Damn, his ability to see into the future must come in and out
Hopefully his cardboard box has wifi
Do you believe in Frederik Andersen? Would you re-sign?
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Damn, his ability to see into the future must come in and out
Hopefully his cardboard box has wifi
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Andersen has been fine this season: not amazing, not a disaster.
But at the moment I wouldn't bet on his return next year. It'll be curious to see what he gets in free agency. He may end up having to take just a 3 or 4 year deal.
If he comes back to Toronto I think at most it would be on a one year deal.
But at the moment I wouldn't bet on his return next year. It'll be curious to see what he gets in free agency. He may end up having to take just a 3 or 4 year deal.
If he comes back to Toronto I think at most it would be on a one year deal.
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I am not sure anyone would have given him more than a 3 or 4 year deal anyways. He'd be 31 and is far from an elite goalie.
At this point he is fighting to get more than a 2 year deal from someone and to not end up like Holtby.
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He's stolen us plenty of games.
I've never understood this logic like "he isn't the hotter hand" etc. Last playoffs his SV% was .936, he was fantastic. But the other goalies were even better so the answer is to get someone cheaper and what, you expect that next time we need a .960 SV% or whatever it is to win in the playoffs then they're gonna somehow get it done even if takes a .960 SV% because ... they're not Andersen?
I also don't get this "play to the level of the team in front of him", what does that even mean? A .936 SV% is phenomenal, how about we get the rest of the team to play up to his level, what do you think about that? And if you think Andersen plays to the level of the team in front of him, what's wrong with that? Don't we have a good team? Aren't you supposed to have a good team if you want to win the cup?
As far as taking his salary and whatever, you're talking about offseason stuff no? For now, he's our guy and let's support him. And whatever we do in the off-season, I hope the goal is to improve our goaltending, not get someone cheaper. If Andersen doesn't play well between now and then then likely we'll look elsewhere and if that's what happens, I hope we find someone better but if not, I'd rather have him back then someone who's likely to be worse. At a fair price of course.
Another thought - if I'm Dubas, I'm exploring avenues to get a new goalie now. Not sure who might be available but if there's a team with a good goalie that's not going to be in the playoffs, we have picks/prospects we can deal and as far as I'm concerned, if we can get the right guy then even Robertson and Sandin aren't untouchable. Goaltending is crucial and I'd pay a lot to get the right guy but if there's not a deal to be made, let's try to remember than Andersen might not be elite but he probably is the best goalie we've had since Belfour.
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Maybe two if we can't get anyone better. Also, goalies are voodoo, it's not out of the question that he plays better going forward, then plays OK in the first two rounds which should be enough to get us to the final 4 and then he kills it and we win the cup. If that were to happen then his stock goes way up and it would hard to say that 1/2 years is the max term you'd give him.
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Yeah I figured there for now especially coming off the losses but down the road, can't see why not give it a try
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Holtby.
Honestly I'm ready to let Freddy walk and grab a new goalie, I didn't think I would be but I trust Campbell, problem is his injuries. I actually think there could be some surprises on the market i.e. Lehner in the summer, so I'd trade for a new starter or platoon option.
Honestly I'm ready to let Freddy walk and grab a new goalie, I didn't think I would be but I trust Campbell, problem is his injuries. I actually think there could be some surprises on the market i.e. Lehner in the summer, so I'd trade for a new starter or platoon option.
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Over the last 2yrs, of the 31 goalies that have faced more than 1750 unblocked shot attempts....
...Fred ranks 20th in sv% in between Bernier and Smith.
...Fred ranks 23rd in dFSV% (difference between sv% and expected sv%) in between Gibson and Rittich).
...Fred ranks 20th in sv% in between Bernier and Smith.
...Fred ranks 23rd in dFSV% (difference between sv% and expected sv%) in between Gibson and Rittich).
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I like Freddie, but i dont know how much more of a sample size we need from this guy.
He hasn't outdueled anyone in a meaningful game since he got here. Andersen was the best quality goaltender this team has had in a long time, but were not just a middling team trying to make the playoffs anymore. The leafs need a goalie who wont be the weak link in a series now. I would look elsewhere.
And campbell isn't the answer. weather its a tandem or one solid guy, campbell needs to be able to put two games together.
He hasn't outdueled anyone in a meaningful game since he got here. Andersen was the best quality goaltender this team has had in a long time, but were not just a middling team trying to make the playoffs anymore. The leafs need a goalie who wont be the weak link in a series now. I would look elsewhere.
And campbell isn't the answer. weather its a tandem or one solid guy, campbell needs to be able to put two games together.
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The funny thing is I'm fine with Freddy fighting it out for starts and maybe winning that battle but for the life of I can't see why we'd just keep handing him the unquestioned full time starting gig and not letting Campbell have a legit shot at it.
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Problem with Campbell is he's just had no luck in the health department. If he had been healthy and able to jump in on every back to back and you could feel the momentum building game after game, the noticeable difference of the team's energy level in front of him, etc. we would have seen a legitimate bid for a platoon system. Then after a while, you could say Campbell's even better than Fred... but so far, 3 starts this season is just not enough to go on. I think he still has a bright future if he can be healthy.
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True, the other options we had for goaltending have struggled, and really Murray shouldn't have been looked at as a serious option to begin with. However both Markstrom and Lehner have performed well and backstopped teams to series wins in the post season, something Andersen has yet to do with the Leafs and hasn't done since 2015.
Every goalie having a stinker now and again is expected. But Freddy's bad performances stick out because A) he hasn't performed well in the playoffs, failing to rise to the occasion in big games, and B) his past two seasons of play have been below average of how a starter should perform. If Freddy had performed in the playoffs recently the poor regular season play wouldn't be a big deal, or if he was having a good season now we'd have a bit more faith in him.
In any case yeah replacing him will be tricky regardless. If he performs poorly again in the playoffs then performance wise he won't be brought back. But if he does do well in the playoffs and backstops the team to the Final Four or beyond, he'll probably be too expensive to keep.
I think it's time for us to move on. He's been stellar. He has provided steady goaltending just not great
As good as he can be during games, he still has tendencies to let in a soft one
It's unfortunate we don't have anyone in the pipeline from our prospects pool.
As good as he can be during games, he still has tendencies to let in a soft one
It's unfortunate we don't have anyone in the pipeline from our prospects pool.
I dont get Anderson several times a game, falling on his stomach like Reimer use to do. Its like a panic, desparate move. I dont like Anderson's body language after a goal. I do not trust him mentally to win a big game. I feel like if Campbell was in net last night, his positive spirit might have lifted the team up to a win.
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If we move on from Andersen two of the main targets I would be in support of would actually be one of Jonas Korpisalo or Elvis Merzlikins ahead of the expansion draft so there's a viable, cost effective solution staring at us.
Ever notice how the talking point surrounding Andersen's failures is "he couldn't have stopped that." And those goals up to the random softies he gives up and you have a goalie who is prone to giving up backbreaking goals. Winning in the playoffs isn't an easy task and guys like Potvin, Joseph and Belfour didn't win any cups for us but they provided that security and made saves they probably wouldn't have to give their teams a chance. With Andersen, every elimination game he's played in for us, he's been the one to cough it up.
I don't think we're likely to get a goalie in-season, so this is definitely a question for the offseason, where there's going to be an expansion draft which we can take advantage of. But as this thread is about re-signing him, my preference would be to not sign him.
I think Markstrom was the real big upgrade we could have pursued last year, though at the time I thought Lehner and Holtby could have been options too, but clearly not right now.
That said, if we don't keep Andersen, there are few avenues I would think of looking at: current platoon situations where a team might lose a goalie, like CBJ as I mentioned above, or Georgiev in New York. Keep in mind, this option would have been more attractive if Campbell was proving himself and playing more. Or maybe you get a salary retained M-A Fleury. Or maybe we check in on Anaheim's John Gibson who is signed very long term and see if we couldn't put together a big package to make a permanent upgrade in net.
I wouldn't bet on his return but I also don't see a better option, and no Jack Campbell is not a valid answer because he can't stay healthy he's played 1 game in close to 6 weeks
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Markstrom is the exact same mediocrity and his contract is the exact same mistake we have to avoid making with Fred.
Holtby has been horrendois for years now.
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