't get the Matthews camp to take 6 years instead of 5 at the same AAV while giving them 93% in signing bonuses.

 

[Gabriel426]

what the hell does LL have to do with Dumbass being bent over like a *****?

Lou should have extended Willie.

 

[Uncle]

Do people picture Dubas as the only one working on these contracts?

 

[ToemassCabriolet]

-Tavares signed for term - a good start
-Nylander's contract will look like a steal half-way through
-Matthews's contract is fair and has a silver lining for both sides

-Muzzin acquisition significantly improves team at reasonable cost
-Efficiency signings have made bottom of the line-up better than it's been in a long time
-Drafting BPA instead for size/position

The only thing he seemingly bungled was stalling out Nylander, but for all we know, that drove his cost down at very little expense to the team, which started the season exceptionally.

 

[socko]

Also I don't think I've ever seen an RFA dig in like Nylander did, he's a difficult first big RFA contract for anybody

And a great one to make an example of for the rest of the team. I don't know that he really dug in though, he was just playing against an amateur. Stamkos threatened to leave as a UFA and actually visited other teams, Yzerman wouldn't budge off of his offer, not even half a million. That guy is hardcore.

I think Shanahan has done a good job to date, with a little luck from the draft lottery, but I believe he has made a fatal error in letting Dubas handle contracts. These aren't just bad, they're ridiculously awful.

 

[ImpartialNHLfan]

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I wont be surprise if Dubas was tempted to close the deal but Nylander still being unsigned and viewing himself to be of equal value to Marner prevented that from happening. It'll be really ironic if 2 years from now, Nylander's contract ended being the bargain out of the 3, I still think Nylander has the talent to be a consistent, 68-75 point forward.

I am not a fan of Nylanders contract, thought it should have been 8 years for the AVV. But now since Dubas messed the market up it will be a steal of a contract.
Once Marner signs for $10.5m/4y it will look even better. Good job Dubas

 

[ShaneFalco]

Best team we've seen in I don't know how long, with young stars with massive potential, and some go on and on about contracts, and what they would have done, without a clue what went on behind the scenes

 

[Bomber0104]

Lou should have extended Willie.

How do we know Nylander's camp was willing to negotiate then? They played chicken with Dubas right down to the wire.

The thing about Lou is that he would have actually used the threat of Nylander sitting the season as actual leverage, as opposed to flying to Europe to make sure his feelings weren't hurt.

 

[rumman]

Best team we've seen in I don't know how long, with young stars with massive potential, and some go on and on about contracts, and what they would have done, without a clue what went on behind the scenes

 

[Gary Nylund]

LOL at trusting double agent Dubas. The only question left is who he's working for, it is Boston, Montreal or Tampa bay. TB is my best guess, or possibly they're all chipping in to pay him, who knows?

 

[Bluelines]

Do people picture Dubas as the only one working on these contracts?

Preach the truth bother!

It boggles my mind how many "experts" on this forum know how to be a NHL GM better than a team of experienced NHL executives that vetted Dubas before they hired him.

Is it arrogance? Is it Narcissism? Is it the snowflake mentality where everyone is right all the time and all opinions have value? Reading the comments on here, some people should have had the stupid slapped out of their mouths when they were younger. This thread is what happens when people are not taught to THINK before you speak.

The forum "experts" know that Matthews contract was an over payment. Matthews who is receiving less % of the cap than McDavid, who has been the 2nd best goal producer per game over the last 3 years. Think about that a guy who scores at a pace better than everyone in the world except for Ovie, is signed to a contract that is less than McDavid's. Shouldn't a guy who scores at an elite pace be paid at an elite rate?

People continue to make the same banal comments, that are not based in knowledge, are illustrating just how little they know about business, hockey, the world for that matter.

Is Dubas perfect, no but calling him juvenile names like Dumbass is a pitiful commentary on the shallow depths of our fan base.

This place has been for a lack of a better word, pitiful since the Matthews signing, we locked up our best player, one of the best in the world for the next 6 playoffs, that should be a good thing but no, we have to #bitch and moan over having the opportunity to have an elite core for the next 6 playoffs. Hell give him $15 mil per over the next 8 years, who cares, we will still have an extremely competitive team for the next 6 playoffs.

Fan's need to get back to being fans of the on ice product and away from being financial auditors of the team's P & L.