Do you think Dustin Brown is dirty? (MOD Warning in post #4)

[KingKopitar11*]

Arguing on the Sharks board made me realize that there is a lot of grey area whether brown is dirty or not.

So I just want to know what Kings fans think of our very own Dustin Brown.

Do you think he's dirty?

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[Ziggy Stardust]

Not dirty, he's reckless. Always looked sloppy and just as likely to hurt himself as he is likely to hurt an opponent.

 

[kingsholygrail]

After seeing all the times he just falls down in open ice I highly doubt it. People just get mad because his physicality can have consequences that are unintended.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Not dirty, he's reckless. Always looked sloppy and just as likely to hurt himself as he is likely to hurt an opponent.

Agreed, but it's also easy to argue that's dirty.

I don't think he's dirty from the sense that he goes out looking to hurt people, I just think he's always played on the edge since he's come into the league. Big hitters that hit a lot are going to piss people off no matter what. The only problem with Brown is imo that he's now been in the league long enough and had enough borderline incidents with at least one dirty (suspendable) play thrown in that he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from anyone on anything. It's no wonder that when his "history" gets thrown out there that 7 of the 9 clips are of plays that would be nothing if they were anyone else. Seriously, checking Roussel's stick into his face? Hitting Murray as he dove forward? Unfortunate, but not dirty.

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Edit: I also don't want to dismiss 'reckless' as if it's harmless. It may not be dirty by the malicious sense, but being a sloppy hitter obviously has bad implications, as well.

Side note for Kings fans, as well, just for some context outside of our board: the polls board rang up a ~75% in favor of DB being dirty, IIRC. can't find the link right now, though.

 

[DocWest]

It's amazing how the main boards vilify Brown where other players who have caused much more damage are hardly spoken of. People actually come to the defense of scum like Torres and Cooke while pieces of **** like Cory "let me spear your balls" Perry and Doan go completely unnoticed. Most of the hate stems from Brown effectively playing on the edge and being a bit reckless. This does lead to him making some idiotic decisions from time to time. However I don't believe for a second that they are premeditated and done with the intent to injure as the hive mind would have you believe. A lot of it comes from Brown being a boob. How many times does he fall down all by himself? A lot.

Brown is at his most effective when he's playing on the edge. He doesn't possess the skill to play the game the way stars like Kopitar and Carter do. One of the biggest reasons Brown has had a poor season is he has tried to change his game which has rendered him useless. I want 2012 Brown back and if other fans want to scream his name in anger over Rozsíval's coffin, let them. Because that would mean the Brown that played a huge role in winning our first Cup would be back

Oh, and Brown's history of embellishing is another reason why there is such hatred for him. However he hasn't been drawing penalties for about three seasons now. Instead, penalties go uncalled for him all the time do to his rep. But as everyone knows, there are lots of players in the league that embellish. I give you the DocWest Guarantee™ that we see Couture embellish throughout the series.

 

[Gliff]

As a Ducks fan I think at the very least he is reckless. You cant really know what a player's intentions are and I feel like the intentions are what would make it dirty.

ps, I'm not voting if it matters.

 

[lak4ever]

No and it's not even close.

 

[KingsKnight]

Reckless and plays on the edge. I just hope he's in the heads of the opponents as much as he's in the heads of the opponents' fans.

 

[BigBrown]

He dives, I'll readily admit that, but I don't really think he's dirty. He'll hit you and hit you hard, if you aren't bracing yourself for it you'll be leaving with an injury. He might have fell on a couple of goalies after being pushed into them but I don't think I've ever seen him run a goalie, board someone from behind or go after someone's leg (not even Hertl's).

If there is something you could point your finger to it's stuff like his reverse hit on Pominville that caught him with the elbow which gave him his one and only suspension, but that was more reckless than dirty. I know Blues fans love to point out a one angle-clip of him supposedly trying to elbow some guy in the playoffs but I'm not gonna change my opinion of a player for doing something that missed.

 

[Whiskeypete]

plays on the edge and reckless at times. combine this with not being the most agile on his feet and at times he gets himself into situations he can't avoid or correct

 

[Ron*]

He sure hasn't been reckless this season. He's been very careful.

I thought he got his edge back in the final game in the season, against Anaheim. Maybe the early goal gave him confidence. But he was hitting all over the ice after that, the same old Brown.

 

[lumbergh]

What's the functional difference between "reckless" and "dirty"?

 

[Albi]

He needs to take a shower.

 

[Little Psycho]

Wish the poll wasn't blocked to see all the non-kings fans who voted.

 

[Ollie Weeks]

Dirty is looking to hurt. Reckless is unintentionally hurting, either through playing with an edge or not thinking hits through. But Brown is usually a league-leader in hits, he knows what he can get away with and what he can't with a bodycheck better than anybody. He fits the reckless category far more than dirty.

I havent seen him selling plays anywhere near as much as previous season either.

 

[Telos]

Nah, he's never been dirty, just a clutz and he is reckless. He is not strong on his skates and was taught to skate hard through everything and keep his feet moving. He fearlessly and foolhardily runs around the ice into any situation. Just about all of the time when he goes down he is legitimately tripped or thrown off balance. He's just a winger that skates a little too hard if that is possible.

 

[YP44]

What's the functional difference between "reckless" and "dirty"?

For me I think it is intent

 

[Pucknut50]

Not dirty, he's reckless. Always looked sloppy and just as likely to hurt himself as he is likely to hurt an opponent.

Reckless is what you say if your a Kings fan - The rest of the fans would say Dirty.
They basically are the same thing.

 

[Pucknut50]

Dirty is looking to hurt. Reckless is unintentionally hurting, either through playing with an edge or not thinking hits through. But Brown is usually a league-leader in hits, he knows what he can get away with and what he can't with a bodycheck better than anybody. He fits the reckless category far more than dirty.

I havent seen him selling plays anywhere near as much as previous season either.

That is because Brown has reputation and the refs just swallow their whistles now when it comes to Brown.

 

[go4hockey]

He is just a hard nosed player not dirty at all. Hockey fans are just so soft now days Go back and watch games from the 70-80 and you can find dirty.

 

[YP44]

That is because Brown has reputation and the refs just swallow their whistles now when it comes to Brown.

This is untrue. If anything it is the other way

 

[Buddy The Elf]

Obviously it is semantics but to me, the difference between reckless and dirty would be malice. I don't think Brown is malicious. Defining his play as reckless has more to do with his control on his skates than anything. He isn't a very good skater but will skate at top speed and make hits at top speed. As someone else said, I think he is just as likely to hurt himself with his style of play than he is to hurt someone else. Like when he ran face first into the boards earlier this season after missing a hit or when he went into the corner at top speed and Hanzal (if I'm not mistaken?) smashed him face first into the dasher in the WCF in 2012.

Dirty implies malice and intent. Reckless implies carelessness and a disregard for your safety and the safety of others. Elbows, spears, slashes to the back of the leg or unpadded areas while the ref isn't looking are dirty plays.

 

[Bandit]

The guy has thrown how many hits in his career? 1000? Out of all those hits you can point to one or two that were definitely cheap, and maybe 3-4 more that are arguable (aka ZOMG Brown destroyed Rozival's knee!). With that track record, to consider him dirty is kind of a joke.

As an aside, why is the hits stat so hard to find? Don't see it anywhere on nhl.com

 

[HarrisonFord]

I think this is the kind of discussion that comes up anytime where you are talking about guys who "play on the edge". The difference between dirty and reckless/playing on the edge is intent. I don't see Brown as the kind of player who goes out to intentionally hurt anybody. He plays with the intent to get under his opponents skin, spark his team, and make life uncomfortable on his opponents. Anytime you walk the line like he does, you're going to inevitably step over the edge once in a while. But when he's on, he's a really effective player. I really liked watching him in the year you guys won the cup.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

As a Ducks fan I think at the very least he is reckless. You cant really know what a player's intentions are and I feel like the intentions are what would make it dirty.

ps, I'm not voting if it matters.

More than a fair take, thanks for being diplomatic

Agreed on the intentions part, and as others have said, it might be more semantics than anything, but 'dirty' to me implies intent.

Dirty:

Keep in mind that even before that play Hanzal was running around like a total dick trying to take off everyone's heads--was surprised he didn't take a 2 before this.

I'd say very little of what Brown does is premeditated outside of tying his skates.