Salary Cap: Do you trust Kyle Dubas with salary negotiations?

[rumman]

Flames' Matthew Tkachuk weighs in on impact of Auston Matthews' new deal - Sportsnet.ca

called it, Dumbas is Chia 2.0.

 

[rumman]

^^^^^^lame excuses above ^^^^^^^

 

[17 Clark]

Just look at Matt duchene who is seriously entertaining a 8m x 8y deal. On pace for a 40g 90+ point season

our 100 point guys want 11.5m over 5 LOLZ.

our 20g 60 p guy gets 7m x 5y,,LOLZ

Look what’s running the show Kyle dumbass

 

[HalfLife]

Hunter's own the OHL with money.

Not impressive.

Guy is overrated

Give credit where's it's due. Otherwise you look petty and immature.

 

[HalfLife]

Too bad for you,that you see it that way! They are on the team,signed for years to come...how is this a negative thing?

Cause it's a bad contact for the leafs? Dubas is not a good negotiator.

 

[Sweet Leaf]

Brian Burke accuses Kevin Lowe of going "backdoor" on him.

I think Burke's comments about the Penner contract here shed light on his view of RFA contracts in general.

Burke was and is totally right.

It's flat out insane and irresponsible to be handing out these contracts and terms to guys who have no bargaining leverage whatsoever. The player's union negotiated a situation in good faith whereby the teams have all the leverage until the players are in the mid to late 20's...and then the player has all the leverage. Dubas has handed all the leverage back to the players for no good reason whatsoever. GM's and teams are freaking out all over the league, as well they should, because the Leafs have essentially screwed up the entire system and wrecked the only window in a player's career where the clubs have leverage.

 

[BlueForever75]

Ok so I just got some inside scoop. Joe Resnick is the agent of the recently retired Rick Nash. A friend of mine that is an OHL scout keeps in contact with agents all the time and is good friends with Joe. He just told me that word on the street is that the Leafs will pull a Washington Capitals and do with Marleau what the Caps did with Orpik this past off season.

Trade him along with a pick to a team. Team will buy him out which will be for the remainder of his contract (3M). This will be a 1 million dollar cap hit for 3 years to the team buying him out. Toronto in turn will resign him for 2 million dollars on a 1 yr deal. Marleau wins by making 5 million next season verses 3 million. Leafs win lowering cap hit for Marleau from 6.25 million to 2 million. And buyout team wins by getting some assets.

Yes this is circumventing the cap, but Washington was already cleared of any wrong doing. So the Leafs have the green light to do so. Agent believes this is whats going to happen. Leafs and Marleau relationship with still be good because he will still be a Leaf and locker room will remain happy as Marleau is a big part of it and its chemistry.

 

[rumman]

Burke was and is totally right.

It's flat out insane and irresponsible to be handing out these contracts and terms to guys who have no bargaining leverage whatsoever. The player's union negotiated a situation in good faith whereby the teams have all the leverage until the players are in the mid to late 20's...and then the player has all the leverage. Dubas has handed all the leverage back to the players for no good reason whatsoever. GM's and teams are freaking out all over the league, as well they should, because the Leafs have essentially screwed up the entire system and wrecked the only window in a player's career where the clubs have leverage.

Pretty much what’s going on, teams are getting screwed, and junior is the new Chia.

 

[ottawa]

No is winning. What a week it's been. First it's Muzzin Mania and now it's "fire Dubas and trade Matthews."

Jesus, anyone who said trade Matthews needs to buy a one-way ticket to Mars. He's your franchise player, get it together Leafs fans!

 

[Menzinger]

Burke was and is totally right.

It's flat out insane and irresponsible to be handing out these contracts and terms to guys who have no bargaining leverage whatsoever. The player's union negotiated a situation in good faith whereby the teams have all the leverage until the players are in the mid to late 20's...and then the player has all the leverage. Dubas has handed all the leverage back to the players for no good reason whatsoever. GM's and teams are freaking out all over the league, as well they should, because the Leafs have essentially screwed up the entire system and wrecked the only window in a player's career where the clubs have leverage.

The players HAVE leverage though. The CBA affords them certain rights, namely the ability to refuse to sign a contract.that leverage increases the more high profile the player is - Matthews isn’t a regular NHLer, he’s a superstar, they get treated differently than say a guy like Kapanen.

 

[Menzinger]

League needs to put a 5yr term cap, evenly spread out bonuses from start to finish like aav, and remove trade clauses entirely. The rest I can live with.

Why on earth do the players agree to this without concessions from the team?

To get all of that, teams would have to get rid of the ELC or cut down the RFa length considerably as a compromise

 

[Menzinger]

how about not guaranteeing contracts? Then the cream would really rise to the top, because floaters and coasters wouldn't exist beyond the term of their contracts.

Personally, what I’d like to see is for the that to happen, but also to get rid of the RFA: let players be full free agents after three years.

 

[Mess]

Burke was and is totally right.

It's flat out insane and irresponsible to be handing out these contracts and terms to guys who have no bargaining leverage whatsoever. The player's union negotiated a situation in good faith whereby the teams have all the leverage until the players are in the mid to late 20's...and then the player has all the leverage. Dubas has handed all the leverage back to the players for no good reason whatsoever. GM's and teams are freaking out all over the league, as well they should, because the Leafs have essentially screwed up the entire system and wrecked the only window in a player's career where the clubs have leverage.

That is some times the fallout from young inexperienced GMs making mistakes and not only does it impact their own team, but alters the entire market for everyone and all players in the future.

 

[rumman]

Personally, what I’d like to see is for the that to happen, but also to get rid of the RFA: let players be full free agents after three years.

it'll never happen due to the PA which is a bastardized union where wage skill parody is a complete joke, but it'd probably be possible to do away with the cap if contracts weren't guaranteed, and players would give their all or risk losing their jobs.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Pretty much what’s going on, teams are getting screwed, and junior is the new Chia.

To be fair, Chia got McDavid to sign long term to a pretty reasonable average all things considered.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

I think if Kyle had to do it over again he would have prioritized Matthews and gotten it done over the summer, then said to Nylander this is how much we got left take it or leave it.

 

[Nithoniniel]

Cause it's a bad contact for the leafs? Dubas is not a good negotiator.

It's not really. We signed up a near-Malkin talent for a near-Malkin contract. Either way, you don't worry about small overpayments to franchise players. You worry about big overpayments to depth players.

 

[socko]

Draisaitl is a huge bargain compared to what Dubas had done as well.

 

[Sweet Leaf]

To be fair, Chia got McDavid to sign long term to a pretty reasonable average all things considered.

I would way prefer 12.5 M over 8 vs 11.6 over 5 for Matty. That is a way better deal for the leafs than what we got.

We were laughing at all these other GM's and Dubas went, "hold my beer.."

 

[socko]

Going back and looking at Shanahan's words, I started laughing to myself. That's a fail Shanny.

“It’s not for everyone. But for the ones that will play here, that is what they want or that’s what we want from them and I think that’s what they want from each other.”

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Was it Shanny that said we're not going to be setting the market?

 

[socko]

Was it Shanny that said we're not going to be setting the market?

That was Dubas.

 

[Kiwi]

The players HAVE leverage though. The CBA affords them certain rights, namely the ability to refuse to sign a contract.that leverage increases the more high profile the player is - Matthews isn’t a regular NHLer, he’s a superstar, they get treated differently than say a guy like Kapanen.

Imagine Matthews, our 40 goal #1C, face of the franchise not signing and holding out like Nylander?

Yeah that **** can't happen, I'd argue he has almost all the leverage in a contract negotiation

 

[X66]

Of course I trust him.

People are way too simple minded on this topic, I don't understand why.

The Tavares contract, he turned down money to be here, and getting him at 11 million is pretty much the going rate for any franchise center that hits the UFA market.

The Nylander contract, his cap-hit percentage is lower than Pastrnak when he signed his deal and just slightly higher than Ehlers. No need for outrage.

Matthews' contract is no doubt high, but people are forgetting, he is literally the second most coveted piece in the entire NHL after McDavid. A bunch of teams would give him a max contract if ever given the chance. No team was getting Matthews under 10 million.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

I would way prefer 12.5 M over 8 vs 11.6 over 5 for Matty. That is a way better deal for the leafs than what we got.

We were laughing at all these other GM's and Dubas went, "hold my beer.."

Me too. I don't understand this whole Dubas had no choice defense. If the incompetent Chia can get the best player in the NHL to sign for much much less than his actual value (let's be real McDavid could realistically ask for 14-15M) either Matthews is a greedy dick compared to McDavid or Dubas caved too easily.